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Started by TBKS1, January 08, 2023, 09:38:55 PM

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TBKS1

No idea if there's already a thread for this but if there isn't, might as well start one here.

This is a thread about unsigned or mostly unsigned highways, but signage can be found directly tied to the unsigned route. Whether that would be on mile markers, street blades or even rare signage of the route itself.

One example that I have is Tennessee state highway 6, which is almost completely unsigned but signage can still be found on mileposts along US 31E in East Nashville.

I take pictures of road signs, that's about it.

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Max Rockatansky

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All unsigned in California aside from Postmile references:

CA 222:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/07/california-state-route-222-unsigned.html?m=1

CA 283:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/07/california-state-route-283-former-us.html?m=1

CA 275:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2018/12/highways-in-and-around-old-sacramento.html?m=1

CA 114:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2018/06/california-state-route-114.html?m=1

CA 109:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2018/06/california-state-route-109.html?m=1

In general it is close to impossible to totally obscure a state route given Postmiles are used.  I'm not sure what the point of not signing State Highways would be outside of CA 275 which just consists of the Tower Bridge.  I-10S on the San Bernardino Freeway between US 101 and I-5 might also fit as a hidden route that is referenced with only Postmiles.

Strangely CA 77 has no guide signage from I-880 but has a crap ton of reassurance shields on it's half mile constructed routing.  Some routes are almost totally hidden aside from guide sign shields such as CA 185, CA 213 and CA 238.

CA 211 and CA 259 were also on this list until recent reassurance shield installations.  CA 51 is kind of hidden given it is signed as I-80BL.  I-305 isn't recognized by the state of California but exists as an FHWA designation on US 50 from I-80 east to CA 99/CA 51.  For some reason CA 260 is signed as CA 61 despite it being a totally separate state highway.  CA 153 has only a single shield and in theory could become unsigned at any time.

Some unconstructed State Highways like CA 93 have references.  In the case of CA 93 it is referenced as Contra Costa County 93 on Callboxes along Richmond Parkway. 

hbelkins

All mileposts on US routes in Tennessee show the secret state highway number.


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hotdogPi

New York has been known to post reference routes as if they were actual shields. While this one is on a milepost and not a standalone shield, it's also, well, see for yourself: (photo by formulanone)

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Takumi

I think the only time VA 420 has ever been posted was on some temporary construction signs a few years ago.
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Check out this list of Illinois's "secret state highways", listed on Bill Burmaster's site. These mile markers, consisting of a white square with a green circle on it, are used sparingly throughout Illinois. They sometimes reveal an otherwise unmarked route maintained by the state. I used to get a kick out of discovering them by accident- it felt like uncovering a secret every time I found one.

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Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2023, 11:48:38 AM
All mileposts on US routes in Tennessee show the secret state highway number.

I think the only hidden one I haven't seen mileposts for was TN 389 in Chattanooga, but maybe I wasn't looking close enough.

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Takumi on January 09, 2023, 12:39:31 PM
I think the only time VA 420 has ever been posted was on some temporary construction signs a few years ago.

I've seen a few of the VA 3xx routes on construction signage. There were a ton of VA 302 signs around the UVA campus about 10 years ago. Of course, none of them remain.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 08, 2023, 09:47:57 PM
Strangely CA 77 has no guide signage from I-880 but has a crap ton of reassurance shields on it's half mile constructed routing.  Some routes are almost totally hidden aside from guide sign shields such as CA 185, CA 213 and CA 238.


IIRC isn't some of the portion of Mission Boulevard that is 238 but has few reassurance signs...a section that is now maintained by the city of Fremont instead?  Not 100% sure.

One route that has some reassurance shields but no references on the intersecting freeways is former Business US 40 along San Pablo Avenue, the current Route 123 from Oakland through Berkeley to Richmond.

Route 221 in the Napa area is one where I don't think there are any reassurance signs for the road along its length, but it is signed right at the two major junctions.

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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: TheStranger on January 10, 2023, 05:01:32 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 08, 2023, 09:47:57 PM
Strangely CA 77 has no guide signage from I-880 but has a crap ton of reassurance shields on it's half mile constructed routing.  Some routes are almost totally hidden aside from guide sign shields such as CA 185, CA 213 and CA 238.


IIRC isn't some of the portion of Mission Boulevard that is 238 but has few reassurance signs...a section that is now maintained by the city of Fremont instead?  Not 100% sure.

One route that has some reassurance shields but no references on the intersecting freeways is former Business US 40 along San Pablo Avenue, the current Route 123 from Oakland through Berkeley to Richmond.

Route 221 in the Napa area is one where I don't think there are any reassurance signs for the road along its length, but it is signed right at the two major junctions.

Regarding 123 I did find this a couple years ago:

https://flic.kr/p/2dHBnFo

Hunty2022

VA-388 has a very small reference at it's east end on VA-20, I haven't been on the route, so I don't know if there's more signage.
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Quote from: Hunty2022 on January 10, 2023, 11:08:59 AM
VA-388 has a very small reference at it's east end on VA-20, I haven't been on the route, so I don't know if there's more signage.

It wasn't posted anywhere else last time I was in the area, but that was a few years ago.

Interestingly, there is a posting for VA 317 just up the road, but that road is permanently closed.
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WVDOH used to post some odd long rectangular stationing signage in seemingly random places, with information about the route number at the top of the signs.  At one time, I'm pretty sure that there were several of these posted on the old Montgomery Bridge (unposted WV-6) with a reference to the hidden route number.  I haven't any of these in many years, nor can I find any remaining on West Virginia hidden routes.

Bickendan

Every Oregon Highway where a bridge of any sort is involved, per the ODOT bridge inventory sign.

6a

I'm not about to stop on this ramp for a real pic, lol. SR 315C in Columbus. It's not signed in any other way, and I don't even know why it exists as such in the first place.

LilianaUwU

I would say NY 990V, but that one's completely signed, no half-ass about it.
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RobbieL2415

Did/does the NJTP have any reference marker that say NJ 700?

jt4

Quote from: 6a on January 10, 2023, 05:22:45 PM
I'm not about to stop on this ramp for a real pic, lol. SR 315C in Columbus. It's not signed in any other way, and I don't even know why it exists as such in the first place.

It seems like a designation for Goodale Blvd from the 670 ramp to Olentangy River Rd. Not sure how those signs are typically numbered on ramps, but to me it seems strange they didn't mark it 315.

https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/static/Programs/TechServices/SLD/SR/0315C/SFRASR00315C.pdf


Bitmapped

Quote from: jt4 on January 12, 2023, 03:23:10 PM
Quote from: 6a on January 10, 2023, 05:22:45 PM
I'm not about to stop on this ramp for a real pic, lol. SR 315C in Columbus. It's not signed in any other way, and I don't even know why it exists as such in the first place.

It seems like a designation for Goodale Blvd from the 670 ramp to Olentangy River Rd. Not sure how those signs are typically numbered on ramps, but to me it seems strange they didn't mark it 315.

https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/static/Programs/TechServices/SLD/SR/0315C/SFRASR00315C.pdf


This isn't a ramp, it's a bridge on Goodale Avenue. Since it's not on mainline SR 315, over mainline SR 315, or a ramp from SR 315, it's not going to be signed as SR 315.

Honestly, I'm not sure why ODOT maintains this at all. All of the movements between I-670 and SR 315 are served by other ramps, and even there were missing movements, it's not uncommon for them to involve roads owned by counties or municipalities.

NE2

Quote from: Bitmapped on January 12, 2023, 06:22:09 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure why ODOT maintains this at all. All of the movements between I-670 and SR 315 are served by other ramps, and even there were missing movements, it's not uncommon for them to involve roads owned by counties or municipalities.
It's a remnant of the old configuration, when you used Goodale to get from 670 west to 315 north and 315 south to 670 east.
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Quote from: 1 on January 09, 2023, 11:50:11 AM
New York has been known to post reference routes as if they were actual shields. While this one is on a milepost and not a standalone shield, it's also, well, see for yourself: (photo by formulanone)



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