Kobe Bryant killed in Helicopter crash with daughter

Started by jeffandnicole, January 26, 2020, 04:21:17 PM

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Rothman

Quote from: Beltway on January 28, 2020, 12:50:42 AM
Quote from: US 89 on January 28, 2020, 12:27:59 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 27, 2020, 05:37:29 PM
The most recent news makes the crash sound like one where a pilot who was only good in VFR conditions wound up in IFR conditions. 
Based on what I'm seeing, this pilot was certified for IFR; the helicopter was operating under special visual flight rules (SVFR), which may only be requested by an instrument-rated pilot. SVRF allows a pilot to fly VFR in sub-VMC weather conditions as long as they stay out of clouds. However, it is worth noting that the weather conditions were poor enough that even LAPD had grounded their choppers for the morning.
Instrument Rating doesn't provide competency in and of itself, it takes repeated practice and experience in IMC to develop and maintain the skills.
Are you an instrument-rated pilot?
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Beltway

Quote from: Rothman on January 28, 2020, 12:04:43 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 28, 2020, 12:50:42 AM
Quote from: US 89 on January 28, 2020, 12:27:59 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 27, 2020, 05:37:29 PM
The most recent news makes the crash sound like one where a pilot who was only good in VFR conditions wound up in IFR conditions. 
Based on what I'm seeing, this pilot was certified for IFR; the helicopter was operating under special visual flight rules (SVFR), which may only be requested by an instrument-rated pilot. SVRF allows a pilot to fly VFR in sub-VMC weather conditions as long as they stay out of clouds. However, it is worth noting that the weather conditions were poor enough that even LAPD had grounded their choppers for the morning.
Instrument Rating doesn't provide competency in and of itself, it takes repeated practice and experience in IMC to develop and maintain the skills.
Are you an instrument-rated pilot?
No, but flying in general as well as flying in IMC is a perishable skill that takes regular usage to maintain proficiency.  There are many articles out there such as this one --

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2010/december/flight-training-magazine/confessions-of-an-instrument-pilot
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NTSB gives updated press conference on Kobe Bryant helicopter crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7nBquxOs0


Kobe Bryant helicopter accident flight path re-creation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSHpbGhy3Ko
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#28
In an aviation forum, they think that this is the helicopter.  S-76 built around 1991.  Big, expensive machine.  New ones in 2014 cost $13 million.



https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/sikorsky-s-76-helicopter.html


Sikorsky Statement on January 26, 2020, S-76B Accident in Calabasas, Calif.

We extend our sincerest condolences to all those affected by the January 26th Sikorsky S-76B accident in Calabasas, California. We have been in contact with the NTSB and stand ready to provide assistance and support to the investigative authorities and our customer.  Safety is our top priority; if there are any actionable findings from the investigation, we will inform our S-76 customers.


https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2020-01-26-Sikorsky-Statement-on-January-26-2020-S-76B-Accident-in-Calabasas-Calif?_ga=2.156225656.217408755.1580265159-230008821.1541736965


The Sikorsky S-76 is an American medium-size commercial utility helicopter, manufactured by the Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation.  The S-76 features twin turboshaft engines, four-bladed main and tail rotors and retractable landing gear.
Cruise speed: 155 kn (178 mph, 287 km/h) maximum cruise speed is the same as maximum speed
Range: 411 nmi (473 mi, 761 km) no reserves, at long-range cruise speed at 4,000 ft altitude
Service ceiling: 13,800 ft (4,200 m)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-76

Crew of two and up to 13 passengers.
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PHLBOS

Quote from: 1995hoo on January 27, 2020, 12:46:28 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 27, 2020, 09:36:53 AM
Given that he was a Philly native & attended/graduated from Lower Merion High School, a Main Line suburb west of the city; there was always a bit of a love-hate relationship with him with respect to Philadelphia sports fans.  They loved him for his playing abilities & talent, as they should; but always hated the fact that he played for the Lakers, which beat the 76ers in the 2001 Championship series.  They viewed him as somewhat of a turncoat when he first signed on with the Lakers.

This is somewhat dumb. The 76ers had the first pick in the draft that year and could have chosen Bryant. Instead, they took Allen Iverson; at the time, it was hard to quibble with that selection. By the time the 76ers picked again in the second round, Bryant was gone (the Hornets took him 13th and traded him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac). I suppose he could have gone to college instead of signing with the Lakers, but really, if you decide to go pro straight out of high school and the Lakers, of all franchises, are the ones who want you, who wouldn't sign with them?!!!
Understood, but many (not all) Philly sports fans don't always think rationally when it comes to the above-circumstances.  If they were in Kobe's shoes at the time; they probably would've done similarly.
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bing101

TNT did a Special on Kobe Bryant's death where NBA Pundits talk about how they first heard of Kobe's death and his legacy.





roadman

Quote from: bing101 on January 30, 2020, 09:16:59 AM
TNT did a Special on Kobe Bryant's death where NBA Pundits talk about how they first heard of Kobe's death and his legacy.






The morning after the news broke, out local newsradio station was interviewing people and asking the question "Where were you when you heard about Kobe Bryant's death?"  Struck me as both tacky and disrespectful, especially so soon after the tragedy.
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hbelkins

Quote from: thspfc on January 26, 2020, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 26, 2020, 08:32:53 PM
He had controversies during his career including accusations of sexual assault. https://www.businessinsider.com/kobe-bryant-nba-career-controversies-off-the-court-2020-1
This is the most classless thing I've ever seen on this forum. The man just died abruptly in an accident that he had no control over. And you come in to this thread and post that. Yikes.

It's not classless, and it's certainly a relevant counterpoint to all of this hero-worship that's going on now. Any objective obituary or recap of his life will include this information as well as all of his basketball recognition. It's kinda like mentioning Nixon's death without bringing up Watergate.


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mrsman

There is talk of possibly naming a street the Los Angeles area after Kobe Bryant.  Very likely it'll be somewhere near Staples center.  As an LA native and a road geek I could hypothesize which street should be  named for him.  Several options.  My favorite is Georgia Street which is a small Street near the arena and basically fronted by some of the LA live theaters.  Another possibility would be to rename LA live way which was only renamed from Cherry Street a couple years ago.  There is a small alleyway between Figueroa and flower name the Lebanon Street that has a Kobe Bryant mural on it. 

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kevinb1994

Quote from: mrsman on January 30, 2020, 11:35:57 PM
There is talk of possibly naming a street the Los Angeles area after Kobe Bryant.  Very likely it'll be somewhere near Staples center.  As an LA native and a road geek I could hypothesize which street should be  named for him.  Several options.  My favorite is Georgia Street which is a small Street near the arena and basically fronted by some of the LA live theaters.  Another possibility would be to rename LA live way which was only renamed from Cherry Street a couple years ago.  There is a small alleyway between Figueroa and flower name the Lebanon Street that has a Kobe Bryant mural on it. 

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I'd rather have a street in or near Philly named after the Bryant family or even a piece of parkland...unless having some proximity to Bryant Park in Midtown Manhattan would make this idea kind of a moot one.

mrsman

No reason both cities can't have a Kobe Bryant way.

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PHLBOS

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Quote from: kevinb1994 on January 31, 2020, 01:35:38 AMI''d rather have a street in or near Philly named after the Bryant family or even a piece of parkland...unless having some proximity to Bryant Park in Midtown Manhattan would make this idea kind of a moot one.
FWIW, well prior to Kobe's death; his high school alma-matter, Lower Merion (Township), named their gymnasium after him.

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hbelkins

Quote from: bing101 on January 31, 2020, 11:16:06 PM
https://abc7.com/congress-to-consider-helicopter-safety-act-after-kobe-crash/5894224/


Now there are talks to reform helicopter safety in response to Kobe Bryant's death.

Given the fact that it was incredibly foggy, I'm going to guess that this ends up being attributed to pilot error.


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Beltway

Quote from: hbelkins on February 01, 2020, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: bing101 on January 31, 2020, 11:16:06 PM
https://abc7.com/congress-to-consider-helicopter-safety-act-after-kobe-crash/5894224/
Now there are talks to reform helicopter safety in response to Kobe Bryant's death.
Given the fact that it was incredibly foggy, I'm going to guess that this ends up being attributed to pilot error.
The NTSB will make their final determination which will be in 6 months or more, but the prevailing theory at this point is improper transition from VFR to IMC.

That is on the pilot and not on the aircraft.

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US71

Quote from: Beltway on February 01, 2020, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 01, 2020, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: bing101 on January 31, 2020, 11:16:06 PM
https://abc7.com/congress-to-consider-helicopter-safety-act-after-kobe-crash/5894224/
Now there are talks to reform helicopter safety in response to Kobe Bryant's death.
Given the fact that it was incredibly foggy, I'm going to guess that this ends up being attributed to pilot error.
The NTSB will make their final determination which will be in 6 months or more, but the prevailing theory at this point is improper transition from VFR to IMC.

That is on the pilot and not on the aircraft.


Most of the "armchair" experts have already decided it's the pilot's fault. FWIW
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Beltway

Quote from: US71 on February 01, 2020, 08:39:31 PM
Most of the "armchair" experts have already decided it's the pilot's fault. FWIW

I posted 4 videos from aviation professionals that gave preliminary analysis.  FWIW.
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Beltway

An aviation disaster investigation is a developing process, usually there are facts known from the outset, and other facts that are determined along the way.  The NTSB investigation normally takes between 6 and 12 months to make final determination of a cause.

You can search online and see what is being written about the causes and investigation.  Sources produced by aviation professionals and experienced pilots are good sources.  Some facts may be unknown or may be in dispute at the early stages.

You and search on a statement such as this and find many articles and videos, and then decide for yourself what you believe --

What are the facts in the Kobe helicopter crash?
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The NTSB is currently holding a press conference regarding the crash. The official cause was listed as spatial disorientation due to bad weather, resulting in CFIT.
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