New Jersey Turnpike

[bzakharin]

Betsy Ross Bridge connects to NJ Route 90 in Pennsauken. It sounds like you headed towards NJ Route 73 and got onto the Turnpike at Exit 4 in Mount Laurel. Done that on Peter Pan and Greyhound a few times.

For some reason we used a Garmin to get where we were going, and took all of the toll roads. We could have easily shunpiked on our route and saved serious cash.

Without knowing where you were coming from and where you were going, you'd have to go way out of the way to encounter a free Delaware River crossing, and if you were to go to I-80 on the PA side, you'd be paying PA Turnpike tolls instead of NJ Turnpike ones. I don't see how you could have avoided that without taking non-freeway routes such as US 206 or 202.

[02 Park Ave]

There are no tolls eastbound across the Delaware River save for that privately owned crossing up at Dingman's Ferry.

[bzakharin]

There are no tolls eastbound across the Delaware River save for that privately owned crossing up at Dingman's Ferry.

You're right, of course. Forget the bridge part.

[Buffaboy]

Betsy Ross Bridge connects to NJ Route 90 in Pennsauken. It sounds like you headed towards NJ Route 73 and got onto the Turnpike at Exit 4 in Mount Laurel. Done that on Peter Pan and Greyhound a few times.

For some reason we used a Garmin to get where we were going, and took all of the toll roads. We could have easily shunpiked on our route and saved serious cash.

Without knowing where you were coming from and where you were going, you'd have to go way out of the way to encounter a free Delaware River crossing, and if you were to go to I-80 on the PA side, you'd be paying PA Turnpike tolls instead of NJ Turnpike ones. I don't see how you could have avoided that without taking non-freeway routes such as US 206 or 202.

We went from Philly to the Bear Mountain area.

[bzakharin]

Betsy Ross Bridge connects to NJ Route 90 in Pennsauken. It sounds like you headed towards NJ Route 73 and got onto the Turnpike at Exit 4 in Mount Laurel. Done that on Peter Pan and Greyhound a few times.

For some reason we used a Garmin to get where we were going, and took all of the toll roads. We could have easily shunpiked on our route and saved serious cash.

Without knowing where you were coming from and where you were going, you'd have to go way out of the way to encounter a free Delaware River crossing, and if you were to go to I-80 on the PA side, you'd be paying PA Turnpike tolls instead of NJ Turnpike ones. I don't see how you could have avoided that without taking non-freeway routes such as US 206 or 202.

We went from Philly to the Bear Mountain area.

Ah, well you *could* avoid all tolls by staying on the PA side until Scudders Falls Bridge and then follow surface streets between I-295 and I-287. That would cost you about 15 minutes. Or you could use the new PA Turnpike interchange and take I-95 all the way to the Garden State Parkway, which is what Google is actually recommending right now as the best route to take. That would probably be a bit faster than taking the Betsy Ross Bridge, and slightly cheaper too.

[ixnay]

Ah, well you *could* avoid all tolls by staying on the PA side until Scudders Falls Bridge and then follow surface streets between I-295 and I-287. That would cost you about 15 minutes.

There is no toll on the Thruway eastbound between exit 15 (I-287/NJ 17) and exit 13 (the PIP).  Westbound in that stretch there is no toll either except for commercial vehicles (at Spring Valley).  So by bzakharin's itinerary, you *would* avoid tolls.  But you would have to deal with 41 stoplights on U.S. 206 (by my count on Google Sat) between I-295 and I-287 north (the last stoplight is just before you reach Somerville Circle).

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[NJRoadfan]

NJ-31 and US-202 is a better choice. US-206 is brutal certain times of the day. Sometimes just taking US-1 is faster.

[RobbieL2415]

NJ-31 and US-202 is a better choice. US-206 is brutal certain times of the day. Sometimes just taking US-1 is faster.

I went I-287 to US 202 once but got onto it too early and got stuck on the two-lane portion.  Smooth sailing from the four-lane portion to the Mt. Hope Bridge.

[02 Park Ave]

Delaware Memorial Bridge closed due to fumes being emitted beneath it.  Turnpike closed southbound at Exit 2.

[SignBridge]

Well, what a fine time for this to happen on Sunday of Thanksgiving Weekend, though I agree there is never a good time for this type of occurrence.

[1995hoo]

Damn. I wonder how long the backups are. Think about how many people have no clue about any of the alternate routes and other bridges further north (recognizing that depending on where you were when the closure happened, you may have been good and stuck due to the difficulty of turning around).

[Tonytone]

Damn. I wonder how long the backups are. Think about how many people have no clue about any of the alternate routes and other bridges further north (recognizing that depending on where you were when the closure happened, you may have been good and stuck due to the difficulty of turning around).

Im about to leave from Wilmington De right now, Ill let you guys know how traffic is when I get home.


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[02 Park Ave]

The fumes are of the chemical ethylene oxide.

[Beltway]

The fumes are of the chemical ethylene oxide.

Ethylene oxide is a colorless and flammable gas with a faintly sweet odor.

As a toxic gas that leaves no residue on items it contacts, ethylene oxide is a surface disinfectant that is widely used in hospitals and the medical equipment industry to replace steam in the sterilization of heat-sensitive tools and equipment, such as disposable plastic syringes. It is so flammable and extremely explosive that it is used as a main component of thermobaric weapons; therefore, it is commonly handled and shipped as a refrigerated liquid to control its hazardous nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_oxide
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Ethylene oxide liquifies at 50 degrees F.

Very bad timing on the Sunday after Thanksgiving.

[Tonytone]

All 295 exits in Delaware are closed, 95 NB has heavy traffic, but it is moving & is that gas combustible? Thats why they shut the bridge down? How long will it be closed for?


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[Beltway]

All 295 exits in Delaware are closed, 95 NB has heavy traffic, but it is moving & is that gas combustible? Thats why they shut the bridge down? How long will it be closed for?

Ethylene oxide is also toxic.

At room temperature it is a flammable, carcinogenic, mutagenic, irritating, and anesthetic gas.

[02 Park Ave]

The Turnpike is now closed southbound at Exit 4.

[Tonytone]

All 295 exits in Delaware are closed, 95 NB has heavy traffic, but it is moving & is that gas combustible? Thats why they shut the bridge down? How long will it be closed for?

Ethylene oxide is also toxic.

At room temperature it is a flammable, carcinogenic, mutagenic, irritating, and anesthetic gas.

I posted my post as soon as you did yours beltway, that was very informative thank you. That would have definitely caused many issues, if traffic was still going, why would they let a factory produce this by a main bridge? even any bridge at all? They need to regulate plants by bridges, the last time the Del Mem was closed, was because of a fire @ the same plant, I believe.


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[Alps]

The fumes are of the chemical ethylene oxide.

Ethylene oxide is a colorless and flammable gas with a faintly sweet odor.

As a toxic gas that leaves no residue on items it contacts, ethylene oxide is a surface disinfectant that is widely used in hospitals and the medical equipment industry to replace steam in the sterilization of heat-sensitive tools and equipment, such as disposable plastic syringes. It is so flammable and extremely explosive that it is used as a main component of thermobaric weapons; therefore, it is commonly handled and shipped as a refrigerated liquid to control its hazardous nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_oxide
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Ethylene oxide liquifies at 50 degrees F.

Very bad timing on the Sunday after Thanksgiving.

Happens to be the day things went over 50. Wonder what caused the leak and when it happened.

[Beltway]

I posted my post as soon as you did yours beltway, that was very informative thank you. That would have definitely caused many issues, if traffic was still going, why would they let a factory produce this by a main bridge? even any bridge at all? They need to regulate plants by bridges, the last time the Del Mem was closed, was because of a fire @ the same plant, I believe.

I just looked at the aerial view on Google Maps.  It is not clear where the DuPont plant is, there is an industrial area just south of the bridge in Delaware, and another just north of the bridge in New Jersey.

I would surmise that the industrial areas were already there before the bridge was built (opened 1951).

[Tonytone]

I posted my post as soon as you did yours beltway, that was very informative thank you. That would have definitely caused many issues, if traffic was still going, why would they let a factory produce this by a main bridge? even any bridge at all? They need to regulate plants by bridges, the last time the Del Mem was closed, was because of a fire @ the same plant, I believe.

I just looked at the aerial view on Google Maps.  It is not clear where the DuPont plant is, there is an industrial area just south of the bridge in Delaware, and another just north of the bridge in New Jersey.

I would surmise that the industrial areas were already there before the bridge was built (opened 1951).

Its the white plant right when you go past the bridge, not the new one on the Delaware side. But on the New Jersey side. Correct me if im wrong.


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[Beltway]

I would surmise that the industrial areas were already there before the bridge was built (opened 1951).

Its the white plant right when you go past the bridge, not the new one on the Delaware side. But on the New Jersey side. Correct me if im wrong.

This one?  https://tinyurl.com/y7a95kdr

[Tonytone]

I would surmise that the industrial areas were already there before the bridge was built (opened 1951).

Its the white plant right when you go past the bridge, not the new one on the Delaware side. But on the New Jersey side. Correct me if im wrong.

This one?  https://tinyurl.com/y7a95kdr

You're link was broken for some reason belt, this one

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6825234,-75.5080243,15z/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en-us

The water tower also says "Dupont"  on it.

** Unless the new one is the manufacturer of the chemical. That is the one on the Delaware side to the right of the NB Bridge, where the dirt movement is. That plant opened earlier this year.


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[Alps]

News sources say it's the Crado plant on the DE side.


EDIT: All reopened. Carry on.

[ixnay]

News sources say it's the Crado plant on the DE side.


EDIT: All reopened. Carry on.

https://www.wdel.com/news/video-delaware-memorial-bridge-reopens-after-chemical-leak-creates-thanksgiving/article_0ae9e340-f102-11e8-a4c7-f32d17c72cd1.html

Apparently it was Croda, not Chambers.  The Croda of no liberty.

ixnay