Google Maps just fucking SUCKS now

[Scott5114]

You mean you all don't just scribble down on a post-it note "9 W/62 N/44 E/37 W/81 S/152 W" or whatever?

[Rothman]

You mean you all don't just scribble down on a post-it note "9 W/62 N/44 E/37 W/81 S/152 W" or whatever?

It's a tad more complicated than that on a countrywide county clinching trip.

[Scott5114]

You mean you all don't just scribble down on a post-it note "9 W/62 N/44 E/37 W/81 S/152 W" or whatever?

It's a tad more complicated than that on a countrywide county clinching trip.

only if you're a coward

[US 89]

You mean you all don't just scribble down on a post-it note "9 W/62 N/44 E/37 W/81 S/152 W" or whatever?

This is exactly how I handle any sort of trip I take on my own, whether it's a clinchdrive or a legitimate road trip. If my scribbled directions run over the entire front and back of the post-it note, it expands onto a piece of lined paper.

[webny99]

For whatever reason, Google is refusing to route on a portion of I-95 NB in Maryland (between MD 216 and MD 32).  Meanwhile, no closure is being shown in the traffic layer.

Hmm, I'm noticing this as well. Strangely, it will allow you to route on I-95 between MD 216 and the rest area, but not between the rest area and MD 32 under any circumstance. It's almost like it doesn't even know there's a road there; using anywhere on that stretch as your destination defaults to I-95 SB.

[kkt]

You mean you all don't just scribble down on a post-it note "9 W/62 N/44 E/37 W/81 S/152 W" or whatever?

I sketch a map of the route on a piece of paper with the routes labeled.  I could get away without that, but it makes it easier to remember what I'm supposed to be doing so I don't usually have to look at the directions while I'm driving.

[CtrlAltDel]

You mean you all don't just scribble down on a post-it note "9 W/62 N/44 E/37 W/81 S/152 W" or whatever?

I sketch a map of the route on a piece of paper with the routes labeled.  I could get away without that, but it makes it easier to remember what I'm supposed to be doing so I don't usually have to look at the directions while I'm driving.

That's what I do too.

[HighwayStar]

You mean you all don't just scribble down on a post-it note "9 W/62 N/44 E/37 W/81 S/152 W" or whatever?

I do that, if I don't just memorize it outright. And actually you can do that with an atlas rather than Google maps to achieve road warrior gold status. 

[Scott5114]

An atlas? Only if you're feeling lazy. Guess I have road warrior platinum status then, which requires obtaining maps through the mail (PDFs or shapefiles will do in a pinch) from the actual DOT.

[webny99]

I'm used to traveling with others + luggage + limited car space on road trips, in which case I could never deal with foldable maps. I generally bring at atlas along, but use Google Maps when I need to when off the main highways. I was reminded why last May, when my phone died on the way home from a day trip to the Catskills. We were near Middleburgh, and I had to use on my atlas to find my way back to the Thruway. I ended up following NY 145 to NY 10, but found out after the fact that NY 30>NY 30A>NY 162 would have saved close to ten minutes. It wasn't a big deal, but it was getting late at night and I certainly would have taken the shorter/faster route (and likely less winding/hilly than NY 10 too, plus avoiding Canajoharie) if I had been able to use Google Maps.

[HighwayStar]

I'm used to traveling with others + luggage + limited car space on road trips, in which case I could never deal with foldable maps. I generally bring at atlas along, but use Google Maps when I need to when off the main highways. I was reminded why last May, when my phone died on the way home from a day trip to the Catskills. We were near Middleburgh, and I had to use on my atlas to find my way back to the Thruway. I ended up following NY 145 to NY 10, but found out after the fact that NY 30>NY 30A>NY 162 would have saved close to ten minutes. It wasn't a big deal, but it was getting late at night and I certainly would have taken the shorter/faster route (and likely less winding/hilly than NY 10 too, plus avoiding Canajoharie) if I had been able to use Google Maps.

Eh, I find that Google only finds the faster way sometimes, and it is prone to optimistic assumptions. And sometimes it does stupid things that no one would ever actually do (such as advising me to go through an airport as a shortcut, never mind that it was $5 to go through it).

[NE2]

Eh, I find that Google only finds the faster way sometimes, and it is prone to optimistic assumptions. And sometimes it does stupid things that no one would ever actually do (such as advising me to go through an airport as a shortcut, never mind that it was $5 to go through it).

If you're talking about DFW, lots of people do that.

[HighwayStar]

Eh, I find that Google only finds the faster way sometimes, and it is prone to optimistic assumptions. And sometimes it does stupid things that no one would ever actually do (such as advising me to go through an airport as a shortcut, never mind that it was $5 to go through it).

If you're talking about DFW, lots of people do that.

To save 1 minute? I don't think so. Maybe at rush hour or if there was an accident, but this was not even going to save an appreciable amount of time. No one would do that.

[sprjus4]

^ Apparently enough people they increased the toll to $6 for quickly passing traffic.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2019/07/30/dfw-airport-upping-fee-to-6-for-pass-through-drivers-using-it-as-a-shortcut/

DFW International Airport officials plan to raise the fees for drivers who cut through the airport to save time.

The rate for pass-through commuters spending less than 8 minutes on airport property would increase to $6 starting Oct. 1, up from $4.

"This is to discourage drivers that cut through the airport to save time," DFW Airport CFO Chris Poisatte said.

Poisatte said airport roads, built and maintained with airport revenues and fees from airlines, are not intended to be a toll road for frustrated commuters.

DFW International Airport's board will vote on the proposal Thursday.

Last year, about 2,500 commuters a day cut through the airport, presumably to save time during busy rush-hour congestion between communities north and south of the property.

By the airport's estimations, they make about $3.6 million a year on pass-through commuters. Raising the fee by 50% would raise another $1.8 million if the higher rates don't scare away drivers.

"The rates are increasing so DFW can continue to improve upon parking and roadway infrastructures," airport spokeswoman Cynthia Vega said.

Any vehicle that enters the airport pays a fee, whether it's locals picking up passengers, ride-share drivers or those who park there.

Drivers that stay from 0 to 8 minutes pay $4, while those on the property 8 to 30 minutes only pay $2. For those remaining on-site between 30 minutes and 2 hours, it's $3.

Those fees come from airport estimates on how long it takes to pick up and drop off passengers. Drivers on property less than 8 minutes, they presume, are only cutting through.

The price hike on pass-through drivers is the only parking and toll fee increase planned for the upcoming year.

[Rothman]

I'm used to traveling with others + luggage + limited car space on road trips, in which case I could never deal with foldable maps. I generally bring at atlas along, but use Google Maps when I need to when off the main highways. I was reminded why last May, when my phone died on the way home from a day trip to the Catskills. We were near Middleburgh, and I had to use on my atlas to find my way back to the Thruway. I ended up following NY 145 to NY 10, but found out after the fact that NY 30>NY 30A>NY 162 would have saved close to ten minutes. It wasn't a big deal, but it was getting late at night and I certainly would have taken the shorter/faster route (and likely less winding/hilly than NY 10 too, plus avoiding Canajoharie) if I had been able to use Google Maps.

Paper maps don't take up that much space.  Put 'em in the door.

Kids these days... ;D

[webny99]

Eh, I find that Google only finds the faster way sometimes, and it is prone to optimistic assumptions. And sometimes it does stupid things that no one would ever actually do (such as advising me to go through an airport as a shortcut, never mind that it was $5 to go through it).

If you're talking about DFW, lots of people do that.

To save 1 minute? I don't think so. Maybe at rush hour or if there was an accident, but this was not even going to save an appreciable amount of time. No one would do that.

$6 is still nothing compared to some of the NY bridge tolls or the rates on Ontario's 407 ETR. If there's any congestion on the other routes, there's probably plenty of people who think it's worth it.

In any case that's a very unique situation. Most airports don't have exits on both ends, so they can't be used as a cut-through. I would hardly call that evidence that Google Maps "does stupid things" - if anything, it's a counterpoint to Maps "only find[ing] the fastest way sometimes".

[webny99]

I'm used to traveling with others + luggage + limited car space on road trips, in which case I could never deal with foldable maps. I generally bring at atlas along, but use Google Maps when I need to when off the main highways. ...

Paper maps don't take up that much space.  Put 'em in the door.

Kids these days... ;D

Oh, it's not the storage space that's the issue. It's how big and clumsy they are when they're unfolded and you're actually trying to use them. 

[SEWIGuy]

Eh, I find that Google only finds the faster way sometimes, and it is prone to optimistic assumptions. And sometimes it does stupid things that no one would ever actually do (such as advising me to go through an airport as a shortcut, never mind that it was $5 to go through it).

If you're talking about DFW, lots of people do that.

To save 1 minute? I don't think so. Maybe at rush hour or if there was an accident, but this was not even going to save an appreciable amount of time. No one would do that.

I've done it before when an accident pretty much shut down another route.  But yeah driving through is also a lot slower speed limit wise on top of the toll. 

[HighwayStar]

I'm used to traveling with others + luggage + limited car space on road trips, in which case I could never deal with foldable maps. I generally bring at atlas along, but use Google Maps when I need to when off the main highways. ...

Paper maps don't take up that much space.  Put 'em in the door.

Kids these days... ;D

Oh, it's not the storage space that's the issue. It's how big and clumsy they are when they're unfolded and you're actually trying to use them. 

I guess you need a bigger car then.
Though, you can use a couple panels of the map rather than the whole thing in most cases.

[hotdogPi]

I guess you need a bigger car then.

But you want to ban all SUVs.

[HighwayStar]

I guess you need a bigger car then.

But you want to ban all SUVs.

Yes, because they don't even provide much interior room, just wasted weight and height without increasing interior room. My sedan is more spacious than any SUV I have ever been in.

[Scott5114]

I'm used to traveling with others + luggage + limited car space on road trips, in which case I could never deal with foldable maps. I generally bring at atlas along, but use Google Maps when I need to when off the main highways. ...

Paper maps don't take up that much space.  Put 'em in the door.

Kids these days... ;D

Oh, it's not the storage space that's the issue. It's how big and clumsy they are when they're unfolded and you're actually trying to use them. 

Kick Grandma out at the rest area. "Out of the way, Grams, I've gotta look at the map!"

[TheHighwayMan3561]

I'm used to traveling with others + luggage + limited car space on road trips, in which case I could never deal with foldable maps. I generally bring at atlas along, but use Google Maps when I need to when off the main highways. ...

Paper maps don't take up that much space.  Put 'em in the door.

Kids these days... ;D

Oh, it's not the storage space that's the issue. It's how big and clumsy they are when they're unfolded and you're actually trying to use them. 

Kick Grandma out at the rest area. "Out of the way, Grams, I've gotta look at the map!"

"Hey Fozzie, who's driving?"

[empirestate]

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2019/07/30/dfw-airport-upping-fee-to-6-for-pass-through-drivers-using-it-as-a-shortcut/

Poisatte said airport roads, built and maintained with airport revenues and fees from airlines, are not intended to be a toll road for frustrated commuters.

The same is essentially true of all the NYS parkways, and yet here we are.

[Rothman]

I guess you need a bigger car then.

But you want to ban all SUVs.

Yes, because they don't even provide much interior room, just wasted weight and height without increasing interior room. My sedan is more spacious than any SUV I have ever been in.

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