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Started by kenarmy, January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM

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roadman65

US 220 should be renumbered US 311 as it no longer connects to US 120 and never connected to US 20.
US 311 should be alternate US 311.
North of Bedford, PA US 220 should be dropped as it's concurrent with I-99 and I-80.
North of I-80 it should be PA 220.
South of Greensboro I-73 is just fine.
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Sheryl Crowe


SkyPesos

Quote from: roadman65 on January 26, 2021, 03:10:22 PM
US 220 should be renumbered US 311 as it no longer connects to US 120 and never connected to US 20.
In my mind, US 220 is long enough for a 2 digit number. US 17 would fit the grid there, and current US 17 can be something else.

Other 3 digit US routes long enough for me for a 2 digit number:
US 421 -> US 37
US 231 -> US 39
US 190 -> US 86

TheHighwayMan3561

US 61 should return north of MSP, but it should stay on I-35 to Duluth. It doesn't need to go back on its old alignment.
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kphoger

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 26, 2021, 03:18:44 PM
US 61 should return north of MSP, but it should stay on I-35 to Duluth. It doesn't need to go back on its old alignment.

So what you're saying is "Highway 61 doesn't need to be revisited".    :awesomeface:
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JayhawkCO

Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
- US 40 should be decommissioned

Have a better number you'd prefer for UT/CO/KS where it's not just a supplement to an existing interstate at best?

Chris

SkyPesos

Quote from: jayhawkco on January 26, 2021, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
- US 40 should be decommissioned

Have a better number you'd prefer for UT/CO/KS where it's not just a supplement to an existing interstate at best?

Chris
And for PA-MD. The section of US 40 between PA 43 and I-68 is part of the fastest route from most cities on I-70 in the Midwest to DC/Baltimore from a couple of Google Maps searches, and it bypasses Breezewood too (!)

roadman65

US 4 needs to take over NY 7 (east of Troy and Cohoes) and then MSR 9 to Rochester, NH to what is left of US 4 south of the Spalding Turnpike and make the existing US 4 a 3 digit route like a reboot of defunct US 104 or US 204.
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kphoger

Quote from: SkyPesos on January 26, 2021, 06:30:16 PM

Quote from: jayhawkco on January 26, 2021, 06:27:37 PM

Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
- US 40 should be decommissioned

Have a better number you'd prefer for UT/CO/KS where it's not just a supplement to an existing interstate at best?

Chris

And for PA-MD. The section of US 40 between PA 43 and I-68 is part of the fastest route from most cities on I-70 in the Midwest to DC/Baltimore from a couple of Google Maps searches, and it bypasses Breezewood too (!)

How about leave the PA-MD section as a 3dus, or else keep the number US-40, or maybe downgrade it into a couple of state routes.  The KS-CO portion could become state routes.  The Denver-SLC corridor could become a 3dus, maybe US-306.  Then the rest can be decommissioned.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
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kenarmy

Quote from: SkyPesos on January 26, 2021, 06:30:16 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on January 26, 2021, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
- US 40 should be decommissioned

Have a better number you'd prefer for UT/CO/KS where it's not just a supplement to an existing interstate at best?

Chris
And for PA-MD. The section of US 40 between PA 43 and I-68 is part of the fastest route from most cities on I-70 in the Midwest to DC/Baltimore from a couple of Google Maps searches, and it bypasses Breezewood too (!)
Eh, I would say it could stay only between Denver and its current west terminus.
Regarding the other independent parts:
- It's route between Oakley and Limon could become US 24. 24 probably was overlapped with 40 on this route a while ago anyway..
- From there... ALL THE WAY to pennsylvania is a long distance. And that independent portion is less than 40 (hehe) miles long.
Just a reminder that US 6, 49, 50, and 98 are superior to your fave routes :)


EXTEND 206 SO IT CAN MEET ITS PARENT.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: kphoger on January 26, 2021, 06:41:07 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 26, 2021, 06:30:16 PM

Quote from: jayhawkco on January 26, 2021, 06:27:37 PM

Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
- US 40 should be decommissioned

Have a better number you'd prefer for UT/CO/KS where it's not just a supplement to an existing interstate at best?

Chris

And for PA-MD. The section of US 40 between PA 43 and I-68 is part of the fastest route from most cities on I-70 in the Midwest to DC/Baltimore from a couple of Google Maps searches, and it bypasses Breezewood too (!)

How about leave the PA-MD section as a 3dus, or else keep the number US-40, or maybe downgrade it into a couple of state routes.  The KS-CO portion could become state routes.  The Denver-SLC corridor could become a 3dus, maybe US-306.  Then the rest can be decommissioned.

If anything, I'd think the DEN-SLC stretch is more worth of a 2dus (40) than the far shorter PA-MD segment.  Yes, probably lower AADT, but more "important" IMO.

Chris

JayhawkCO

Quote from: kenarmy on January 26, 2021, 06:55:13 PM
Eh, I would say it could stay only between Denver and its current west terminus.
Regarding the other independent parts:
- It's route between Oakley and Limon could become US 24. 24 probably was overlapped with 40 on this route a while ago anyway..
- From there... ALL THE WAY to pennsylvania is a long distance. And that independent portion is less than 40 (hehe) miles long.

If you made the Oakley-Limon part US24, then it would also make more sense to swap US24 between the Springs and Limon with CO94.  Otherwise US24 does a whole up-down-up-down thing.

Chris

kenarmy

Quote from: jayhawkco on January 26, 2021, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on January 26, 2021, 06:55:13 PM
Eh, I would say it could stay only between Denver and its current west terminus.
Regarding the other independent parts:
- It's route between Oakley and Limon could become US 24. 24 probably was overlapped with 40 on this route a while ago anyway..
- From there... ALL THE WAY to pennsylvania is a long distance. And that independent portion is less than 40 (hehe) miles long.

If you made the Oakley-Limon part US24, then it would also make more sense to swap US24 between the Springs and Limon with CO94.  Otherwise US24 does a whole up-down-up-down thing.

Chris
Yeah thanks for pointing that out.. Now the only remaining portion would be concurrent with US 287.  :bigass: This makes US 99's decommissioning look dumb though since it is way more separated from 5 than 40 is from 70.
Just a reminder that US 6, 49, 50, and 98 are superior to your fave routes :)


EXTEND 206 SO IT CAN MEET ITS PARENT.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: kenarmy on January 26, 2021, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on January 26, 2021, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on January 26, 2021, 06:55:13 PM
Eh, I would say it could stay only between Denver and its current west terminus.
Regarding the other independent parts:
- It's route between Oakley and Limon could become US 24. 24 probably was overlapped with 40 on this route a while ago anyway..
- From there... ALL THE WAY to pennsylvania is a long distance. And that independent portion is less than 40 (hehe) miles long.

If you made the Oakley-Limon part US24, then it would also make more sense to swap US24 between the Springs and Limon with CO94.  Otherwise US24 does a whole up-down-up-down thing.

Chris
Yeah thanks for pointing that out.. Now the only remaining portion would be concurrent with US 287.  :bigass: This makes US 99's decommissioning look dumb though since it is way more separated from 5 than 40 is from 70.

And you'd probably have to have US24 run concurrently with US83 from Oakley to the current intersection with US24 and create a couple new KS state highways to tie off the ends of what currently connects to I-70 in Colby and Oakley.

Chris

roadman65

Speaking of Kansas, that US 69 bump off and on at Merriam is a crazy thing.  You have the route going SB on I-35 with a short concurrency exit at Metcalf Avenue  and then follow Metcalf to Shawnee Mission Parkway and then get back on the freeway two exits later having no purpose but to maintain an inventory in KDOT. 

Yes, US 69 was always on Metcalf and continued south out of the KC area on that arterial until the freeways were built.  However, it should have been pulled off of it when both I-35 and the US 69 freeway opened to bypass it later on.

Recently they realigned US 169 as it for a while used Metcalf south of US 69 to I-435 and then west to I-35.  Now it continues on Shawnee Mission with US 56 and enters I-35 from Merriam and Metcalf Avenue is number less south of the cloverleaf at Metcalf and Shawnee Mission and I-435 is no longer concurrent with US 169 at all.   You figured they would have realigned US 69 when US 169 was realigned as well, but noooo!
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

SkyPesos

Quote from: kenarmy on January 26, 2021, 06:55:13 PM
Eh, I would say it could stay only between Denver and its current west terminus.
Regarding the other independent parts:
- It's route between Oakley and Limon could become US 24. 24 probably was overlapped with 40 on this route a while ago anyway..
- From there... ALL THE WAY to pennsylvania is a long distance. And that independent portion is less than 40 (hehe) miles long.
Sometimes, I wonder what it would be like if US 40 was chosen instead of US 6 for I-70's western extension from Denver? Would I-80 be retained on what used to be I-80N to Portland instead of it getting renumbered to I-84, and I-70 take over I-80 to the Bay Area? Interestingly, this would have I-70 parallel US 40 and I-80 parallel US 30 more.

KeithE4Phx

Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
- US 93 should go to Phoenix, but it should also replace SR 87, 77, and 79 to go to Tucson.

Moot point.  Once I-11 is finally built, US 93 will no longer exist in Arizona.  AZ 87, 77, and 79 are perfectly fine the way they are.

Quote- US 70 should go west of globe, not 60. 

Why, and what difference does it make?  One can make an argument for ending US 60 at I-10 in Tempe, and renumbering the segment between I-17/Thomas Rd. and I-10 near the California line to something else, but there's no reason to change US 60 between Tempe and Globe.
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OCGuy81

I'd have had US 101 be US 99.

99 could've been 97.

97 could've been maybe 197?


SkyPesos

Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 26, 2021, 09:55:24 PM
97 could've been maybe 197?
97 can be US 420 for having a terminus at Weed, CA

And 101 can be a child route of US 1, maybe on current US 17 with my idea of US 220 renumbered to US 17 above.


kenarmy

#43
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on January 26, 2021, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
- US 93 should go to Phoenix, but it should also replace SR 87, 77, and 79 to go to Tucson.

Moot point.  Once I-11 is finally built, US 93 will no longer exist in Arizona.  AZ 87, 77, and 79 are perfectly fine the way they are.

Quote- US 70 should go west of globe, not 60. 

Why, and what difference does it make?  One can make an argument for ending US 60 at I-10 in Tempe, and renumbering the segment between I-17/Thomas Rd. and I-10 near the California line to something else, but there's no reason to change US 60 between Tempe and Globe.

You realize the title is opinion, right? 11 isn't going to get finished anytime soon. And my proposal could've taken place as early as 1993 when it was extended to its current terminus. and here's my opinion on why it should be 70.

- US 70 is the fastest route from globe to where 60 and 70 intersect again
- US 70 indicates that it is supposed to be further south than 60. Why not have (going N-S) 60-70-80? that is literally perfect. 70-60-80 isn't. 80 is now decommissioned but my point still stands.
- Even when 60 went to LA, 66 was more direct between there and springfield. 66 never junctioned 70 east of the city (not its current routing anyway). Actually, 60 junctioned with 66 quite a few times.
- Albeit not on its current route, 70 has been in Arizona ever since it was created. 60 entered 8 years afterwards, and that was when it was multiplexed all the way to LA with 70. So yeah..
If you're wondering, I'm aware this won't happen.
Just a reminder that US 6, 49, 50, and 98 are superior to your fave routes :)


EXTEND 206 SO IT CAN MEET ITS PARENT.

Rothman

This thread should be moved to fictional.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

kenarmy

Quote from: Rothman on January 26, 2021, 10:35:55 PM
This thread should be moved to fictional.

Why? It's just an opinion thread, not any new proposals. How about you tell me yours?
Just a reminder that US 6, 49, 50, and 98 are superior to your fave routes :)


EXTEND 206 SO IT CAN MEET ITS PARENT.

Rothman

Quote from: kenarmy on January 26, 2021, 10:44:35 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 26, 2021, 10:35:55 PM
This thread should be moved to fictional.

Why? It's just an opinion thread, not any new proposals. How about you tell me yours?
There are plenty of proposals for reroutings in here.  Fictional territory.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

tq-07fan

Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
Idk if this is already a thread buttt:
I can answer for some of what I've driven on or ridden a bus on. Out of curiosity have you been on the roads you propose changes and decommissioning?
Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
- US 34 and 44 should be branch routes of 6.
US 34 west of Galesburg was busy the few times I have been on it. I don't see what it has to do with US 6 other than the overlap between Wyanett and Princeton.
Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
- US 50 is an XL US 40S.
US 50 is fairly important through Illinois and Indiana. Ohio it has been replaced by OH 32 until Athens Ohio. Between Athens OH and Bridgeport WV US 50 has become a popular alternative to people going east to hook up with I-68. I can't remember ever riding across it from Bridgeport to Washington DC but east of Washington DC US 50 is the connection to the Delmarva Peninsula. It really doesn't do the same things US 40 does at least east of St Louis.
Quote from: kenarmy on January 25, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
- US 40 should be decommissioned
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TheHighwayMan3561

Decommission US 49 and remove it from existence including deleting all avatars for it off this board.

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Also, US 1's Boston routing is a crime against humanity.
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