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cbeach40:
The Queen Elizabeth Way does not have a secret designation, and as a placeholder in systems that only take numerical inputs 1 is used as a placeholder. 451 is available, and has even been recently considered for use elsewhere in the province.


--- Quote from: Alps on November 28, 2023, 06:52:28 PM ---Considering 451 is hidden on the QEW, I imagine whatever numbers are assigned should this come to fruition will be hidden as well.

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The Gardiner and DVP names have been around for decades, the transition points are logical, and changing them will only create disruption. We *might* see a 404/DVP co-designation posted, but the Gardiner will likely remain unchanged.

Also worth noting, the DVP might not meet 400-series design standards and the Gardiner for sure doesn't.


--- Quote from: Stephane Dumas on November 27, 2023, 09:12:11 PM ---That or they could bring back Hwy-2 from the dead for the Gardiner. 

It could be interesting to see if the E.C. Row Expressway in Windsor will be lucky as well?

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A small portion of Hwy 2 is still alive near Gananoque      https://maps.app.goo.gl/1WFGSnWCF4soBPNX6

Per the second point, certainly every municipality will be asking the province to take on some of their roads.


--- Quote from: andrepoiy on November 28, 2023, 03:08:52 PM ---I think the only provincial freeways that have a name in Ontario are Queensway (417 in Ottawa) and the Conestoga Parkway (7, 8, 85 in Waterloo Region). Both of which are never signed on MTO signs. (Not sure if they are on municipal signs).

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Queensway and Conestoga Pkwy used to be signed on some municipal signage but today it's just the numerical guide signs. Many sections of provincial highway have memorial dedications on them (eg, Hwy 405 as General Brock Pwky, 403 as the Alexander Graham Bell Pkwy, etc). And the EC Row Expwy has a portion that's owned by MTO but signed with just the name.

zzcarp:

--- Quote from: cbeach40 on November 29, 2023, 10:14:21 AM ---The Gardiner and DVP names have been around for decades, the transition points are logical, and changing them will only create disruption. We *might* see a 404/DVP co-designation posted, but the Gardiner will likely remain unchanged.

Also worth noting, the DVP might not meet 400-series design standards and the Gardiner for sure doesn't.

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Pre-downloading, the QEW extended another 6km east of Highway 427 to Lake Shore Drive/Highway 2. That could be resumed in theory with few design upgrades.

Regarding the 400-series design standards, how rigid is the MTO in enforcing these on pre-existing highways? Here in the states we have a lot of grandfathered Interstates that aren't up to 2023 standards, but AASHTO only gives a few waivers to new Interstate designations. Is that similar to the MTO's thought processes?

cbeach40:

--- Quote from: zzcarp on November 29, 2023, 11:18:42 AM ---Regarding the 400-series design standards, how rigid is the MTO in enforcing these on pre-existing highways? Here in the states we have a lot of grandfathered Interstates that aren't up to 2023 standards, but AASHTO only gives a few waivers to new Interstate designations. Is that similar to the MTO's thought processes?

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Short answer is pretty well the same logic

AsphaltPlanet:
Photo of the 407 looking easterly from Pine Valley Drive.  New towers are popping up adjacent to the subway extension at Vaughan Metropolitan Centre:


http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_407-409_images/407_cl_63_east_EB_Aug23_42x28.jpg

Daniel Fiddler:
Now if only Ontario would get its act together and increase the speed limit to 120 or 130 km / h.

100 km / h is too slow.  Even 110 km / h on the few roads its on is.

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