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Started by Joseph R P, June 08, 2022, 05:01:05 PM

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QuoteIn a partisan vote Tuesday, the Prince William Board of County Supervisors took into consideration a new design proposed by the transportation department for the Route 28 bypass project.

The board's consideration of the new design allows the transit office to attempt to move forward in negotiations with Fairfax County leaders to potentially move along the stalled project that some officials believe is past the point of resuscitation.

Once the initial design work is complete, the board will decide between the originally proposed alignment, the new one or to not complete the final design work and stop the project.

The new design would bypass the section of existing Route 28, which is Centreville Road, in Prince William by extending Godwin Drive across Sudley Road as a four-lane divided roadway with a shared-use path and connect with Route 28 at a signalized intersection north of Bull Run Stream in Fairfax County, according to county documents.

There will be no tie-in with Lomond Drive, as officials say that would be disruptive to the neighborhood there. A new, longer and taller bridge over Bull Run and through the Bull Run Regional Park would replace the current bridge there.

Many houses would need to be knocked down and residents displaced in Prince William County near Alleghany and Boundary avenues for the bypass to be constructed, including several in the Bull Run Mobile Home Community.



Fairfax buy in
The project is still in its design and engineering phase. What was presented Tuesday is still considered preliminary and potentially subject to change in the future.

The new design's right-of-way faces an uphill battle with the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, which has been at an impasse on the project for years. According to Canizales, consultants said the project is possible without entering Fairfax County, which leaders in the county next door seem to support. But going that route would affect more homes and businesses in Prince William. Still, the option could be considered by the board, Canizales said.

Intended to alleviate congestion along Route 28, the controversial four-lane road was approved by the Board of County Supervisors in September 2020. The Northern Virginia Transportation Authority has allocated $89 million for the project. Any costs not covered by the NVTA or other grants would come from a Prince William infrastructure bond referendum approved by voters in 2019.

Preliminary traffic analysis done by the county's transportation department projects that 25 years out, the project would ease congestion on Route 28, Sudley Road and Liberia Avenue in Manassas and other thoroughfares.

But in and around the two termini of the road, on Centreville Road in Fairfax and Godwin Drive in Prince William, the projections are for slightly worsening traffic. That analysis also included the potential for an eight-lane Route 28 in the area of the bypass, as is currently envisioned by Fairfax's long-range plan.

'Kill the whole bloody thing'
Following tense exchanges among Prince William supervisors, the new path forward was backed by the Democratic majority of Chair Ann Wheeler, Neabsco Supervisor Victor Angry, Occoquan Supervisor Kenny Boddye and Potomac Supervisor Andrea Bailey.

Republicans Gainesville Supervisor Bob Weir, Coles Supervisor Yesli Vega and Brentsville Supervisor Jeanine Lawson opposed the measure.

Woodbridge Supervisor Margaret Franklin was absent and did not vote.

Republicans were angry that Democrats insisted on moving forward with a project they characterized as "dead," since some officials believe cooperation from Fairfax County is out of reach.

"Why don't we just call it a day and be done with this once and for all? ... Perhaps it's just time to kill the whole bloody thing and save us some time and money and some aggravation," Weir said. "It's pretty clear nobody wants it except certain vested interests."

Democrats were more optimistic about the future of the proposal. Wheeler maintained there remains great interest in the project among residents who wish to see a reduction in traffic congestion.

"The truth is, it is not dead," Wheeler said. "It's still on the table."

Republicans also raised concerns about the residents who would be displaced and were frustrated with the lack of answers from Canizales about what will be done to relocate them.

"Let's not forget, madam chair, that you and the majority preach this big game about equity and inclusion, about advocating for Black and brown communities – you can't have it both ways," Vega said to Wheeler. "The bulk of the people that you're displacing are members of minority communities, are they not? But now, all of a sudden, that doesn't matter."
https://wtop.com/virginia/2023/10/prince-william-supervisors-consider-new-route-28-bypass-design-in-partisan-vote/

Alright, well I now am totally against this boondoggle.
First, after the I66 mess in PWC, followed by the data center fiasco, and the proposal to open up the rural crescent for development, I now have no confidence any road improvements in PWC are intended to actually provide relief and instead are really to allow for more and more future sprawl that otherwise would never be possible. 
-The I-66 toll lanes in PWC stole one free lane, and the expansion has provided the excuse that west PWC can support more housing than otherwise when in fact the expansion has made 66W worse in PWC.
- Now, this project also is advertising itself as traffic relief with more capacity when in fact the sole purpose is to show more capacity exists to justify more development in west PWC and Culpepper.

Second, Fairfax's reluctance says it all.  Fairfax does not want this project in their county because the models show this will actually make traffic LOS WORSE in the intersection vicinity.  Like the I-66 tolls, this is going to create worse intersections at the terminus because they will not make it grade separated.  Instead this road will induce more volume and cancel out the current 28 expansion relief in Fairfax.
The Fairfax people know this and want the blame/ire all on PWC.

This is such a bad project, if you are going to build a bypass then do it right.
Have:
- Grade separate terminus at the junction with 28, at the very least
- Expand/improve the bridge over bull run
- Ideally have the entire segment be a real bypass, like Route 168, with no signals or at least the terminus in both areas be signal free

I am so glad I no longer work in local county transportation and have to sign off to these kinds of awful projects.


Joseph R P


Joseph R P

Drove through the Brentsville Interchange southbound on 234 yesterday, all ramps appear to be open to traffic. Shared-use paths and various other finishing touches remain under construction, however.

Joseph R P

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Prince William Transportation Projects In Proposed NVTA 6-Year Funding

QuoteFor the Fiscal Year 2024-2029 Six Year Program, Prince William submitted a request for $172 million to fund five projects:

* Route 234 and Sudley Manor Road interchange: $115 million
* Route 234 bicycle and pedestrian facility over I-95: $12 million:
* The Landing at Prince William Transit Center: $25 million
* Triangle mobility hub and first/last mile connection improvements: $10 million
* Route 234 operational improvements: $10 million

Would be nice to see more grade-separation improvements to 234. Also cool to see they're proposing more ways for pedestrians to cross over 95.

A roundabout at Sudley Road/Centreville Road is also included in this program: Manassas Roundabout Project In Proposed NVTA 6-Year Funding

Joseph R P

The groundbreaking for the Summit School Road extension to Telegraph is finally happening this afternoon.

Joseph R P

Drove along the newly-widened Neabsco Mills Road recently. It feels less wide and not as smooth as the rest of SR 638 towards Opitz, and its speed limit has been dropped from 40 to 35 in that section. Also, heading south towards Route 1 right by the abandoned under-construction megachurch, there is a State Route 1 shield instead of a US Route 1 shield.

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Joseph R P on July 22, 2024, 01:56:44 PMDrove along the newly-widened Neabsco Mills Road recently. It feels less wide and not as smooth as the rest of SR 638 towards Opitz, and its speed limit has been dropped from 40 to 35 in that section. Also, heading south towards Route 1 right by the abandoned under-construction megachurch, there is a State Route 1 shield instead of a US Route 1 shield.

Get a picture before it gets replaced! The only other known VA 1 shield is all the way down in the southside.
Will Weaver
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Mapmikey

I went and got it a couple days ago...sorry about the resolution - there wasn't a good spot to pull over right next to it..


1995hoo

Wow, not just a state shield, but a very ugly state shield. It seems like more and more it's turning into just a blob.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Mapmikey on July 27, 2024, 11:10:48 AMI went and got it a couple days ago...sorry about the resolution - there wasn't a good spot to pull over right next to it..



Holy crap, that reminds me of the ugly VA 10 shield that was in Hopewell until a couple of years ago. At least it's the right font.
Will Weaver
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"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

74/171FAN

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 27, 2024, 04:13:39 PMHoly crap, that reminds me of the ugly VA 10 shield that was in Hopewell until a couple of years ago. At least it's the right font.

It is still there last I saw.  I generally go by here whenever I visit my parents so I will probably find out fairly quickly if/when it is gone.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218792928294795&set=a.10218793136620003)

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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: 74/171FAN on July 27, 2024, 04:51:01 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 27, 2024, 04:13:39 PMHoly crap, that reminds me of the ugly VA 10 shield that was in Hopewell until a couple of years ago. At least it's the right font.

It is still there last I saw.  I generally go by here whenever I visit my parents so I will probably find out fairly quickly if/when it is gone.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218792928294795&set=a.10218793136620003)



That's a different ugly VA 10 shield, the one I'm talking about is the one that was on VA 156 and was replaced with ugly US 10 and US 156 shields.
Will Weaver
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74/171FAN

Yeah, they are both so similar that I thought the one I posted was replaced when the other one was first reported as replaced on here.
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74/171FAN

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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 14, 2024, 12:48:37 PMI wonder how many people saw this VA 28 project and learned for the first time that Manassas Park has a VA 213.

It'd be nice if it were signed. I asked Danica Roem about it and she suspects that Manassas Park doesn't bother signing it since no one knows it as VA 213. It's such an insignificant route, though, so maybe it should be decommissioned?
Will Weaver
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Mapmikey

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on August 14, 2024, 01:42:06 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 14, 2024, 12:48:37 PMI wonder how many people saw this VA 28 project and learned for the first time that Manassas Park has a VA 213.

It'd be nice if it were signed. I asked Danica Roem about it and she suspects that Manassas Park doesn't bother signing it since no one knows it as VA 213. It's such an insignificant route, though, so maybe it should be decommissioned?

VA 213 was minimally signed (on VA 28 SB) until about 2000.

Since they changed how independent cities get their road money, it no longer carries any benefit to have a defined primary route just within the city.  All of the following routes could be decommissioned on that basis, especially since a lot of them aren't signed anymore.  I'm sure others could be argued as well.

VA 34, VA 113, VA 128, VA 188, VA 192, VA 213, VA 246, VA 403, VA 404, VA 405, VA 420

Joseph R P




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