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Your state’s border crossings ranked

Started by thspfc, April 25, 2021, 03:19:22 PM

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JayhawkCO

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2021, 10:39:50 AM
Noob question: how do I find the AADT count on roads?

More or less a lot of Googling "XXX State AADT" and looking for Excel files, .pdfs, or downloadable searches on their GIS.  If you have a particular state, I can direct you towards the data that I've used.

Chris


Roadgeekteen

Quote from: jayhawkco on April 26, 2021, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2021, 10:39:50 AM
Noob question: how do I find the AADT count on roads?

More or less a lot of Googling "XXX State AADT" and looking for Excel files, .pdfs, or downloadable searches on their GIS.  If you have a particular state, I can direct you towards the data that I've used.

Chris
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OCGuy81

I can make an attempt at Oregon, without the data in front of me.

I-5 at Washington
I-205 at Washington (these are probably tied)

I-5 at California
I-84 at Idaho
I-82 at Washington
US-101 at Washington
US-97 at Washington
US-97 at California
US-101 at California
US-95 at Idaho
US-199 at California
US-395 at California
US-95 at Nevada
WA-433 at Washington (connects the Kelso-Longview area to Oregon....I *think* it's still WA-433 entering Oregon)
US-730 at Washington
ORr-35 at Washington
Bridge of the Gods connecting OR-WA
OR-11 at Washington
OR-140 at Nevada
OR-3 at Washington

Think that covers most of them, if not all.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2021, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on April 26, 2021, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2021, 10:39:50 AM
Noob question: how do I find the AADT count on roads?

More or less a lot of Googling "XXX State AADT" and looking for Excel files, .pdfs, or downloadable searches on their GIS.  If you have a particular state, I can direct you towards the data that I've used.

Chris
Massachusetts?

https://mhd.public.ms2soft.com/tcds/tsearch.asp?loc=Mhd&mod=

Then do an advanced search for route type and you should be able to download the data.

Chris

JayhawkCO

Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
I can make an attempt at Oregon, without the data in front of me.

I-5 at Washington
I-205 at Washington (these are probably tied)

I-5 at California
I-84 at Idaho
I-82 at Washington
US-101 at Washington
US-97 at Washington
US-97 at California
US-101 at California
US-95 at Idaho
US-199 at California
US-395 at California
US-95 at Nevada
WA-433 at Washington (connects the Kelso-Longview area to Oregon....I *think* it's still WA-433 entering Oregon)
US-730 at Washington
ORr-35 at Washington
Bridge of the Gods connecting OR-WA
OR-11 at Washington
OR-140 at Nevada
OR-3 at Washington

Think that covers most of them, if not all.

If you want to be exhaustive, looks like you're missing:
OR52 Idaho
US95Bus Idaho
OR332 Washington
OR39 California
OR205 Nevada

Otherwise not bad for off the top of your head.

Chris

webny99

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2021, 10:39:50 AM
Noob question: how do I find the AADT count on roads?

Come on, you're not a noob.  :D
Every state has their own site. I'd usually start by googling "[state name] traffic data" and their site should come up within the first few results.


Quote from: jayhawkco on April 26, 2021, 10:49:22 AM
More or less a lot of Googling "XXX State AADT" and looking for Excel files, .pdfs, or downloadable searches on their GIS.  If you have a particular state, I can direct you towards the data that I've used.

I don't know that I've ever downloaded anything, save for maybe a few .pdf's of some NY state routes in my area. You can usually find whatever you're looking for on the state's traffic data viewer or equivalent without downloading anything.



JayhawkCO

Quote from: webny99 on April 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
I don't know that I've ever downloaded anything, save for maybe a few .pdf's of some NY state routes in my area. You can usually find whatever you're looking for on the state's traffic data viewer or equivalent without downloading anything.

When you're trying to find the extremes in the state's AADTs, it's way easier to get an Excel file to sort and filter.  If you're looking for the AADT of a certain segment, sure, the maps work just fine.

Chris

OCGuy81

Quote from: jayhawkco on April 26, 2021, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
I can make an attempt at Oregon, without the data in front of me.

I-5 at Washington
I-205 at Washington (these are probably tied)

I-5 at California
I-84 at Idaho
I-82 at Washington
US-101 at Washington
US-97 at Washington
US-97 at California
US-101 at California
US-95 at Idaho
US-199 at California
US-395 at California
US-95 at Nevada
WA-433 at Washington (connects the Kelso-Longview area to Oregon....I *think* it's still WA-433 entering Oregon)
US-730 at Washington
ORr-35 at Washington
Bridge of the Gods connecting OR-WA
OR-11 at Washington
OR-140 at Nevada
OR-3 at Washington

Think that covers most of them, if not all.

If you want to be exhaustive, looks like you're missing:
OR52 Idaho
US95Bus Idaho
OR332 Washington
OR39 California
OR205 Nevada

Otherwise not bad for off the top of your head.

Chris

Thanks! I'd probably put the remainder of those towards the bottom. It's pretty interesting that Oregon has 2 instances of a 205 (Interstate and OR) that cross state lines.

SEWIGuy

#33
Quote from: thspfc on April 25, 2021, 03:19:22 PM
Rank your state's border crossings by importance.
My opinion for Wisconsin's top 10:

1. I-41/94 at the IL border
2. I-39/90 at the IL border
3. I-94/US-12 at the MN border
4. I-90 at the MN border
5. US-61/151 at the IA border
6. I-535/US-53 at the MN border
7. US-41 at the MI border
8. US-12 at the IL border
9. US-14/61 at the MN border
10. US-2 at the MI border (in Ironwood)


You like boring crossings.  Here are mine.

1.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_Bridge
2.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Channel_Bridge_(Winona)
3.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Highway_243_(Minnesota%E2%80%93Wisconsin)
4.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_State_Highway_23
5.  https://www.travelwisconsin.com/tours/cassville-car-ferry-203486

corco

Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2021, 11:16:23 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on April 26, 2021, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
I can make an attempt at Oregon, without the data in front of me.

I-5 at Washington
I-205 at Washington (these are probably tied)

I-5 at California
I-84 at Idaho
I-82 at Washington
US-101 at Washington
US-97 at Washington
US-97 at California
US-101 at California
US-95 at Idaho
US-199 at California
US-395 at California
US-95 at Nevada
WA-433 at Washington (connects the Kelso-Longview area to Oregon....I *think* it's still WA-433 entering Oregon)
US-730 at Washington
ORr-35 at Washington
Bridge of the Gods connecting OR-WA
OR-11 at Washington
OR-140 at Nevada
OR-3 at Washington

Think that covers most of them, if not all.

If you want to be exhaustive, looks like you're missing:
OR52 Idaho
US95Bus Idaho
OR332 Washington
OR39 California
OR205 Nevada

Otherwise not bad for off the top of your head.

Chris

Thanks! I'd probably put the remainder of those towards the bottom. It's pretty interesting that Oregon has 2 instances of a 205 (Interstate and OR) that cross state lines.

205 itself doesn't actually cross the state line- it ends many miles north in the middle of nowhere.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: corco on April 26, 2021, 12:17:23 PM
205 itself doesn't actually cross the state line- it ends many miles north in the middle of nowhere.

My bad.  Just went quickly by Google Maps.  I am far from an expert on southeastern Oregon.  :)

Chris

OCGuy81

Quote from: jayhawkco on April 26, 2021, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: corco on April 26, 2021, 12:17:23 PM
205 itself doesn't actually cross the state line- it ends many miles north in the middle of nowhere.

My bad.  Just went quickly by Google Maps.  I am far from an expert on southeastern Oregon.  :)

Chris

No worries, you did provide me with an idea for a new topic I posted here soon after. :)

Ga293

For Georgia:

  • I-75 @ TN, 98.2k
  • I-95 @ FL, 70.1k
  • I-24 @ TN(E), 67.2k
  • US 80 @ AL, 66.8k
  • I-20 @ SC, 59.6k
  • I-95 @ SC, 59.0k
  • I-24 @ TN(W), 51.2k
  • I-85 @ SC, 48.0k
  • I-75 @ FL, 44.9k
  • I-85 @ AL, 39.4k
  • I-20 @ AL, 34.5k
  • US 280 @ AL, 30.6k
  • 13th St., Columbus, 25.0k
  • 13th St., Augusta, 24.2k
  • US 27 @ TN, 23.7k
  • GA 28(S) @ SC(S), 21.6k
  • US 1/25/78/278 @ SC, 20.2k
  • US 17 @ SC, 18.4k
  • I-520 @ SC, 17.3k
  • I-59 @ AL, 14.3k
  • US 29 @ AL, 14.0k
  • US 319 @ FL, 12.1k
  • US 23/441 @ NC, 10.7k
  • US 41/76 @ TN, 10.2k
All of the others are under 10,000 AADT.

webny99

I'm not sure about using volume data to rank the crossings. It makes sense to a certain extent, but then you have cases like NY 303 at the NJ line being almost twice as busy as I-86 at the PA line. Yet no one would argue that NY 303 is the more important crossing.

GaryV

Quote from: ftballfan on April 25, 2021, 08:57:11 PM
The Canadian crossings don't have accurate AADT numbers, but here are their rankings in importance:
1. Ambassador Bridge
2. Blue Water Bridge
3. Detroit-Windsor Tunnel
4. International Bridge (Sault Ste. Marie)

The Howe Bridge will jump to #1 when it opens.
And likely, the Ambassador will drop to #3.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: webny99 on April 26, 2021, 01:06:22 PM
I'm not sure about using volume data to rank the crossings. It makes sense to a certain extent, but then you have cases like NY 303 at the NJ line being almost twice as busy as I-86 at the PA line. Yet no one would argue that NY 303 is the more important crossing.

I think it's a good basis from which to start thinking about importance.  As I posted for mine in Colorado, there are some I'd move around (interstates specifically) for importance, but I guess what makes it important if it's not the amount of people that use it?  I can see bridges without any others around being one obvious "exception", i.e. I-155 MO/TN.

Chris

OCGuy81

This one was challenging!  :bigass:

Alaska.

AK-2/YT-1 at the Alaska/YT border
AK-5 (Top of the World Hwy)/YT-9 at the Alaska/YT border.

Am I missing any?

JayhawkCO

Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2021, 01:34:38 PM
This one was challenging!  :bigass:

Alaska.

AK-2/YT-1 at the Alaska/YT border
AK-5 (Top of the World Hwy)/YT-9 at the Alaska/YT border.

Am I missing any?

Yep. 

AK-7 Haines Highway
AK-98 Klondike Highway

Loosely BC37A Stewart-Cassiar Highway

And technically the Top of the World Highway is not numbered on the AK side.  AK-5 goes up to Eagle.

Chris

SkyPesos

#43
Quote from: webny99 on April 26, 2021, 01:06:22 PM
I'm not sure about using volume data to rank the crossings. It makes sense to a certain extent, but then you have cases like NY 303 at the NJ line being almost twice as busy as I-86 at the PA line. Yet no one would argue that NY 303 is the more important crossing.
The numbers I got for Ohio are mostly reasonable, so I went with it. Most used crossings at major metro areas like Cincinnati and Toledo. Most interstates are above 4 lane US routes. The only one that's puzzling to me is US 22's 32k AADT at the WV border. US 22 is a freeway at that point, but Steubenville isn't that large of a city, and the 4 lane section dead ends at Cadiz on the Ohio side, though continues all the way as a 4 lane to I-376 on the east. The AADT number would've made more sense to me if it connected to I-70 at Cambridge as a freeway, as that would make a neat Columbus-Pittsburgh freeway corridor, except it doesn't.

2019 AADT of US 22 from Cambridge to WV Border
East of I-77 junction - 5.8k
Concurrency with OH 800 - 2.8k
West of US 250 junctions - 3k
Concurrency with US 250 - 8.5k
East of US 250 junctions - 8.7k
Concurrency with OH 151 - 10.5k
East of OH 151 eastern junction - 11.4k
East of OH 152 junction - 10k
West of OH 43 junction - 10.2k
East of OH 43 junction - 15.8k
West of John Scott Hwy junction - 18k
Between John Scott Hwy and OH 7 - 29k
Concurrency with OH 7 - 33.8k
WV Border - 32k

Actually, a lot of the local roads numbers near Steubenville seem high too, even with 2020 numbers. Especially the 20k on OH 43. Most of the busiest arterials in Cincinnati and Columbus don't even reach that high.


OCGuy81

I think I'll take a stab at neighboring Washington.  Again, no data in front of me, but I'll stick to the larger thoroughfares.

I think the biggest would be I-5 at the Canadian border, as it's the artery of the west coast, and connects two huge metro areas, Seattle and Vancouver, BC.

Next up, I'm not sure of.  Would it be I-90 from Idaho because of the length of I-90 and cities served along the way?  Or would it be I-5 entering from Oregon?  I'll tie these at 2nd.

- I-82 entering from Oregon
- US-97, both ends at the BC and Oregon lines
- US-12 at Idaho
-US-101 at Oregon
-US-2 at Idaho
-US-395 at the BC line


Here's some wild cards.  Would we include ferry routes?  If so, the one from Victoria-Port Angeles, and from Vancouver to Seattle would certainly land high on the list.

Again, not a all inclusive list, I just tried to get the big ones.

JoePCool14

Quote from: SEWIGuy on April 26, 2021, 12:12:05 PM
Quote from: thspfc on April 25, 2021, 03:19:22 PM
Rank your state's border crossings by importance.
My opinion for Wisconsin's top 10:

1. I-41/94 at the IL border
2. I-39/90 at the IL border
3. I-94/US-12 at the MN border
4. I-90 at the MN border
5. US-61/151 at the IA border
6. I-535/US-53 at the MN border
7. US-41 at the MI border
8. US-12 at the IL border
9. US-14/61 at the MN border
10. US-2 at the MI border (in Ironwood)


You like boring crossings.  Here are mine.

1.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_Bridge
2.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Channel_Bridge_(Winona)
3.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Highway_243_(Minnesota%E2%80%93Wisconsin)
4.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_State_Highway_23
5.  https://www.travelwisconsin.com/tours/cassville-car-ferry-203486

OP did specify the most important border crossings, not the most interesting. That would have to be separate thread.

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ozarkman417

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2021, 10:39:50 AM
Noob question: how do I find the AADT count on roads?
This thread may help you find them for most states.

webny99

Here is a humble stab at New York:

1. I-95/US 1 (George Washington Bridge) at NJ line
2. NY 495 (Lincoln Tunnel) at NJ line
3. I-78 (Holland Tunnel) at NJ line
4. NY 440 (Outerbridge Crossing) at NJ line
5. I-95 at CT line
6. I-278 (Goethals Bridge) at NJ line
7. I-84 at CT line
8. I-287 at NJ line
9. Garden State Pkwy at NJ line
10. Hutchinson River Pkwy (CT 15) at CT line
11. Palisades Pkwy at NJ line
--- (all routes below this line have <50k AADT) ---
12. I-84 at PA line
13. I-90 at MA line
14. I-81 at PA line
15. I-90 at PA line
16. I-99/US 15 at PA line
17. NY 440 (Bayonne Bridge) at NJ line
18. US 1 at CT line
19. US 220 at PA line
20. US 219 at PA line
--- (all routes below this line have <10k AADT) ---
21. I-86 at PA line
22. Bennington Bypass (VT 279) at VT line
23. US 4 at VT line
24. US 20 at MA line
25. NY 94 at NJ line
26. NY 26 at PA line
27. US 62 at PA line
28. US 2 at VT line

Unless I missed some, everything else is either <5k or within 20 miles of a crossing already listed.




International crossings:

1. Peace Bridge (QEW)
2. Lewiston Bridge (I-190/ON 405)
3. Champlain (I-87/QC 15)
4. Thousand Islands Bridge (I-81/ON 137)
5. Rainbow Bridge (NY 384/ON 420)
6. Rooseveltown/Cornwall (NY 37/ON 138)
7. Ogdensburg (NY 812/ON 16)
8. Whirlpool Bridge (NEXUS only)
9-15. All others

Bickendan

Quote from: jayhawkco on April 26, 2021, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
I can make an attempt at Oregon, without the data in front of me.

I-5 at Washington
I-205 at Washington (these are probably tied)

I-5 at California
I-84 at Idaho
I-82 at Washington
US-101 at Washington
US-97 at Washington
US-97 at California
US-101 at California
US-95 at Idaho
US-199 at California
US-395 at California
US-95 at Nevada
WA-433 at Washington (connects the Kelso-Longview area to Oregon....I *think* it's still WA-433 entering Oregon)
US-730 at Washington
ORr-35 at Washington
Bridge of the Gods connecting OR-WA
OR-11 at Washington
OR-140 at Nevada
OR-3 at Washington

Think that covers most of them, if not all.

If you want to be exhaustive, looks like you're missing:
OR52 Idaho
US95Bus Idaho
OR332 Washington
OR39 California
OR205 Nevada

Otherwise not bad for off the top of your head.

Chris
As Corco mentioned, OR 205 does not reach Nevada.
Bus US 95 -> Spur US 95
Missing:
OR 201 Idaho
OR 86 Idaho
OR 452 Idaho
OR 453 Idaho (technical)
OR 454 Idaho

tmthyvs

Quote from: jayhawkco on April 26, 2021, 02:08:40 PM
Loosely BC37A Stewart-Cassiar Highway
You could make an argument for that being the most important crossing to Alaska, since it's the only access to Hyder, and Hyder residents share a lot of community resources with Stewart, BC (including school).



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