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Started by tradephoric, May 18, 2015, 02:51:37 PM

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kphoger

Quote from: tradephoric on February 10, 2025, 03:18:44 PMDoes that take away from the fact there are complex roundabouts being built to this day with very high crash rates?  The roundabout in Fishers being the latest example.  As long as engineers continue to design these complex roundabouts that experience triple-digit crashes per year, I'll continue to mention them. 

Has the Fishers roundabout (at 96th & Allisonville, opened in October) had triple-digit crashes per year?
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tradephoric

Quote from: kphoger on February 10, 2025, 03:32:43 PMHas the Fishers roundabout (at 96th & Allisonville, opened in October) had triple-digit crashes per year?

According to Fisher's Police there were 29 crashes at the 96th / Allisonville roundabout between October 29-December 11, 2024.  At that pace (0.65 crashes per day) the roundabout would average 240 crashes per year.  Unfortunately that's the latest crash data i have seen.  There was another documented crash involving a red Toyota RAV‑4 that flipped onto its side, shattering its windows on the evening of January 27th, 2025 (highlighted in article below):

Fishers considers delaying construction of roundabout at 116th and Allisonville
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/3792106435712-fishers-considers-delaying-construction-of-roundabout-at-116th-and-allisonville

The roundabout will see over 100 crashes in the first year of operations.  I'll give you 5 to 1 odds if you want to take the under.  Let me know if you want to take the bet.


kphoger

Quote from: tradephoric on February 10, 2025, 04:39:25 PMAccording to Fisher's Police there were 29 crashes at the 96th / Allisonville roundabout between October 29-December 11, 2024.  At that pace (0.65 crashes per day) the roundabout would average 240 crashes per year.  Unfortunately that's the latest crash data i have seen. ... I'll give you 5 to 1 odds if you want to take the under.  Let me know if you want to take the bet.

No, that's fine.  Thank you for providing the numbers.  But you didn't do that at first.  All you'd done was claim that the roundabout was an example of "the latest example" of "these complex roundabouts that experience triple-digit crashes per year" with no data to back up the claim.  Forgive me for having become skeptical and jaded.
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tradephoric

Quote from: kphoger on February 10, 2025, 04:47:16 PM
Quote from: tradephoric on February 10, 2025, 04:39:25 PMAccording to Fisher's Police there were 29 crashes at the 96th / Allisonville roundabout between October 29-December 11, 2024.  At that pace (0.65 crashes per day) the roundabout would average 240 crashes per year.  Unfortunately that's the latest crash data i have seen. ... I'll give you 5 to 1 odds if you want to take the under.  Let me know if you want to take the bet.

No, that's fine.  Thank you for providing the numbers.  But you didn't do that at first.  All you'd done was claim that the roundabout was an example of "the latest example" of "these complex roundabouts that experience triple-digit crashes per year" with no data to back up the claim.  Forgive me for having become skeptical and jaded.

Not a problem, i just had already cited that crash data previously on here.  There's really no reason to be skeptical or jaded as I'm pretty open with whatever data i have.

Quote from: tradephoric on January 06, 2025, 11:14:34 AM
Quote from: cjw2001 on January 04, 2025, 12:35:20 PMDrove through the 96th and Allisonville roundabout at noon today and traffic was flowing smoothly.  Looks like Fishers added the "to Both Lanes" under all the Yield signs within the last few days.

Did the original design call for the "to both lanes" signs be installed under the yield signs?  If not, that could indicate the city is already seeing a crash problem at the roundabout and are already tweaking with the signage. 

According to Fisher's Police there were 29 crashes at the new roundabout between October 29-December 11, 2024 compared to 7 crashes between October 29-December 11, 2023.  At that pace (0.65 crashes per day) the roundabout would average 240 crashes per year.  Not saying it ends up with 240 crashes per year, but the first 44 days of crash data at the new roundabout doesn't exudes confidence. 



kphoger

Quote from: tradephoric on February 10, 2025, 04:59:05 PMNot a problem, i just had already cited that crash data previously on here.

Ah, I hadn't scrolled back far enough.

Quote from: tradephoric on February 10, 2025, 04:59:05 PMThere's really no reason to be skeptical or jaded as I'm pretty open with whatever data i have.

There is, as long as you post news stories about lone incidents with no context to justify their location being called 'crash-prone'.
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