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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #150 on: December 09, 2021, 11:48:16 PM »

The latest Construction Progress Report has the Greensboro Loop segment between US 29 and North Elm Street over 75% complete. The official completion date is still July 2023. I have updated my Future Greensboro Loop page with new construction photos taken this past June and July from Google Maps Street View images, available at: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos

To see what progress has been made since the summer, check out the links to 2 new videos taken this past week at:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#videos

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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #151 on: December 10, 2021, 12:00:46 AM »

A few months ago it DID make me ask why the speed limit on the southwestern portion on the beltway is posted at 65 mph and not 70.

Now NCDOT is thinking BIG time here. According to this document listed in page 4, it has a design speed of 70 mph. The Knightdale Bypass also has a design speed of 70 mph and it was once posted at 65 mph and then raised to 70 mph. But these days, they built 75 mph design speeds.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #152 on: December 10, 2021, 12:12:26 AM »

The latest Construction Progress Report has the Greensboro Loop segment between US 29 and North Elm Street over 75% complete. The official completion date is still July 2023.
Well, given that pretty much all of the bridges are up, I can see this opening late next year.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #153 on: December 10, 2021, 06:49:27 PM »

I'm getting the same video on both new links
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #155 on: January 10, 2022, 02:54:23 PM »

Project update on the final section.

https://greensboro.com/news/local/final-leg-of-greensboro-urban-loop-is-taking-shape/article_8f945490-6e81-11ec-973a-c786b0d44484.html#tracking-source=home-top-story
Seen that, and now it has been moved up to spring 2023 it says...

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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #156 on: January 22, 2022, 08:43:33 PM »

Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #157 on: January 22, 2022, 08:53:43 PM »

Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
But it ties directly into I-85 south which is 70 mph.

I imagine it will all be increased to 70 mph once I-840 is complete to US-29 / I-785.

Now they need to increase I-85/I-40 between Greensboro and the I-40 split outside Durham to 70 mph. No reason they can increase the more urban portions of the I-73 and I-840 loop to 70 mph but keep the wide, straight 8 lane section east of the city at 65 mph.

Specifically, the independent 8 lane I-73 segment I had said before was probably one of the more urban, curvy sections I would not recommend an official 70 mph limit for - yet they went ahead and did it before even batting an eye at the far more obvious ones. I imagine the 85th percentile speeds there are lower than some others they refuse to bump.

Also I-73 south and US-421 south should also reasonably go up to 70 mph. US-421 is still kept at a crawling 60 mph despite now being a full freeway for many miles south of the beltway.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #158 on: January 22, 2022, 09:12:04 PM »

Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
But it ties directly into I-85 south which is 70 mph.

I imagine it will all be increased to 70 mph once I-840 is complete to US-29 / I-785.

Now they need to increase I-85/I-40 between Greensboro and the I-40 split outside Durham to 70 mph. No reason they can increase the more urban portions of the I-73 and I-840 loop to 70 mph but keep the wide, straight 8 lane section east of the city at 65 mph.

Specifically, the independent 8 lane I-73 segment I had said before was probably one of the more urban, curvy sections I would not recommend an official 70 mph limit for - yet they went ahead and did it before even batting an eye at the far more obvious ones. I imagine the 85th percentile speeds there are lower than some others they refuse to bump.

Also I-73 south and US-421 south should also reasonably go up to 70 mph. US-421 is still kept at a crawling 60 mph despite now being a full freeway for many miles south of the beltway.
I have to agree with all of this. I would add I-74 too, as well as the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway once it's fully opened to US-52. I feel like sometimes an engineer cannot think straight at some times...
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #159 on: January 22, 2022, 09:18:24 PM »

Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
But it ties directly into I-85 south which is 70 mph.

I imagine it will all be increased to 70 mph once I-840 is complete to US-29 / I-785.

Now they need to increase I-85/I-40 between Greensboro and the I-40 split outside Durham to 70 mph. No reason they can increase the more urban portions of the I-73 and I-840 loop to 70 mph but keep the wide, straight 8 lane section east of the city at 65 mph.

Specifically, the independent 8 lane I-73 segment I had said before was probably one of the more urban, curvy sections I would not recommend an official 70 mph limit for - yet they went ahead and did it before even batting an eye at the far more obvious ones. I imagine the 85th percentile speeds there are lower than some others they refuse to bump.

Also I-73 south and US-421 south should also reasonably go up to 70 mph. US-421 is still kept at a crawling 60 mph despite now being a full freeway for many miles south of the beltway.
I have to agree with all of this. I would add I-74 too, as well as the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway once it's fully opened to US-52. I feel like sometimes an engineer cannot think straight at some times...
Agreed.

I feel like the beltway, at minimum, will be increased to 70 mph. However, the rest of I-74 south of Winston-Salem to Asheboro should also be increased to 70 mph.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #160 on: January 22, 2022, 09:37:12 PM »

Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
But it ties directly into I-85 south which is 70 mph.

I imagine it will all be increased to 70 mph once I-840 is complete to US-29 / I-785.

Now they need to increase I-85/I-40 between Greensboro and the I-40 split outside Durham to 70 mph. No reason they can increase the more urban portions of the I-73 and I-840 loop to 70 mph but keep the wide, straight 8 lane section east of the city at 65 mph.

Specifically, the independent 8 lane I-73 segment I had said before was probably one of the more urban, curvy sections I would not recommend an official 70 mph limit for - yet they went ahead and did it before even batting an eye at the far more obvious ones. I imagine the 85th percentile speeds there are lower than some others they refuse to bump.

Also I-73 south and US-421 south should also reasonably go up to 70 mph. US-421 is still kept at a crawling 60 mph despite now being a full freeway for many miles south of the beltway.
I have to agree with all of this. I would add I-74 too, as well as the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway once it's fully opened to US-52. I feel like sometimes an engineer cannot think straight at some times...
Agreed.

I feel like the beltway, at minimum, will be increased to 70 mph. However, the rest of I-74 south of Winston-Salem to Asheboro should also be increased to 70 mph.
Now, how about the Winston-Salem bypass on the east side? this is the side that I'm referring to.

I'm scratching my head on this one. Should it be 70 mph? It was rebuilt and widened in the early 2000s so I don't see a reason why it should be 70. It's currently 65... You are barely in the city limits of Greensboro so they should go on and do it...
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #161 on: January 22, 2022, 10:13:51 PM »

^ That whole segment could be 70 mph reasonably.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #162 on: January 22, 2022, 10:34:13 PM »

^ That whole segment could be 70 mph reasonably.
Yeah because people drive well over 65.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #163 on: January 23, 2022, 09:38:07 PM »

Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.
But it ties directly into I-85 south which is 70 mph.

I imagine it will all be increased to 70 mph once I-840 is complete to US-29 / I-785.

Now they need to increase I-85/I-40 between Greensboro and the I-40 split outside Durham to 70 mph. No reason they can increase the more urban portions of the I-73 and I-840 loop to 70 mph but keep the wide, straight 8 lane section east of the city at 65 mph.

Specifically, the independent 8 lane I-73 segment I had said before was probably one of the more urban, curvy sections I would not recommend an official 70 mph limit for - yet they went ahead and did it before even batting an eye at the far more obvious ones. I imagine the 85th percentile speeds there are lower than some others they refuse to bump.

Also I-73 south and US-421 south should also reasonably go up to 70 mph. US-421 is still kept at a crawling 60 mph despite now being a full freeway for many miles south of the beltway.
I have to agree with all of this. I would add I-74 too, as well as the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway once it's fully opened to US-52. I feel like sometimes an engineer cannot think straight at some times...
Agreed.

I feel like the beltway, at minimum, will be increased to 70 mph. However, the rest of I-74 south of Winston-Salem to Asheboro should also be increased to 70 mph.
Now, how about the Winston-Salem bypass on the east side? this is the side that I'm referring to.

I'm scratching my head on this one. Should it be 70 mph? It was rebuilt and widened in the early 2000s so I don't see a reason why it should be 70. It's currently 65... You are barely in the city limits of Greensboro so they should go on and do it...

The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).


As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #164 on: January 23, 2022, 09:40:53 PM »

Also, it's interesting that the rural section on the east side of Greensboro from I-40 to US 29 is still just 65!!!
That's probably because it's a short freeway.

Yes, and after I-840 is finished from Elm to US 29/I-785, They just might raise the speed limit to 70 mph so the whole beltway is 70 mph all around.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #165 on: January 23, 2022, 09:50:18 PM »

The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
I’d argue that stretch is more suited for 70 mph than the segment they increased on the southwestern loop / I-73 portion.

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As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Traffic volumes during peak hours shouldn’t restrict a speed 24/7. The segment is designed for 70 mph and quite frankly could easily handle it.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #166 on: January 23, 2022, 11:15:03 PM »

The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
I’d argue that stretch is more suited for 70 mph than the segment they increased on the southwestern loop / I-73 portion.

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As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Traffic volumes during peak hours shouldn’t restrict a speed 24/7. The segment is designed for 70 mph and quite frankly could easily handle it.


The SW portion of the loop (I-73) has always been planned to be 70 mph for a long awhile. They are not going to put 70 mph on I-40 west of The loop. It is never in the plans. The same goes for the portion of I-40 between W-S and Greensboro unless they widen that part then that's a maybe. I live in the area and hear about it all the time. That's my argument.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #167 on: February 05, 2022, 02:29:05 PM »

The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
I’d argue that stretch is more suited for 70 mph than the segment they increased on the southwestern loop / I-73 portion.

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As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Traffic volumes during peak hours shouldn’t restrict a speed 24/7. The segment is designed for 70 mph and quite frankly could easily handle it.


The SW portion of the loop (I-73) has always been planned to be 70 mph for a long awhile. They are not going to put 70 mph on I-40 west of The loop. It is never in the plans. The same goes for the portion of I-40 between W-S and Greensboro unless they widen that part then that's a maybe. I live in the area and hear about it all the time. That's my argument.
It's clearly 70 mph when looking at this: https://goo.gl/maps/xYFZrFJUPKqLok1Q8
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #168 on: February 05, 2022, 06:33:14 PM »

The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
I’d argue that stretch is more suited for 70 mph than the segment they increased on the southwestern loop / I-73 portion.

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As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Traffic volumes during peak hours shouldn’t restrict a speed 24/7. The segment is designed for 70 mph and quite frankly could easily handle it.


The SW portion of the loop (I-73) has always been planned to be 70 mph for a long awhile. They are not going to put 70 mph on I-40 west of The loop. It is never in the plans. The same goes for the portion of I-40 between W-S and Greensboro unless they widen that part then that's a maybe. I live in the area and hear about it all the time. That's my argument.
It's clearly 70 mph when looking at this: https://goo.gl/maps/xYFZrFJUPKqLok1Q8
That's the loop... not I-40 west of the loop...

December 2021 imagery shows 65 mph on that segment.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0949339,-80.0055486,3a,60.2y,120.62h,85.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st5MVP0WtrzKFotTqqXZxmg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #169 on: February 05, 2022, 07:17:50 PM »

The I-40 section in Greensboro is 65 mph because it just entered the city limit. (Greensboro city border starts right after Sandy Ridge Rd interchange). Plus it is 8+ lanes and no longer rural like it was before the rebuild, so no reason to increase it to 70 mph. Also, I-40 reduces to 60 mph at the I-73/I-840 interchange and moving through Greensboro. So, that makes sense to just keep it at 65 even though almost no one goes 65 mph or under (think of I-85 and I-77 through Charlotte it is 60 mph but no one goes that slow).
I’d argue that stretch is more suited for 70 mph than the segment they increased on the southwestern loop / I-73 portion.

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As of the section of I-40 between Greensboro and Winston Salem, why would you want to increase it to 70 mph on a 4 lane freeway that is almost always busy? Also, it is going through the Triad Metro area (with Kernersville in the middle). They don't see the reason to do that. Now, they plan on widen that part of I-40 to 6 lanes. If that happens, I could see them increase it to 70 mph.
Traffic volumes during peak hours shouldn’t restrict a speed 24/7. The segment is designed for 70 mph and quite frankly could easily handle it.


The SW portion of the loop (I-73) has always been planned to be 70 mph for a long awhile. They are not going to put 70 mph on I-40 west of The loop. It is never in the plans. The same goes for the portion of I-40 between W-S and Greensboro unless they widen that part then that's a maybe. I live in the area and hear about it all the time. That's my argument.
It's clearly 70 mph when looking at this: https://goo.gl/maps/xYFZrFJUPKqLok1Q8
That's the loop... not I-40 west of the loop...

December 2021 imagery shows 65 mph on that segment.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0949339,-80.0055486,3a,60.2y,120.62h,85.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st5MVP0WtrzKFotTqqXZxmg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
Forgot to say the southwestern part of I-73...
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