Virginia

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What does this electronic sign display? There's another one on the Bypass EB as well.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ARznTXDSgy8FP99b6

On the 10th, I saw the exact sign on my way to Waynesboro, I don't think it said anything.

it is just a tiny VMS for incidents and what not

https://goo.gl/maps/YB74nWEENg1uM1QE8

Those have got to be some of the smallest VMSs I've ever seen

[Bitmapped]

What does this electronic sign display? There's another one on the Bypass EB as well.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ARznTXDSgy8FP99b6

On the 10th, I saw the exact sign on my way to Waynesboro, I don't think it said anything.

it is just a tiny VMS for incidents and what not

https://goo.gl/maps/YB74nWEENg1uM1QE8

Is that even useful? It's so small I don't see how someone is going to be able to read and decipher the message at speed.

[Hunty2022]

A few weeks ago, new road signs were put up on a new F-1118 near Stanardsville, the new route number is on part of the old alignment of US 33.

[WillWeaverRVA]

A few weeks ago, new road signs were put up on a new F-1118 near Stanardsville, the new route number is on part of the old alignment of US 33.

Well, that's odd. Not only is there a superfluous S on that BUS 33 rectangle, VDOT needs to come up with a uniform way of signing business routes on the little rectangles if they're going to use them - US 360 BUSINESS in Mechanicsville is signed as "B360" and "C360".

[74/171FAN]

I did not see this shield for VA 6Y when clinching VA 6 early yesterday morning.  I wonder if I may have just not seen it because if it is gone, then there goes the route in Travel Mapping.

[Takumi]

I don't remember it being there when I clinched VA 6 in 2019, but it was raining pretty hard when I was on that part of it. Given that that GMSV imaging is from 2019, it probably was and I just don't remember it, but I also vaguely remember wondering where 6Y was.

[Hunty2022]

Back in October, I was going to Lynchburg, so I obviously passed this intersection, but I did not see the 6Y sign either.

[WillWeaverRVA]

I did not see this shield for VA 6Y when clinching VA 6 early yesterday morning.  I wonder if I may have just not seen it because if it is gone, then there goes the route in Travel Mapping.

I haven't seen anything in the CTB minutes about VA 6Y being decommissioned, so maybe the sign is just missing.

[Jmiles32]

https://henrico.us/projects/short-pump-interchange/

Seems to be a renewed push by Henrico County and Short Pump to not only build a new interchange at Interstate 64 and North Gayton Road
but also somewhat reconfigure the Exit 178 Interchange (US-250 W Broad Street).

While both projects are obviously worthwhile improvements to the congested Short Pump area, I've always wondered why not also just simply connect I-295 directly to the John Rolfe Parkway? I'm assuming this option was at least considered before the new exit ramp from I-64 eastbound to I-295 replaced the old one but am wondering if Short Pump residents were either opposed to this or if there was another reason. Seems that a direct connection from I-295 to John Rolfe would save drivers a lot of time and help a lot with the weaving that takes places on I-64 between the I-295 and US-250 exits.

[WillWeaverRVA]

https://henrico.us/projects/short-pump-interchange/

Seems to be a renewed push by Henrico County and Short Pump to not only build a new interchange at Interstate 64 and North Gayton Road
but also somewhat reconfigure the Exit 178 Interchange (US-250 W Broad Street).

While both projects are obviously worthwhile improvements to the congested Short Pump area, I've always wondered why not also just simply connect I-295 directly to the John Rolfe Parkway? I'm assuming this option was at least considered before the new exit ramp from I-64 eastbound to I-295 replaced the old one but am wondering if Short Pump residents were either opposed to this or if there was another reason. Seems that a direct connection from I-295 to John Rolfe would save drivers a lot of time and help a lot with the weaving that takes places on I-64 between the I-295 and US-250 exits.

Unfortunately with the level of development in Short Pump, a direct connection between I-295 and John Rolfe Pkwy would be extremely dangerous - the distance between the I-295 stub and the northern end of John Rolfe Pkwy is only a couple hundred feet, and that segment of John Rolfe Pkwy isn't owned or maintained by Henrico County anymore (they turned over the ROW to developers).

There probably wasn't significant community opposition to such a connection since Short Pump was basically completely undeveloped at the time I-295 was built - most of the development west of the I-64/US 250 interchange didn't appear until the early 1990s. In fact, Henrico County originally wanted I-295 to be on what is now John Rolfe Parkway, but Chesterfield County turned over its planned route to developers and VA 288 had to be shifted westward.

The N Gayton Rd interchange was included as part of the original plan to build the N Gayton Rd extension from US 250 to VA 271, and the ROW is already reserved for a potential future interchange (although the original plan called for a standard diamond rather than the DDI Henrico County plans to build).

[WillWeaverRVA]

So I was looking at the VDOT ArcGIS map after posting a sign error in Abingdon on Facebook the other day and noticed that VA 372 no longer exists at Virginia Highlands Community College. It appears it was decommissioned in 2005, but it's still posted. (CTB minutes)

The same map shows a new VA 372 near Pocahontas Correctional Center in the geographical middle of nowhere but I can't find a reference to when it was designated.

[hbelkins]

So I was looking at the VDOT ArcGIS map after posting a sign error in Abingdon on Facebook the other day and noticed that VA 372 no longer exists at Virginia Highlands Community College. It appears it was decommissioned in 2005, but it's still posted. (CTB minutes)

The 140 and 372 circles?

[WillWeaverRVA]

So I was looking at the VDOT ArcGIS map after posting a sign error in Abingdon on Facebook the other day and noticed that VA 372 no longer exists at Virginia Highlands Community College. It appears it was decommissioned in 2005, but it's still posted. (CTB minutes)

The 140 and 372 circles?

Yeah, those.

[Jmiles32]

https://henrico.us/projects/short-pump-interchange/

Seems to be a renewed push by Henrico County and Short Pump to not only build a new interchange at Interstate 64 and North Gayton Road
but also somewhat reconfigure the Exit 178 Interchange (US-250 W Broad Street).

While both projects are obviously worthwhile improvements to the congested Short Pump area, I've always wondered why not also just simply connect I-295 directly to the John Rolfe Parkway? I'm assuming this option was at least considered before the new exit ramp from I-64 eastbound to I-295 replaced the old one but am wondering if Short Pump residents were either opposed to this or if there was another reason. Seems that a direct connection from I-295 to John Rolfe would save drivers a lot of time and help a lot with the weaving that takes places on I-64 between the I-295 and US-250 exits.

Unfortunately with the level of development in Short Pump, a direct connection between I-295 and John Rolfe Pkwy would be extremely dangerous - the distance between the I-295 stub and the northern end of John Rolfe Pkwy is only a couple hundred feet, and that segment of John Rolfe Pkwy isn't owned or maintained by Henrico County anymore (they turned over the ROW to developers).

There probably wasn't significant community opposition to such a connection since Short Pump was basically completely undeveloped at the time I-295 was built - most of the development west of the I-64/US 250 interchange didn't appear until the early 1990s. In fact, Henrico County originally wanted I-295 to be on what is now John Rolfe Parkway, but Chesterfield County turned over its planned route to developers and VA 288 had to be shifted westward.

The N Gayton Rd interchange was included as part of the original plan to build the N Gayton Rd extension from US 250 to VA 271, and the ROW is already reserved for a potential future interchange (although the original plan called for a standard diamond rather than the DDI Henrico County plans to build).

Gotcha. Very unfortunate that area wasn't better planned. Seems like such a waste and had a direct connection (or at least the ROW) been done/preserved before all of the development, perhaps the current costly improvements would not be nearly as necessary.

[Mapmikey]

So I was looking at the VDOT ArcGIS map after posting a sign error in Abingdon on Facebook the other day and noticed that VA 372 no longer exists at Virginia Highlands Community College. It appears it was decommissioned in 2005, but it's still posted. (CTB minutes)

The 140 and 372 circles?

yes (2021 GMSV) - https://goo.gl/maps/NLGXAfL35dKo9zqC8

Trying to determine what happened with VA 372.  The CTB reference did not make me believe it was entirely decommissioned.  And they also do not announce placing new routes into service every time that happens.

VDOT has a mileage report that includes a table with number of state institution miles in each district. State Parks have their own column. Both Abingdon and Pocahontas are in the Bristol District.

2005 says 9.64 miles of these routes in Bristol District.  This should be VA 330, VA 361, VA 365, VA 369, VA 372, VA 382 and VA 387 and checking my website the mileages are reasonably close.

2007 drops it to 8.40 miles

2013 raises it back to 9.64 miles

2017 raises it to 17.92 but lowers state parks to 0.58 (from 10.21).  Other district had this phenomenon too, zeroing out some state park mileage entirely.  Statewide state parks dropped from 31.82 to 13.45 while institutions went from 77.15 to 111.46.  Now (2021) it is 123.8 and 6.62.

2021 has 17.10 with state parks at 0.58.

Pocahontas Correctional Facility opened in 2007.  The route shown on arcgis as VA 372 is 0.5 miles long.  The arcgis has a recency date of 2/2/21 which is not necessarily the first date.

it appears the open 3xx numbers are 317, 357, 386 (still on arcgis), 392 (still on arcgis)

[Takumi]

So I was looking at the VDOT ArcGIS map after posting a sign error in Abingdon on Facebook the other day and noticed that VA 372 no longer exists at Virginia Highlands Community College. It appears it was decommissioned in 2005, but it's still posted. (CTB minutes)

The 140 and 372 circles?

yes (2021 GMSV) - https://goo.gl/maps/NLGXAfL35dKo9zqC8

Trying to determine what happened with VA 372.  The CTB reference did not make me believe it was entirely decommissioned.  And they also do not announce placing new routes into service every time that happens.

VDOT has a mileage report that includes a table with number of state institution miles in each district. State Parks have their own column. Both Abingdon and Pocahontas are in the Bristol District.

2005 says 9.64 miles of these routes in Bristol District.  This should be VA 330, VA 361, VA 365, VA 369, VA 372, VA 382 and VA 387 and checking my website the mileages are reasonably close.

2007 drops it to 8.40 miles

2013 raises it back to 9.64 miles

2017 raises it to 17.92 but lowers state parks to 0.58 (from 10.21).  Other district had this phenomenon too, zeroing out some state park mileage entirely.  Statewide state parks dropped from 31.82 to 13.45 while institutions went from 77.15 to 111.46.  Now (2021) it is 123.8 and 6.62.

2021 has 17.10 with state parks at 0.58.

Pocahontas Correctional Facility opened in 2007.  The route shown on arcgis as VA 372 is 0.5 miles long.  The arcgis has a recency date of 2/2/21 which is not necessarily the first date.

it appears the open 3xx numbers are 317, 357, 386 (still on arcgis), 392 (still on arcgis)

Are you sure about 317? It's still listed as active in the VDOT traffic logs for Staunton in 2021. However, VA 333 has not been in them for some time.

Also, VA 386 is not only on arcgis, but on Google Maps as well, and was actually reposted in the field recently. When I went to Virginia International Raceway (off VA 119) in August 2019, the secondary route that replaced 386 (going off advance signage I assume 883) was posted instead, and advance signage has a JCT SR 883 sign still present.

[WillWeaverRVA]

So I was looking at the VDOT ArcGIS map after posting a sign error in Abingdon on Facebook the other day and noticed that VA 372 no longer exists at Virginia Highlands Community College. It appears it was decommissioned in 2005, but it's still posted. (CTB minutes)

The 140 and 372 circles?

yes (2021 GMSV) - https://goo.gl/maps/NLGXAfL35dKo9zqC8

Trying to determine what happened with VA 372.  The CTB reference did not make me believe it was entirely decommissioned.  And they also do not announce placing new routes into service every time that happens.

VDOT has a mileage report that includes a table with number of state institution miles in each district. State Parks have their own column. Both Abingdon and Pocahontas are in the Bristol District.

2005 says 9.64 miles of these routes in Bristol District.  This should be VA 330, VA 361, VA 365, VA 369, VA 372, VA 382 and VA 387 and checking my website the mileages are reasonably close.

2007 drops it to 8.40 miles

2013 raises it back to 9.64 miles

2017 raises it to 17.92 but lowers state parks to 0.58 (from 10.21).  Other district had this phenomenon too, zeroing out some state park mileage entirely.  Statewide state parks dropped from 31.82 to 13.45 while institutions went from 77.15 to 111.46.  Now (2021) it is 123.8 and 6.62.

2021 has 17.10 with state parks at 0.58.

Pocahontas Correctional Facility opened in 2007.  The route shown on arcgis as VA 372 is 0.5 miles long.  The arcgis has a recency date of 2/2/21 which is not necessarily the first date.

it appears the open 3xx numbers are 317, 357, 386 (still on arcgis), 392 (still on arcgis)

The 2021 traffic data lists VHCC Dr as being a town route rather than primary, but strangely enough it's completely missing from the Washington County and Abingdon traffic data logs prior to 2006.

[Mapmikey]

Are you sure about 317? It's still listed as active in the VDOT traffic logs for Staunton in 2021. However, VA 333 has not been in them for some time.

Also, VA 386 is not only on arcgis, but on Google Maps as well, and was actually reposted in the field recently. When I went to Virginia International Raceway (off VA 119) in August 2019, the secondary route that replaced 386 (going off advance signage I assume 883) was posted instead, and advance signage has a JCT SR 883 sign still present.

The traffic logs have to be scrutinized with what they say.  Most of the 3xx routes are not on them.  It also has inaccuracies - 337 ALT in Portsmouth is still shown to meet US 58/VA 141 even though VA 164 made that impossible several years ago.  They even give it a different traffic count every year.

317 was on VDOT's on-line map several years ago, but is definitely not on the current arcgis.  Its inclusion on the traffic log made me believe it existed even though it made no sense given that VA 333 served the correctional facility, which closed in early 2000s.  VA 317 served a road that leads to condos that were built after the state relinquished the property and 2009 GMSV shows signs touting the condos and the road looked newly rehabbed.

Odd regarding VA 386, but another shield error with the circle 386...

[Takumi]

Technically the circle isn't the error there

When was the last time the CTB released a route log? 2007?

[Mapmikey]

Technically the circle isn't the error there

When was the last time the CTB released a route log? 2007?

2003. I emailed VDOT several years ago asking if that was ever going to be updated. The response acted like I was crazy for asking.

[Takumi]

At this point it needs to be, with several 3xx routes' existence in dispute.

[froggie]

At this point, I would hazard a bet that whatever GIS dataset VDOT submits to FHWA to meet ARNOLD requirements is now considered their "route log"...

[Takumi]

I don’t think this has been posted here yet, but a couple years ago the city of Suffolk voted to replace the demolished Kings Highway Bridge with a new bridge to the south, crossing the river at an extension of Five Mile Road where it would go due west to VA 10/32. This was chosen over the original location, despite being more expensive, due to potential traffic concerns on the west side of the river. Presumably VA 125 would be rerouted if this ever comes to fruition.
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/suffolk/suffolk-city-staff-recommends-rebuilding-kings-highway-bridge-on-new-route/

https://www.suffolknewsherald.com/2021/10/20/council-approves-fund-search-for-new-kings-highway-bridge/

As of today it appears to still be unfunded.

[WillWeaverRVA]

I don't think this has been posted here yet, but a couple years ago the city of Suffolk voted to replace the demolished Kings Highway Bridge with a new bridge to the south, crossing the river at an extension of Five Mile Road where it would go due west to VA 10/32. This was chosen over the original location, despite being more expensive, due to potential traffic concerns on the west side of the river. Presumably VA 125 would be rerouted if this ever comes to fruition.
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/suffolk/suffolk-city-staff-recommends-rebuilding-kings-highway-bridge-on-new-route/

https://www.suffolknewsherald.com/2021/10/20/council-approves-fund-search-for-new-kings-highway-bridge/

As of today it appears to still be unfunded.

I'm honestly surprised VA 125 hasn't just been decommissioned as it doesn't really serve much of a purpose, and I'm not sure how useful it would still be if the bridge is replaced, given that you can pretty much use Crittenden Road to make the same connection.

[WillWeaverRVA]

The AP Hill monument in the middle of the Hermitage Rd (VA 161) and Laburnum Ave (VA 197) intersection in north Richmond has been removed and the site paved over, but the result is a weirdly configured intersection where lots of accidents occur (granted, this was also a major problem when the monument was still there). This intersection would probably benefit from a roundabout (and the ROW exists for it) but Richmond City Council passed an ordinance in the mid-2000s prohibiting a roundabout from being built here. That ordinance probably needs to be repealed.

I've also seen ideas about prohibiting left turns at this intersection, but the side roads are inadequate for making the missing connections.

https://twitter.com/ImBrendanKing/status/1613850204435894272