Sacramento Business 80

[mrsman]

The east-west portion of business 80 seems to generally be signed exclusively as US 50 from 80/50 in West Sacramento to the Oak Park interchange.

At least that's what appears on the overhead signs and the larger signs at street corners.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sancho's+Mariscos+%26+Mexican+Food/@38.5767902,-121.5487517,3a,75y,205.7h,81.27t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNASvvI3gvO52rG3chcmSkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DNASvvI3gvO52rG3chcmSkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D50.22168%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x809ad0e35c200aef:0xa947b11a4c18e97e!8m2!3d38.559746!4d-121.485912!16s%2Fg%2F1tgdcnr4?entry=ttu


However, at freeway entrance signage, it appears that the business 80 shield is still used.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sancho's+Mariscos+%26+Mexican+Food/@38.5763486,-121.5489085,3a,75y,202.98h,78.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssS3HBx1zB7rnFCbmVa7t5Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x809ad0e35c200aef:0xa947b11a4c18e97e!8m2!3d38.559746!4d-121.485912!16s%2Fg%2F1tgdcnr4?entry=ttu

Does anyone know if there is any timeline to address the discrepancy?  Will these Biz 80 shields ever be replaced with US 50?

[jrouse]

I was acquainted with the engineer who developed the plans that removed the Business 80 designation off of US-50. (He was never a fan of multiplex signing).  He said that the street level signs would be taken care of either by Caltrans maintenance forces over time or by the cities.  There was never any formal plan to replace all those signs and I still don't think there is.

[bing101]

The east-west portion of business 80 seems to generally be signed exclusively as US 50 from 80/50 in West Sacramento to the Oak Park interchange.

At least that's what appears on the overhead signs and the larger signs at street corners.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sancho's+Mariscos+%26+Mexican+Food/@38.5767902,-121.5487517,3a,75y,205.7h,81.27t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNASvvI3gvO52rG3chcmSkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DNASvvI3gvO52rG3chcmSkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D50.22168%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x809ad0e35c200aef:0xa947b11a4c18e97e!8m2!3d38.559746!4d-121.485912!16s%2Fg%2F1tgdcnr4?entry=ttu


However, at freeway entrance signage, it appears that the business 80 shield is still used.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sancho's+Mariscos+%26+Mexican+Food/@38.5763486,-121.5489085,3a,75y,202.98h,78.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssS3HBx1zB7rnFCbmVa7t5Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x809ad0e35c200aef:0xa947b11a4c18e97e!8m2!3d38.559746!4d-121.485912!16s%2Fg%2F1tgdcnr4?entry=ttu

Does anyone know if there is any timeline to address the discrepancy?  Will these Biz 80 shields ever be replaced with US 50?

This is at least a decade when there was the Fix 50 project when the west end US-50 aka i-305 was renovated up to the CA-51 interchange.

[The Ghostbuster]

Google Maps no longer shows Interstate 305 markers along the Business 80/US 50 segment of the Capital City Freeway (there used to be a few between Interstate 80 and Interstate 5). However, there is a CA 51 marker north of the Business 80/US 50/CA 99 interchange: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.567191,-121.4700661,330m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu.

[Max Rockatansky]

Why would Google show either?  I-305 is a hidden menu FHWA item that isn't even recognized by the state of California.  CA 51 is referenced only on route via Postmile paddles.

[Rothman]

Why would Google show either?  I-305 is a hidden menu FHWA item that isn't even recognized by the state of California.  CA 51 is referenced only on route via Postmile paddles.

Makes me wonder if CA still claims the Interstate mileage for 90% eligibility.

[Max Rockatansky]

Why would Google show either?  I-305 is a hidden menu FHWA item that isn't even recognized by the state of California.  CA 51 is referenced only on route via Postmile paddles.

Makes me wonder if CA still claims the Interstate mileage for 90% eligibility.

It does.  I-305 shows up on the FHWA charts as a chargeable corridor.

[cl94]

Why would Google show either?  I-305 is a hidden menu FHWA item that isn't even recognized by the state of California.  CA 51 is referenced only on route via Postmile paddles.

Makes me wonder if CA still claims the Interstate mileage for 90% eligibility.

It does.  I-305 shows up on the FHWA charts as a chargeable corridor.

Just like BL 80 "officially" doesn't exist in the Caltrans logs. As far as Caltrans is concerned, it's all 50 or 51, and I remember hearing that 51 being signed as BL 80 is written into law. They would probably be more than happy to sign it as 51 and call it a day. As it is, it's one of the very few business routes in California entirely under state maintenance.

For those unfamilar: not only does CA not officially recognize concurrencies, routes are written into law. I-305 was thrown on top of already-existing US 50 when I-80 was officially moved onto the I-880 bypass. 305 as it exists is entirely planned (but never designated) 80.

[ZLoth]

If memory serves me correctly, a "Business Route" isn't an official routing designation. For an interstate highway, a "business route" is usually a regular road, usually signalized, that is a loop off the main interstate. Business 80 in Sacramento doesn't quite meet that standard, but has a convoluted history.

When the Interstate system was first set up, Business 80 was grandfathered in as Interstate 80, however, the section from Watt Ave to CA-99 was NOT to Interstate standards. There were plans to replace that section, but they were barely begun in the 1970s, cancelled, and the section that was constructed was repurposed to be parking for the north end of Sacramento Regional Transit (SacRT) Light Rail system. As a result, there was some re-routings including Interstate 880 (completed in 1971) being redesignated in 1983 as Interstate 80, with Interstate 880 being reused in the SF Bay Area. What was Interstate 80 got designated as Business Route 80 with two hidden routes: CA-51 from Watt Ave to CA-99 which you won't usually see except on CHP Incident Reports, and Interstate 305 which is the section of US-50 between Interstate 80 and CA-99.

I have a few choice words about CA-51. Despite the population of the metro area growing from 748,000 in 1977 to 2,054,000 in 2018, there was never any effort to expand the capacity of that section of road. The section from E Street to El Camino (including Arden Way) is a notorious choke point with the section between Exposition Blvd to Arden Way being noted for just having two through lanes, and being jammed even on a Sunday afternoon.

[Max Rockatansky]

AASHTO sees Business Routes as official designations for the US Routes and Interstates.  The state does not legislatively recognize Business Routes but they used to have a master list (which I have saved somewhere).  In the case of I-80BL is mandated by the state to be signed, but only on CA 51.

[cahwyguy]

When the Interstate system was first set up, Business 80 was grandfathered in as Interstate 80, however, the section from Watt Ave to CA-99 was NOT to Interstate standards. There were plans to replace that section, but they were barely begun in the 1970s, cancelled, and the section that was constructed was repurposed to be parking for the north end of Sacramento Regional Transit (SacRT) Light Rail system. As a result, there was some re-routings including Interstate 880 (completed in 1971) being redesignated in 1983 as Interstate 80, with Interstate 880 being reused in the SF Bay Area. What was Interstate 80 got designated as Business Route 80 with two hidden routes: CA-51 from Watt Ave to CA-99 which you won't usually see except on CHP Incident Reports, and Interstate 305 which is the section of US-50 between Interstate 80 and CA-99.

Except that you're wrong on the 2nd hidden route. The portion from Route 99 to the I-80 in the West was legislatively an extension of US 50, although no actual change to the legislative definition was required as the western end of US 50 was defined already as I-80. "I-305" has NEVER been defined in the legislative code; FAI 305 is defined on paper as a funding mechanism for a portion of US 50 that was constructed and maintained with interstate funds.

[bing101]

Back in 2014 Caltrans removed the Business 80 shields off the BGS when referring to the west end of US-50 and refered the section between I-80 in West Sacramento to CA-51/CA-99 interchange to simply US-50 in the area. I understand some of the long time locals call the west end of US-50 as WX freeway but for people who came in later it's called Capital City freeway. But CA-51 is also called Cap City Freeway too even though some locals call it the Elvas Freeway.

[cl94]

AASHTO sees Business Routes as official designations for the US Routes and Interstates.  The state does not legislatively recognize Business Routes but they used to have a master list (which I have saved somewhere).  In the case of I-80BL is mandated by the state to be signed, but only on CA 51.

Master list, but it's like 25 years out of date. Caltrans has apparently deleted at least 2 of the BRs on said list (I-80 BL in Truckee and SR 20 BL in Williams). The Williams deletion is very recent, as Caltrans only removed signs along its roads within the past year or two. Truckee has been gone for like 20 years.

[Max Rockatansky]

AASHTO sees Business Routes as official designations for the US Routes and Interstates.  The state does not legislatively recognize Business Routes but they used to have a master list (which I have saved somewhere).  In the case of I-80BL is mandated by the state to be signed, but only on CA 51.

Master list, but it's like 25 years out of date. Caltrans has apparently deleted at least 2 of the BRs on said list (I-80 BL in Truckee and SR 20 BL in Williams). The Williams deletion is very recent, as Caltrans only removed signs along its roads within the past year or two. Truckee has been gone for like 20 years.

Business 198 disappeared in 2017 when I lived in Hanford.  The only signage at the time was along East Lacey Boulevard.

[SeriesE]

Now that I think of it, Sacramento could have have their cake (light rail) and eat it too (new freeway). The new freeway should've been built as planned and then the old I-80 rebuilt as a light rail corridor.

[dbz77]

AASHTO sees Business Routes as official designations for the US Routes and Interstates.  The state does not legislatively recognize Business Routes but they used to have a master list (which I have saved somewhere).  In the case of I-80BL is mandated by the state to be signed, but only on CA 51.

Master list, but it's like 25 years out of date. Caltrans has apparently deleted at least 2 of the BRs on said list (I-80 BL in Truckee and SR 20 BL in Williams). The Williams deletion is very recent, as Caltrans only removed signs along its roads within the past year or two. Truckee has been gone for like 20 years.

Business 198 disappeared in 2017 when I lived in Hanford.  The only signage at the time was along East Lacey Boulevard.

It is a miracle that a 198 fvreeway was even built there at the time, considering the contemporary population.

Maybe it helped that the freeway would service a major naval air station...

[Max Rockatansky]

AASHTO sees Business Routes as official designations for the US Routes and Interstates.  The state does not legislatively recognize Business Routes but they used to have a master list (which I have saved somewhere).  In the case of I-80BL is mandated by the state to be signed, but only on CA 51.

Master list, but it's like 25 years out of date. Caltrans has apparently deleted at least 2 of the BRs on said list (I-80 BL in Truckee and SR 20 BL in Williams). The Williams deletion is very recent, as Caltrans only removed signs along its roads within the past year or two. Truckee has been gone for like 20 years.

Business 198 disappeared in 2017 when I lived in Hanford.  The only signage at the time was along East Lacey Boulevard.

It is a miracle that a 198 fvreeway was even built there at the time, considering the contemporary population.

Maybe it helped that the freeway would service a major naval air station...

That's the exact reason it was built in the early 1960s.  The Air Station needed a better way of getting troops onto the base than the ladder alignment of 198 on Lacey, 14th, Hanford-Armona, 19th 1/2 and Jackson could provide.

[thsftw]

I always wondered why there were freeways in that area of the valley that don't really connect to anything else...

[Concrete Bob]

The 1959 California Master Plan for Freeways and Expressways designated SR 198 as a Freeway/Expressway from I-5 in the west to the National Park at the east end:

https://archive.org/details/cavol3738liforniahighwa195859calirich/page/n427/mode/2up?view=theater

(PDF page 428 of 744)