Right Idea, Wrong Sign

[kphoger]

I think this is a pretty good example of right idea, wrong sign

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.443862,-123.5266725,3a,25.2y,264.24h,87.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-MOvRIXpyU6KqyHIELrEjw!2e0!5s20180501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

What sign would you rather have there? "Keep Right" Black/White Sign?

I guess that yellow sign implies a Divided Highway

kphoger's examples look like "Traffic Circle" signs would be more appropriate, or Right Turn Only

Should be R4-7 instead.  A yellow diamond is a warning sign telling you about an upcoming hazard.

[GenExpwy]

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.408343,-77.6161798,3a,37.5y,269.58h,91.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfwmHCGKp4G9yadxlQ_O5nQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

About 15 years ago, NYSDOT posted these on NY 21 in each direction approaching the Hornell reservoirs. If GSV is too blurry, it says:

CAUTION
REDUCED SALT
AREA
NEXT 1.5 MILES

The sign guy apparently forgot that white on a blue rectangle is for services; warning is black on a yellow diamond. They were taken away a few years ago.
(Also, Helvetica.)

[ErmineNotyours]

I'm thinking the bottom sign should be an arrow instead of a symbolic no right turn for SB Bloomingdale Road at Schick Road in Bloomingdale, IL.

Try this link
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9545178,-88.0810842,3a,75y,186.74h,92.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slsMF4JOl5vMzPVV6veCBwQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

A since-removed example in North Bend, WA.

[roadfro]

What sign would you rather have there? "Keep Right" Black/White Sign?

I guess that yellow sign implies a Divided Highway

Well, the yellow sign is for the end of a divided highway. In the instance in question, it's been placed upside down at the beginning of one.

The yellow warning sign shown here can be used to signal the beginning of or end of a divided highway, depending on the orientation. The MUTCD specifies separate sign codes, W6-1 and W6-2, for warning of the beginning and end of a divided highway, respectively.

The MUTCD (Sec 2C.22) explicitly prohibits using the W6-1 begin divided highway sign instead of a R4-7 "Keep Right" series sign on a median island.

[kphoger]

What sign would you rather have there? "Keep Right" Black/White Sign?

I guess that yellow sign implies a Divided Highway

Well, the yellow sign is for the end of a divided highway. In the instance in question, it's been placed upside down at the beginning of one.

The yellow warning sign shown here can be used to signal the beginning of or end of a divided highway, depending on the orientation. The MUTCD specifies separate sign codes, W6-1 and W6-2, for warning of the beginning and end of a divided highway, respectively.

The MUTCD (Sec 2C.22) explicitly prohibits using the W6-1 begin divided highway sign instead of a R4-7 "Keep Right" series sign on a median island.

For the sake of the lazy or unaccustomed, here is the pertinent verbiage:

Section 2C.22 Divided Highway Sign (W6-1)

Guidance:
01 A Divided Highway (W6-1) sign (see Figure 2C-5) should be used on the approaches to a section of highway (not an intersection or junction) where the opposing flows of traffic are separated by a median or other physical barrier.

Standard:
02   The Divided Highway (W6-1) sign shall not be used instead of a Keep Right (R4-7 series) sign on the approach end of a median island.

[marleythedog]

And since the original example was from British Columbia... Manual of Standard Traffic Signs& Pavement Markings PDF page 85

The  W-48  DIVIDED  HIGHWAY  ENDS  sign  warns  motorists  of  an impending  transition  from  divided  highway  operation  to  undivided highway operation.This  sign  shall  only  be  used  on  multi-lane  highways.    This sign shall not be used at a channelized intersection or in place of the R-14 KEEP RIGHT sign.

TBH, I don't see anywhere in that manual that allows for that diagram to be used as a Divided Highway Begins sign in BC.

[jakeroot]

And since the original example was from British Columbia... Manual of Standard Traffic Signs& Pavement Markings PDF page 85

Finally. I was starting to worry that people had forgotten about the example being in Canada.

[kphoger]

Sorry, I saw palm trees in the GSV shot and assumed I didn't need to even look at the location.   

[CtrlAltDel]

What sign would you rather have there? "Keep Right" Black/White Sign?

I guess that yellow sign implies a Divided Highway

Well, the yellow sign is for the end of a divided highway. In the instance in question, it's been placed upside down at the beginning of one.

The yellow warning sign shown here can be used to signal the beginning of or end of a divided highway, depending on the orientation. The MUTCD specifies separate sign codes, W6-1 and W6-2, for warning of the beginning and end of a divided highway, respectively.

The MUTCD (Sec 2C.22) explicitly prohibits using the W6-1 begin divided highway sign instead of a R4-7 "Keep Right" series sign on a median island.

And since the original example was from British Columbia... Manual of Standard Traffic Signs& Pavement Markings PDF page 85

The  W-48  DIVIDED  HIGHWAY  ENDS  sign  warns  motorists  of  an impending  transition  from  divided  highway  operation  to  undivided highway operation.This  sign  shall  only  be  used  on  multi-lane  highways.    This sign shall not be used at a channelized intersection or in place of the R-14 KEEP RIGHT sign.

TBH, I don't see anywhere in that manual that allows for that diagram to be used as a Divided Highway Begins sign in BC.

So, in the US, I was right but for the wrong reason, and in Canada, I was right for the right reason. Since the sign was in Canada, then, I was technically correct . . . the best kind of correct.

[jakeroot]

Sorry, I saw palm trees in the GSV shot and assumed I didn't need to even look at the location.   

Vancouver Island, BC's Lower Mainland, and the Okanagan are basically the only three places in Canada where you'll find palm trees. Everywhere else gets too cold, IIRC (with the Okanagan just barely being warm enough). Not natural to any of those places, of course. But the climate does work well enough for them.

[roadfro]

And since the original example was from British Columbia... Manual of Standard Traffic Signs& Pavement Markings PDF page 85

Finally. I was starting to worry that people had forgotten about the example being in Canada.

To be fair, there was no location context mentioned in the original post. I just looked at the street view image without examining location details.

[jakeroot]

And since the original example was from British Columbia... Manual of Standard Traffic Signs& Pavement Markings PDF page 85

Finally. I was starting to worry that people had forgotten about the example being in Canada.

To be fair, there was no location context mentioned in the original post. I just looked at the street view image without examining location details.

There were some contextual clues: the slightly narrow arrows on the warning sign, and the cross-hatching between single-yellow lines (relatively unusual in the US apart from some occasions), and (for car-geeks) a five-door Toyota Echo hatch (not sold in the US) off to the left in the parking lot.

[roadman]

I think this is a pretty good example of right idea, wrong sign

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.443862,-123.5266725,3a,25.2y,264.24h,87.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-MOvRIXpyU6KqyHIELrEjw!2e0!5s20180501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Noted similar installations in the Champaign/Urbana area on my past couple of trips to visit relatives out there.  Not sure if they're local installations or ID(i)OT though.

[Brian556]

This one has to be the most creative sign misuse I've ever seen:https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5069368,-97.1111665,3a,15y,23.53h,84.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqU-mTHExCwPEIG4jGLL83g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqU-mTHExCwPEIG4jGLL83g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D3.0297606%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

[7/8]

This one has to be the most creative sign misuse I've ever seen:https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5069368,-97.1111665,3a,15y,23.53h,84.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqU-mTHExCwPEIG4jGLL83g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqU-mTHExCwPEIG4jGLL83g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D3.0297606%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Wow that's awesome, and it works surprisingly well

[roadman]

This one has to be the most creative sign misuse I've ever seen:https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5069368,-97.1111665,3a,15y,23.53h,84.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqU-mTHExCwPEIG4jGLL83g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqU-mTHExCwPEIG4jGLL83g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D3.0297606%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

A graphic Stop Line sign.  I kind of like it myself.

[kphoger]

meh.  Some white paint on the road would work better.

[roadman]

meh.  Some white paint on the road would work better.

Until the early 1980s, it was common practice in Massachusetts to put a separate sign reading STOP LINE at the actual stop line, where one was marked on the pavement.   

[jakeroot]

meh.  Some white paint on the road would work better.

Until the early 1980s, it was common practice in Massachusetts to put a separate sign reading STOP LINE at the actual stop line, where one was marked on the pavement.

At all stop lines (stop-control, signals)?

[hotdogPi]

[roadman]

First time I've seen a white on green Stop Line sign.  The ones in MA were black on white.

[roadman]

meh.  Some white paint on the road would work better.

Until the early 1980s, it was common practice in Massachusetts to put a separate sign reading STOP LINE at the actual stop line, where one was marked on the pavement.

At all stop lines (stop-control, signals)?

Generally used only at signalized intersections, but occasionally used at stop-controlled locations where the Stop sign and the Stop line were offset from each other as well.

[jakeroot]

meh.  Some white paint on the road would work better.

Until the early 1980s, it was common practice in Massachusetts to put a separate sign reading STOP LINE at the actual stop line, where one was marked on the pavement.

At all stop lines (stop-control, signals)?

Generally used only at signalized intersections, but occasionally used at stop-controlled locations where the Stop sign and the Stop line were offset from each other as well.

Gotcha. I was thinking that using them at all intersections, stop and signal controlled, would have been overkill. Still overkill to use them at every intersection IMO (then again, the practice died off, so I must not have been alone in thinking that).

[bcroadguy]

This one has to be the most creative sign misuse I've ever seen:https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5069368,-97.1111665,3a,15y,23.53h,84.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqU-mTHExCwPEIG4jGLL83g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqU-mTHExCwPEIG4jGLL83g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D3.0297606%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

I actually kinda like this

[roadman]

meh.  Some white paint on the road would work better.

Until the early 1980s, it was common practice in Massachusetts to put a separate sign reading STOP LINE at the actual stop line, where one was marked on the pavement.

At all stop lines (stop-control, signals)?

Generally used only at signalized intersections, but occasionally used at stop-controlled locations where the Stop sign and the Stop line were offset from each other as well.

Gotcha. I was thinking that using them at all intersections, stop and signal controlled, would have been overkill. Still overkill to use them at every intersection IMO (then again, the practice died off, so I must not have been alone in thinking that).

MassDPW discontinued use of Stop Line signs in the late 1980s, although the MDC continued to use them into the DCR era.  I encounter a straggler out there every so often, but I haven't seen a new install in some time.