2023 College Football Season

[nexus73]

Oregon State 30  Florida 3

At least the Pac-12 will not have an 0-fer and the SEC will not win them all!

[Henry]

Just suffered a gut punch at the end of the Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl, with UCLA losing to Pittsburgh on a late field goal and an intercepted Hail Mary, 37-35.

[ran4sh]

I think the defending national champions will at least make it back to the CFP final game.

Go Dawgs!

[amroad17]

Nothing like good defensive games played in the National Semifi----oh, I'm sorry.  It kind of reminded me of Arena Football or 7-on-7 practice.  I saw Princeton Tigers basketball game scores lower than these two games--when they had Pete Carril coaching there.

Don't get me wrong, I do like the occasional high scoring game, like 47-45 (Hail Flutie!).  However, with Georgia and Michigan giving up 12.8 ppg and 13.4 ppg respectively going into the National Semifinal games, one would have expected scores like 24-23 or 33-27, not 42-41 and 51-45.  But, that is the way College Football is going nowadays.

[NWI_Irish96]

Wake Forest and ACC career TD pass leader Sam Hartman is transferring to Notre Dame as a grad transfer.

[gonealookin]

There haven't been many worse obliterations in championship games than Georgia's 65-7 thrashing of TCU.  I guess famously the Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskins 73-0 in the NFL championship game in 1940.  That game was "only" 28-0 at halftime; Georgia had a 38-7 lead at halftime tonight.

[amroad17]

There haven't been many worse obliterations in championship games than Georgia's 65-7 thrashing of TCU.  I guess famously the Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskins 73-0 in the NFL championship game in 1940.  That game was "only" 28-0 at halftime; Georgia had a 38-7 lead at halftime tonight.

Kent State and Auburn played Georgia better than TCU did.

Another two "obliterations" in championship games, though not to the extent of Georgia's, were San Francisco defeating Denver 55-10 in Super Bowl XXIV and Washington defeating Denver 42-10 after spotting them a 10-0 lead before scoring 35 points in the second quarter of Super Bowl XXII.

[Ted$8roadFan]

I wonder how the Michigan Wolverines feel about last night.

[ET21]

Only reason I watched until the end of the 3rd was for the new Ant Man trailer 

Once they picked off TCU just before halftime and got the ball back first in the 2nd half I knew it was over

[Billy F 1988]

Boy, I just took a glance at the box score for the Georgia-Michigan game. I'd attribute the 34-11 score more for Michigan's hilarious meltdown than Georgia dominating them for most of the contest. You can pretty much tell that once Georgia went past two touchdowns, there wasn't any comeback to be had. Gonna be a long, blue off-season for the Wolverines for sure.

[NWI_Irish96]

Colorado and Arizona are moving to the Big 12.

Washington and Oregon are moving to the Big 10.

The PAC-12 is effectively dead.

[Big John]

^^ PAC 6?

[NWI_Irish96]

^^ PAC 6?

My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.

[1995hoo]

^^ PAC 6?

My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.

Assuming for discussion purposes that happens, the school that has to feel the most satisfied about the way everything shook out might well be BYU. When the Pac-10 was looking to expand, BYU was interested, but the Pac-10 wouldn't give them the time of day (motivated mostly by general West Coast liberalism wanting nothing to do with a conservative religious institution, with the University of California—Berkeley by all accounts being the most vocal about it). BYU's landed in the Big 12, the Pac-12 is falling apart, and the institution that was the most vocal about excluding BYU lands in the Mountain West, the conference BYU left?

[CtrlAltDel]

^^ PAC 6?

My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.

Assuming for discussion purposes that happens, the school that has to feel the most satisfied about the way everything shook out might well be BYU. When the Pac-10 was looking to expand, BYU was interested, but the Pac-10 wouldn't give them the time of day (motivated mostly by general West Coast liberalism wanting nothing to do with a conservative religious institution, with the University of California—Berkeley by all accounts being the most vocal about it). BYU's landed in the Big 12, the Pac-12 is falling apart, and the institution that was the most vocal about excluding BYU lands in the Mountain West, the conference BYU left?

Possibly, but the rumor is that Cal (and Stanford) are looking into joining the Big Ten as well.

[1995hoo]

^^ PAC 6?

My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.

Assuming for discussion purposes that happens, the school that has to feel the most satisfied about the way everything shook out might well be BYU. When the Pac-10 was looking to expand, BYU was interested, but the Pac-10 wouldn't give them the time of day (motivated mostly by general West Coast liberalism wanting nothing to do with a conservative religious institution, with the University of California—Berkeley by all accounts being the most vocal about it). BYU's landed in the Big 12, the Pac-12 is falling apart, and the institution that was the most vocal about excluding BYU lands in the Mountain West, the conference BYU left?

Possibly, but the rumor is that Cal (and Stanford) are looking into joining the Big Ten as well.

There is such a rumor, but if you re-read the first six words of my comment you'll see I was addressing a specific scenario posted by NWI_Irish96.

[DTComposer]

^^ PAC 6?

My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.

PAC 4 or 5 - Arizona State will likely follow Arizona, and I wouldn't be surprised if Utah does as well. Cal and Stanford are still holding out hope that the Big 10 offers them a spot at reduced revenue - the Big 10 presidents are supposedly in favor, as they bring excellence in academics and non-revenue sports, plus a top media market and a large alumni base in the Bay Area. Fox and ESPN only care about eyeballs and dollars, and with football and basketball struggling at both schools, it's not clear how that might play out. OSU and WSU would fit well in the MWC.

Ultimately this was a failure of Pac-12 leadership to get ahead of both conference expansion and television deals. They had the chance to add Texas and Oklahoma (and maybe others) in 2010, but let it slip away, getting only Colorado and Utah. Once USC and UCLA announced last year that they were leaving, Pac-12 leadership should have done anything and everything to replace their marquee programs and get any sort of television deal nailed down. Instead, they twiddled their thumbs, worrying that San Diego State would somehow lower their academic bar while ignoring that it's now a regular top-20 program in both football and basketball.

As long as the NFL doesn't have a bona fide minor/developmental league like the other big sports, college football will continue down the path of chasing the dollar and drift further away from the concept of the student-athlete.

[CtrlAltDel]

^^ PAC 6?

My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.

Assuming for discussion purposes that happens, the school that has to feel the most satisfied about the way everything shook out might well be BYU. When the Pac-10 was looking to expand, BYU was interested, but the Pac-10 wouldn't give them the time of day (motivated mostly by general West Coast liberalism wanting nothing to do with a conservative religious institution, with the University of California—Berkeley by all accounts being the most vocal about it). BYU's landed in the Big 12, the Pac-12 is falling apart, and the institution that was the most vocal about excluding BYU lands in the Mountain West, the conference BYU left?

Possibly, but the rumor is that Cal (and Stanford) are looking into joining the Big Ten as well.

There is such a rumor, but if you re-read the first six words of my comment you'll see I was addressing a specific scenario posted by NWI_Irish96.

Of course, I was just pointing out some information that hadn't yet been presented in the thread. My apologies for ruffling your feathers.

[1995hoo]

No worries. I thought you were correcting me and I just wanted to point out the particular context of what I was saying.

[Big John]

Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.

[Big John]

Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.

and the Big XII schools unanimously accepted them.  Now the Pac 4.

[brad2971]

Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.

and the Big XII schools unanimously accepted them.  Now the Pac 4.

Much like what has happened with Bud Light, business schools across this nation are going to be giving advanced courses in how the (soon-to-be-killed) Pac-12 conference killed its brand and mismanaged its business. BTW, if I'm the commissioner of the Mountain West conference, I wouldn't be so quick to invite Cal-Berkeley and Stanford.

[The Nature Boy]

^^ PAC 6?

My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.

PAC 4 or 5 - Arizona State will likely follow Arizona, and I wouldn't be surprised if Utah does as well. Cal and Stanford are still holding out hope that the Big 10 offers them a spot at reduced revenue - the Big 10 presidents are supposedly in favor, as they bring excellence in academics and non-revenue sports, plus a top media market and a large alumni base in the Bay Area. Fox and ESPN only care about eyeballs and dollars, and with football and basketball struggling at both schools, it's not clear how that might play out. OSU and WSU would fit well in the MWC.

Ultimately this was a failure of Pac-12 leadership to get ahead of both conference expansion and television deals. They had the chance to add Texas and Oklahoma (and maybe others) in 2010, but let it slip away, getting only Colorado and Utah. Once USC and UCLA announced last year that they were leaving, Pac-12 leadership should have done anything and everything to replace their marquee programs and get any sort of television deal nailed down. Instead, they twiddled their thumbs, worrying that San Diego State would somehow lower their academic bar while ignoring that it's now a regular top-20 program in both football and basketball.

As long as the NFL doesn't have a bona fide minor/developmental league like the other big sports, college football will continue down the path of chasing the dollar and drift further away from the concept of the student-athlete.

I kind of wish the NFL would embrace the XFL in that role and encourage top performing high school athletes to join the XFL to prep for the NFL. I don't know how successful that would be though. The NBA allows people to play in the G-League out of high school but the big recruits are still going to college (albeit usually in a one and done capacity).

[KeithE4Phx]

Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.

and the Big XII schools unanimously accepted them.  Now the Pac 4.

Cal and Stanford may yet join the Big Ten.  Academically, they're the most qualified of all the (soon to be defunct) Pac-12 schools.  In the Big Ten, that matters as much as athletics.

What happens to Oregon State and Washington State is anybody's guess.  From what I read, they were trying to save the Pac-12, but now that it's the Pac-4, and maybe the Pac-2, that will be impossible.  Join the Mountain West?  I won't rule it out.

[brad2971]

Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.

and the Big XII schools unanimously accepted them.  Now the Pac 4.

Cal and Stanford may yet join the Big Ten.  Academically, they're the most qualified of all the (soon to be defunct) Pac-12 schools.  In the Big Ten, that matters as much as athletics.

What happens to Oregon State and Washington State is anybody's guess.  From what I read, they were trying to save the Pac-12, but now that it's the Pac-4, and maybe the Pac-2, that will be impossible.  Join the Mountain West?  I won't rule it out.

Instead of chasing a media marketing deal that the Big 10 offers that may blow up in people's faces in 10 years, if I were Cal-Berkeley and Stanford, I'd stay independent in football and join the West Coast Conference for all other sports. In doing so, Gonzaga would get better competition for their men's and women's basketball teams, and Cal+Stanford would keep to their own West Coast insular culture.