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Started by Zeffy, September 22, 2014, 12:00:32 AM

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vdeane

I believe NY 85 got a crack and seat treatment (basically, a giant hammer breaks up the pavement and then a very heavy truck drives over it to set it back in place) to make the concrete behave more like asphalt, which should prevent that.  Ditto for Washington Avenue Extension (which I KNOW got a crack and seat because I was there).  Not sure why the complete reconstruction option for the southern part of NY 85 was abandoned, but rehabilitation of that section was one of the alternatives.

I-88, alas, did not get a crack and seat.  The rutting is already visible and the pavement is only a year old on the WB side.
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cl94

NY 85 did get a crack and seat. There won't be as much in the way of reflective cracking, but it'll show through in a few years because the joints are still there. Just hope it isn't like the overlays Region 5 did over the past couple years that started showing after a couple months.

I don't know why Region 1 didn't just do a partial- or full-depth when they had their entire stretch of I-88 contraflowed in 2003 to address major bridge issues. Pavement condition was poor back then and it took them over 10 years to do an overlay.
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empirestate

Crack. And seat. </butthead>


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Jim

Thought I had my own picture, but I don't see one so this will have to suffice:

https://goo.gl/maps/39p12StgGDL2

This sign, WB just beyond 25A in Rotterdam, was there this morning on my way to Albany, but gone and loaded onto trucks on my way home this afternoon.  I mean not just the signs but I believe the whole thing.  It looked like the crews were working on affixing new signs to the overpass just beyond and were painting some new arrows in the left lane.  I won't be back through that stretch in daylight until Monday to see the ultimate results.  They definitely need the "lane ends" signage, but the I-90 Buffalo green sign always seemed pretty useless.  Yes, you're on I-90 West toward Buffalo but there's nothing you can do about it until you get to Exit 26...

It has always shocked me how many people seem to be taken completely by surprise when their lane ends there.

The lane drop there is very unfortunate, as it occurs on a fairly significant uphill segment that often causes side-by-side trucks to slow traffic to well below the limit.  A third "no trucks" lane until the top of the upgrade would really help.  I assume it's hard/expensive to do so because of the next overpass a little way up carrying Putnam Rd.
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amroad17

Quote from: Buffaboy on December 03, 2015, 06:30:05 PM
Something about this toll plaza strikes me as odd...but I can't put my finger on it.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.906288,-74.5668675,3a,75y,74.2h,77.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4MflXyWrcXiUaOCrp8KUdA!2e0!5s20140901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
The space at that plaza probably is needed for the double- and triple-trailer trucks that roam the Thruway.  Or, the Thruway Authority decided to use the former parking lot of some store as a toll plaza.
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cl94

Quote from: amroad17 on December 03, 2015, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: Buffaboy on December 03, 2015, 06:30:05 PM
Something about this toll plaza strikes me as odd...but I can't put my finger on it.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.906288,-74.5668675,3a,75y,74.2h,77.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4MflXyWrcXiUaOCrp8KUdA!2e0!5s20140901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
The space at that plaza probably is needed for the double- and triple-trailer trucks that roam the Thruway.  Or, the Thruway Authority decided to use the former parking lot of some store as a toll plaza.

Tandem parking. It's so odd because of the former Beech-Nut factory right there. Now that the factory has closed, I wonder if it will be rebuilt into something more conventional.
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Buffaboy

Quote from: cl94 on December 03, 2015, 08:02:08 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on December 03, 2015, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: Buffaboy on December 03, 2015, 06:30:05 PM
Something about this toll plaza strikes me as odd...but I can't put my finger on it.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.906288,-74.5668675,3a,75y,74.2h,77.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4MflXyWrcXiUaOCrp8KUdA!2e0!5s20140901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
The space at that plaza probably is needed for the double- and triple-trailer trucks that roam the Thruway.  Or, the Thruway Authority decided to use the former parking lot of some store as a toll plaza.

Tandem parking. It's so odd because of the former Beech-Nut factory right there. Now that the factory has closed, I wonder if it will be rebuilt into something more conventional.

Something else I noticed was that the booth itself looks like it's original, but I don't really know.
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Jim

About the Exit 29 toll booths referenced here, the view is completely different now.  The portion of the old Beech Nut plant adjacent to the ramp has been demolished, but many large piles of rubble remain on the site.
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cl94

Quote from: Jim on December 03, 2015, 10:02:11 PM
About the Exit 29 toll booths referenced here, the view is completely different now.  The portion of the old Beech Nut plant adjacent to the ramp has been demolished, but many large piles of rubble remain on the site.

That's recent. I don't remember the plant being gone when I was through there a couple months ago, but I may not have been paying attention.

Booth is definitely original. If a set of toll booth only has 3 lanes, it's original.
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cl94

Quote from: Buffaboy on December 11, 2015, 10:51:37 AM
Why did they put a "rough road" sign here? I drove through here over the summer, I could've sworn I never saw this.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5826701,-79.063615,3a,18y,266.18h,87.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stiyk-J4y_XF07hjUaWRr8Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Spring or summer. Seneca Nation isn't allowing NYSTA to reconstruct the highway over a treaty dispute. That's why the limit was lowered to 55.
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seicer

And the same reason why reconstruction of I-86 (NY 17, when it was built in 1995) was held up for so long - and why it took so long to complete, in the southern tier. Even building the road took quite a few years because of extensive holdups.

vdeane

Is there a reason why the state didn't get an agreement allowing them to maintain the road when they got the agreement allowing them to build the road?  The two would seem to go together to me.

Quote from: cl94 on December 11, 2015, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Buffaboy on December 11, 2015, 10:51:37 AM
Why did they put a "rough road" sign here? I drove through here over the summer, I could've sworn I never saw this.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5826701,-79.063615,3a,18y,266.18h,87.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stiyk-J4y_XF07hjUaWRr8Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Spring or summer. Seneca Nation isn't allowing NYSTA to reconstruct the highway over a treaty dispute. That's why the limit was lowered to 55.
Is it a "real" 55 zone or a work zone?  Street view appears to indicate the latter near the overpass project... couldn't find evidence of any other 55 zones in the area.
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cl94

Quote from: vdeane on December 11, 2015, 01:53:34 PM
Is there a reason why the state didn't get an agreement allowing them to maintain the road when they got the agreement allowing them to build the road?  The two would seem to go together to me.

Quote from: cl94 on December 11, 2015, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Buffaboy on December 11, 2015, 10:51:37 AM
Why did they put a "rough road" sign here? I drove through here over the summer, I could've sworn I never saw this.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5826701,-79.063615,3a,18y,266.18h,87.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stiyk-J4y_XF07hjUaWRr8Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Spring or summer. Seneca Nation isn't allowing NYSTA to reconstruct the highway over a treaty dispute. That's why the limit was lowered to 55.
Is it a "real" 55 zone or a work zone?  Street view appears to indicate the latter near the overpass project... couldn't find evidence of any other 55 zones in the area.

It's real. Confirmed by NYSTA today. A NYSTA rep gave a presentation in one of my classes this morning. Both those and the rough road signs are on Z-bars. They have no timeline as to when it'll get fixed because of a dispute over the terms of the easement. SNI claims the easement has expired and refuses to do much negotiation until Cuomo backs off on the casino revenue.
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vdeane

Are the limits exact with the reservation?  If it's permanent I should update my exit list.
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cl94

Quote from: vdeane on December 11, 2015, 03:49:42 PM
Are the limits exact with the reservation?  If it's permanent I should update my exit list.

Goes down 0.2 miles outside the reservation on each side. Increases back to 65 just past Exit 58 WB and where the reconstructed section begins EB. Again, it is semi-permanent per NYSTA until the treaty stuff gets resolved and/or the state can work something out with the Senecas.
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Buffaboy

I wonder what SNI toll booths would look like/how they would work if they had implemented them a few years ago.
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cl94

Quote from: Buffaboy on December 11, 2015, 08:39:28 PM
I wonder what SNI toll booths would look like/how they would work if they had implemented them a few years ago.

As it currently works, New York pays a small amount per vehicle passing through the reservation. Thanks to ticket counts and E-ZPass data, it is relatively easy to determine the number. SNI doesn't have a beef against the people using the highway. The issues are with the state government that is violating federal treaties by trying to collect taxes on SNI land. Per Public Law 83-280 as stated by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, states cannot impose taxes on reservation land.
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Rothman

The incident where the Senecas dropped burning tires onto the Thruway back in 1992 has scarred relations between NY and SNI ever since.

Also, the USACE treatment of the villages that were connected by the Red House Bridge didn't help matters, either!

Blunder after blunder...
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jwolfer

Quote from: cl94 on November 28, 2015, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2015, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on November 28, 2015, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 28, 2015, 07:05:03 PM
It says Boston to stay on the Thruway, but coming into this interchange from the north on I-87 it says to use free I-90 to Boston.

Also the Mass Pike Shield is nice off to the side of the Thruway shield.
The free I-90 is the cheaper way. Some people don't know about this and take the more expensive route by staying on I-87.

I notice that states will always direct traffic onto the toll road, even when the free way is the best way.

See: Portland as a control city on I-95 at the I-295/95 junction in West Gardiner, Maine. Even though I-295 goes through downtown Portland.

No, it's called toll authorities encouraging traffic to use their highways. In most of these cases, the toll authority placed the signage.
The toll authority is the state

Rothman

Quote from: jwolfer on December 12, 2015, 01:13:41 AM
Quote from: cl94 on November 28, 2015, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2015, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on November 28, 2015, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 28, 2015, 07:05:03 PM
It says Boston to stay on the Thruway, but coming into this interchange from the north on I-87 it says to use free I-90 to Boston.

Also the Mass Pike Shield is nice off to the side of the Thruway shield.
The free I-90 is the cheaper way. Some people don't know about this and take the more expensive route by staying on I-87.

I notice that states will always direct traffic onto the toll road, even when the free way is the best way.

See: Portland as a control city on I-95 at the I-295/95 junction in West Gardiner, Maine. Even though I-295 goes through downtown Portland.

No, it's called toll authorities encouraging traffic to use their highways. In most of these cases, the toll authority placed the signage.
The toll authority is the state

As has been stated over and over again in these forums: No, it is not.  Public authorities (including NYSTA) may be created by the state, but they operate totally outside of it (essentially "spun off" from state government).  That lack of accountability (despite some Governor-appointed board members) is one of the reasons why I hate them.
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froggie

One could argue that it's on a state-by-state basis.  Sure, in many states (especially your own) they are public or quasi-public authorities that operate in parallel to (as opposed to underneath) the state.  But that's not the case everywhere.  For example, the three tolled turnpikes in New Hampshire fall under NHDOT (basically "the state" as the term is being discussed here).  Likewise, the Mass Pike falls under MassDOT.  And Maryland's toll facilities fall under a subdivision of MDOT.

There's even a case where toll facilities fall directly under a city as opposed to a state or public authority (2 such facilities, soon to be 3, in Chesapeake, VA).

The Nature Boy

Quote from: froggie on December 12, 2015, 11:59:49 AM
One could argue that it's on a state-by-state basis.  Sure, in many states (especially your own) they are public or quasi-public authorities that operate in parallel to (as opposed to underneath) the state.  But that's not the case everywhere.  For example, the three tolled turnpikes in New Hampshire fall under NHDOT (basically "the state" as the term is being discussed here).  Likewise, the Mass Pike falls under MassDOT.  And Maryland's toll facilities fall under a subdivision of MDOT.

There's even a case where toll facilities fall directly under a city as opposed to a state or public authority (2 such facilities, soon to be 3, in Chesapeake, VA).


I'll do a mea culpa here and say that Maine's structure is similar to New York's. I had assumed that Maine's toll road structure was similar to NH and MA.

jwolfer

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Quote from: Rothman on December 12, 2015, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 12, 2015, 01:13:41 AM
Quote from: cl94 on November 28, 2015, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 28, 2015, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on November 28, 2015, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 28, 2015, 07:05:03 PM
It says Boston to stay on the Thruway, but coming into this interchange from the north on I-87 it says to use free I-90 to Boston.

Also the Mass Pike Shield is nice off to the side of the Thruway shield.
The free I-90 is the cheaper way. Some people don't know about this and take the more expensive route by staying on I-87.

I notice that states will always direct traffic onto the toll road, even when the free way is the best way.

See: Portland as a control city on I-95 at the I-295/95 junction in West Gardiner, Maine. Even though I-295 goes through downtown Portland.

No, it's called toll authorities encouraging traffic to use their highways. In most of these cases, the toll authority placed the signage.
The toll authority is the state

As has been stated over and over again in these forums: No, it is not.  Public authorities (including NYSTA) may be created by the state, but they operate totally outside of it (essentially "spun off" from state government).  That lack of accountability (despite some Governor-appointed board members) is one of the reasons why I hate them.
No need for your dickish tone... In my mind created by the state it is "the state".. Just a different division. No different from the myriad of bureaucratic agencies etc.



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