Minor football leagues

[Poiponen13]

Many minor football leagues could be founded in the future. The leagues would have promotion and relegation and have as many as 20 teams with 38 games. The leadues would play in spring.

[Max Rockatansky]

Which football?

[jeffandnicole]

XFL and USFL are basically that.

[Roadgeekteen]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

[Poiponen13]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

Will happen!

[hotdogPi]

I've mentioned before that markets aren't a problem. (This quote is from another thread.)

I wish that there was pro-rel system here in North America so that there would be worthy second and lower divisions.  I was just positing the likely thing in the top division.  I suspect that those relegation games in the last few weeks of the season would have been seriously interesting and entertaining, too (especially if fans were allowed to attend those games as normal).  As for where the hypothetical 'promotions' would have gone, I would put the geographically farthest west promoting team into the western conference, the geographically farthest east promoting team into the eastern conference and the team that was geographically in the middle into the conference that sent down the wild card, where they would all remain for their tenure in MLS.

Mike

Big market teams make too much of the MLS revenue from both TV and ticket sales, so there's no chance they expose Chicago, for example, to potential relegation.

If, e.g.  Frederick MD becomes a top tier team, it can be a Baltimore/DC market. Xenia, OH? Cincinnati, Dayton, and Columbus. Hell, MI? Detroit fans will root for them. Weed, CA? There's a decent chance that Sacramento and Reno will root for Weed, even if the Bay Area doesn't. And this doesn't even include close suburbs that are closer to their main city than Gillette Stadium is to Boston (20 miles), which will probably be much more common than small towns.

[Poiponen13]

I've mentioned before that markets aren't a problem. (This quote is from another thread.)

I wish that there was pro-rel system here in North America so that there would be worthy second and lower divisions.  I was just positing the likely thing in the top division.  I suspect that those relegation games in the last few weeks of the season would have been seriously interesting and entertaining, too (especially if fans were allowed to attend those games as normal).  As for where the hypothetical 'promotions' would have gone, I would put the geographically farthest west promoting team into the western conference, the geographically farthest east promoting team into the eastern conference and the team that was geographically in the middle into the conference that sent down the wild card, where they would all remain for their tenure in MLS.

Mike

Big market teams make too much of the MLS revenue from both TV and ticket sales, so there's no chance they expose Chicago, for example, to potential relegation.

If, e.g.  Frederick MD becomes a top tier team, it can be a Baltimore/DC market. Xenia, OH? Cincinnati, Dayton, and Columbus. Hell, MI? Detroit fans will root for them. Weed, CA? There's a decent chance that Sacramento and Reno will root for Weed, even if the Bay Area doesn't. And this doesn't even include close suburbs that are closer to their main city than Gillette Stadium is to Boston (20 miles), which will probably be much more common than small towns.

Promotion and relegation are then good to implement. Would be nice to see. e.g. Frederick, MD and Ocala, FL in top flight.

[Max Rockatansky]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

The closest a major American sport ever got to this was NASCAR (which definitely doesn't have the footprint it once had) a couple decades back.  The more traditional contact sports consist of Billion Dollar franchises with ownership groups that would never agree to such a system.  Sure, hypothetically it could happen in some sort of out of sight minor league that nobody really cares about.

[hotdogPi]

ownership groups that would never agree to such a system

I could see some (but not all) of them agreeing if there are fewer than the current number in the top league. 1 out of 20, for example, is less competition than 1 out of the current 30 or 32.

EDIT: To clarify, the ones saying yes are those that expect to stay at the top and therefore face less competition, having a greater chance of winning the season.

[Roadgeekteen]

ownership groups that would never agree to such a system

I could see some (but not all) of them agreeing if there are fewer than the current number in the top league. 1 out of 20, for example, is less competition than 1 out of the current 30 or 32.

Owners protect their own. You get 5 yes votes max.

[Poiponen13]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

The closest a major American sport ever got to this was NASCAR (which definitely doesn't have the footprint it once had) a couple decades back.  The more traditional contact sports consist of Billion Dollar franchises with ownership groups that would never agree to such a system.  Sure, hypothetically it could happen in some sort of out of sight minor league that nobody really cares about.

In minor leagues promotion and relegation would work. CFL would have one relegation place every three years.

[Roadgeekteen]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

The closest a major American sport ever got to this was NASCAR (which definitely doesn't have the footprint it once had) a couple decades back.  The more traditional contact sports consist of Billion Dollar franchises with ownership groups that would never agree to such a system.  Sure, hypothetically it could happen in some sort of out of sight minor league that nobody really cares about.

In minor leagues promotion and relegation would work. CFL would have one relegation place every three years.

You have been told multiple times why promotion and relegation will never happen in US pro sports, at least not in the major leagues like NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL. This ain't Finland.

[1995hoo]

Even if promotion and relegation existed, the CFL wouldn't have it with any other league because Canadian football is not the same sport as American football. The rules are different. Some of the differences are slightly subtle, others are very significant. There are reasons why some players who initially don't succeed in the NFL then have outstanding careers in Canada (Doug Flutie being perhaps the best-known example).

[Poiponen13]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

The closest a major American sport ever got to this was NASCAR (which definitely doesn't have the footprint it once had) a couple decades back.  The more traditional contact sports consist of Billion Dollar franchises with ownership groups that would never agree to such a system.  Sure, hypothetically it could happen in some sort of out of sight minor league that nobody really cares about.

In minor leagues promotion and relegation would work. CFL would have one relegation place every three years.

You have been told multiple times why promotion and relegation will never happen in US pro sports, at least not in the major leagues like NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL. This ain't Finland.

In minor leagues. This would be good.

[Roadgeekteen]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

The closest a major American sport ever got to this was NASCAR (which definitely doesn't have the footprint it once had) a couple decades back.  The more traditional contact sports consist of Billion Dollar franchises with ownership groups that would never agree to such a system.  Sure, hypothetically it could happen in some sort of out of sight minor league that nobody really cares about.

In minor leagues promotion and relegation would work. CFL would have one relegation place every three years.

You have been told multiple times why promotion and relegation will never happen in US pro sports, at least not in the major leagues like NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL. This ain't Finland.

In minor leagues. This would be good.

The CFL isn't a minor league.

[Poiponen13]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

The closest a major American sport ever got to this was NASCAR (which definitely doesn't have the footprint it once had) a couple decades back.  The more traditional contact sports consist of Billion Dollar franchises with ownership groups that would never agree to such a system.  Sure, hypothetically it could happen in some sort of out of sight minor league that nobody really cares about.

In minor leagues promotion and relegation would work. CFL would have one relegation place every three years.

You have been told multiple times why promotion and relegation will never happen in US pro sports, at least not in the major leagues like NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL. This ain't Finland.

In minor leagues. This would be good.

The CFL isn't a minor league.

Not in CFL, but in proposed minor football leagues, MiLB, AHL, ECHL and USL.

[Roadgeekteen]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

The closest a major American sport ever got to this was NASCAR (which definitely doesn't have the footprint it once had) a couple decades back.  The more traditional contact sports consist of Billion Dollar franchises with ownership groups that would never agree to such a system.  Sure, hypothetically it could happen in some sort of out of sight minor league that nobody really cares about.

In minor leagues promotion and relegation would work. CFL would have one relegation place every three years.

You have been told multiple times why promotion and relegation will never happen in US pro sports, at least not in the major leagues like NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL. This ain't Finland.

In minor leagues. This would be good.

The CFL isn't a minor league.

Not in CFL, but in proposed minor football leagues, MiLB, AHL, ECHL and USL.

MiLB teams are owned by MLB teams to be farm teams for prospects. It would not work to demote the Pirates to AAA and promote the Pirates farm team to the MLB.

[Poiponen13]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

The closest a major American sport ever got to this was NASCAR (which definitely doesn't have the footprint it once had) a couple decades back.  The more traditional contact sports consist of Billion Dollar franchises with ownership groups that would never agree to such a system.  Sure, hypothetically it could happen in some sort of out of sight minor league that nobody really cares about.

In minor leagues promotion and relegation would work. CFL would have one relegation place every three years.

You have been told multiple times why promotion and relegation will never happen in US pro sports, at least not in the major leagues like NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL. This ain't Finland.

In minor leagues. This would be good.

The CFL isn't a minor league.

Not in CFL, but in proposed minor football leagues, MiLB, AHL, ECHL and USL.

MiLB teams are owned by MLB teams to be farm teams for prospects. It would not work to demote the Pirates to AAA and promote the Pirates farm team to the MLB.

They would work inside MiLB, between AAA and AA, between AA and High-A, and High-A and Low-A.

[GaryV]

Promotion and relegation will never happen in North American sports.

The closest a major American sport ever got to this was NASCAR (which definitely doesn't have the footprint it once had) a couple decades back.  The more traditional contact sports consist of Billion Dollar franchises with ownership groups that would never agree to such a system.  Sure, hypothetically it could happen in some sort of out of sight minor league that nobody really cares about.

In minor leagues promotion and relegation would work. CFL would have one relegation place every three years.

You have been told multiple times why promotion and relegation will never happen in US pro sports, at least not in the major leagues like NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL. This ain't Finland.

In minor leagues. This would be good.

The CFL isn't a minor league.

Not in CFL, but in proposed minor football leagues, MiLB, AHL, ECHL and USL.

MiLB teams are owned by MLB teams to be farm teams for prospects. It would not work to demote the Pirates to AAA and promote the Pirates farm team to the MLB.

They would work inside MiLB, between AAA and AA, between AA and High-A, and High-A and Low-A.

Sez who? [citation needed]

[triplemultiplex]

Minor league football should replace college football.  Each pro team has a couple of 'farm teams' around the country in different, regional minor leagues.  Just like baseball used to be/kinda still is.  This benefits players because they'll get money in exchange for risking their bodies instead of a useless scholarship that can go away in a snap.  The best players can get promoted whenever they're ready or whenever the 'parent' team needs to fill a need.  Pros who are struggling or trying to work their way back from injury can take some rehab snaps in the minors.

I think that will not only be better for players, but also fans, because true minor league football would be way more competitive than the cartel-run college football.  None of this same 6 teams in the running for the next championship every single year.

I just hate the NCAA and want to imagine a world where they don't exist.

[Poiponen13]

Minor league football should replace college football.  Each pro team has a couple of 'farm teams' around the country in different, regional minor leagues.  Just like baseball used to be/kinda still is.  This benefits players because they'll get money in exchange for risking their bodies instead of a useless scholarship that can go away in a snap.  The best players can get promoted whenever they're ready or whenever the 'parent' team needs to fill a need.  Pros who are struggling or trying to work their way back from injury can take some rehab snaps in the minors.

I think that will not only be better for players, but also fans, because true minor league football would be way more competitive than the cartel-run college football.  None of this same 6 teams in the running for the next championship every single year.

I just hate the NCAA and want to imagine a world where they don't exist.

And they would have a 38-game season with promotion and relegation.

[1995hoo]

Honestly, what is with this weird European obsession with promotion and relegation?

[Poiponen13]

Honestly, what is with this weird European obsession with promotion and relegation?

Because promotion and relegation is better. It is boring to have same teams in every season.

[Roadgeekteen]

Minor league football should replace college football.  Each pro team has a couple of 'farm teams' around the country in different, regional minor leagues.  Just like baseball used to be/kinda still is.  This benefits players because they'll get money in exchange for risking their bodies instead of a useless scholarship that can go away in a snap.  The best players can get promoted whenever they're ready or whenever the 'parent' team needs to fill a need.  Pros who are struggling or trying to work their way back from injury can take some rehab snaps in the minors.

I think that will not only be better for players, but also fans, because true minor league football would be way more competitive than the cartel-run college football.  None of this same 6 teams in the running for the next championship every single year.

I just hate the NCAA and want to imagine a world where they don't exist.

Try to take away college football in Alabama is like trying to take away Jesus there. It would cause the south to seceed again.

[Poiponen13]

Minor league football should replace college football.  Each pro team has a couple of 'farm teams' around the country in different, regional minor leagues.  Just like baseball used to be/kinda still is.  This benefits players because they'll get money in exchange for risking their bodies instead of a useless scholarship that can go away in a snap.  The best players can get promoted whenever they're ready or whenever the 'parent' team needs to fill a need.  Pros who are struggling or trying to work their way back from injury can take some rehab snaps in the minors.

I think that will not only be better for players, but also fans, because true minor league football would be way more competitive than the cartel-run college football.  None of this same 6 teams in the running for the next championship every single year.

I just hate the NCAA and want to imagine a world where they don't exist.

Try to take away college football in Alabama is like trying to take away Jesus there. It would cause the south to seceed again.

Alabama should have NFL team. And San Antonio too.