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midwesternroadguy:

--- Quote from: chrismarion100 on November 26, 2021, 07:27:50 PM ---And the busiest part of the US 53 (south of 312) have an AADT of 47,100 and also if there is a crash blocking a lane traffic will back up

--- Quote from: on_wisconsin on November 20, 2021, 12:54:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2021, 03:45:00 PM ---Does US 53 in Eau Claire really need to be 6 lanes? I could see them 6-laning Interstate 94, but not US 53.
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--- Quote from: I-39 on November 19, 2021, 10:50:59 PM ---No, but I-94 needs to probably be six lanes from Eau Claire to the Mississippi St. Croix River.

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As a local, Yes. Especially, 53 between I-94 and WIS 312. It also comes up somewhat frequently in area media as a question asked by the public. The state has plans to start the EIS process in/ around 2026'ish, IIRC. As well as any expansion done along the corridor could likely be billed as a shovel-ready project as the facility was designed with expansion in mind and would require minimal new ROW. Even the major bridges had piers built wider then was necessary to accommodate future growth.
WisDOT was forced to put these along the road as well in past few years: https://goo.gl/maps/qvwD7X7aASr2xQrf8.

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Iím not sure that that AADT fully justifies six lanes.  I drive on a four-lane freeway daily in a much larger metro with an AADT of 54,000, and it doesnít need expansion.  And a crash on any freeway will bring traffic to grinding halt.  People in small cities have a much lower tolerance for traffic.  Look at US 52 in Rochester, MNó expanded to six lanes around 2005 and it still isnít warranted.  However, people in Rochester will never tell you that. Wisconsin has bigger capacity issues than US 53. 

SEWIGuy:

--- Quote from: midwesternroadguy on November 29, 2021, 08:26:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: chrismarion100 on November 26, 2021, 07:27:50 PM ---And the busiest part of the US 53 (south of 312) have an AADT of 47,100 and also if there is a crash blocking a lane traffic will back up

--- Quote from: on_wisconsin on November 20, 2021, 12:54:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2021, 03:45:00 PM ---Does US 53 in Eau Claire really need to be 6 lanes? I could see them 6-laning Interstate 94, but not US 53.
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--- Quote from: I-39 on November 19, 2021, 10:50:59 PM ---No, but I-94 needs to probably be six lanes from Eau Claire to the Mississippi St. Croix River.

--- End quote ---

As a local, Yes. Especially, 53 between I-94 and WIS 312. It also comes up somewhat frequently in area media as a question asked by the public. The state has plans to start the EIS process in/ around 2026'ish, IIRC. As well as any expansion done along the corridor could likely be billed as a shovel-ready project as the facility was designed with expansion in mind and would require minimal new ROW. Even the major bridges had piers built wider then was necessary to accommodate future growth.
WisDOT was forced to put these along the road as well in past few years: https://goo.gl/maps/qvwD7X7aASr2xQrf8.

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Iím not sure that that AADT fully justifies six lanes.  I drive on a four-lane freeway daily in a much larger metro with an AADT of 54,000, and it doesnít need expansion.  And a crash on any freeway will bring traffic to grinding halt.  People in small cities have a much lower tolerance for traffic.  Look at US 52 in Rochester, MNó expanded to six lanes around 2005 and it still isnít warranted.  However, people in Rochester will never tell you that. Wisconsin has bigger capacity issues than US 53. 

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Yep.  I drive to work every day on WI-172 that has 60,000+ per day.  Sure it can slow down a little, and bad weather or an accident can grind traffic to a halt, but there are multiple alternatives through the city I can take if I want.  And outside of about 30 minutes in the morning and evening, four lanes is more than enough. 

on_wisconsin:

--- Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 29, 2021, 08:45:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: midwesternroadguy on November 29, 2021, 08:26:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: chrismarion100 on November 26, 2021, 07:27:50 PM ---And the busiest part of the US 53 (south of 312) have an AADT of 47,100 and also if there is a crash blocking a lane traffic will back up

--- Quote from: on_wisconsin on November 20, 2021, 12:54:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2021, 03:45:00 PM ---Does US 53 in Eau Claire really need to be 6 lanes? I could see them 6-laning Interstate 94, but not US 53.
--- End quote ---

--- Quote from: I-39 on November 19, 2021, 10:50:59 PM ---No, but I-94 needs to probably be six lanes from Eau Claire to the Mississippi St. Croix River.

--- End quote ---

As a local, Yes. Especially, 53 between I-94 and WIS 312. It also comes up somewhat frequently in area media as a question asked by the public. The state has plans to start the EIS process in/ around 2026'ish, IIRC. As well as any expansion done along the corridor could likely be billed as a shovel-ready project as the facility was designed with expansion in mind and would require minimal new ROW. Even the major bridges had piers built wider then was necessary to accommodate future growth.
WisDOT was forced to put these along the road as well in past few years: https://goo.gl/maps/qvwD7X7aASr2xQrf8.

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I’m not sure that that AADT fully justifies six lanes.  I drive on a four-lane freeway daily in a much larger metro with an AADT of 54,000, and it doesn’t need expansion.  And a crash on any freeway will bring traffic to grinding halt.  People in small cities have a much lower tolerance for traffic.  Look at US 52 in Rochester, MN— expanded to six lanes around 2005 and it still isn’t warranted.  However, people in Rochester will never tell you that. Wisconsin has bigger capacity issues than US 53. 
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Yep.  I drive to work every day on WI-172 that has 60,000+ per day.  Sure it can slow down a little, and bad weather or an accident can grind traffic to a halt, but there are multiple alternatives through the city I can take if I want.  And outside of about 30 minutes in the morning and evening, four lanes is more than enough. 

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US 53 gets fairly crowded in that area even during the weekends/ evenings and topography in the area also factors into need for widening. The expansion ready design of the bypass would likely make it significantly less costly and resource intensive then other potential major projects.

Altoona's 20%+ growth rate (third fastest in the state) over the past decade is another appreciable contributor. :coffee:

SEWIGuy:

--- Quote from: on_wisconsin on November 29, 2021, 02:26:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 29, 2021, 08:45:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: midwesternroadguy on November 29, 2021, 08:26:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: chrismarion100 on November 26, 2021, 07:27:50 PM ---And the busiest part of the US 53 (south of 312) have an AADT of 47,100 and also if there is a crash blocking a lane traffic will back up

--- Quote from: on_wisconsin on November 20, 2021, 12:54:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2021, 03:45:00 PM ---Does US 53 in Eau Claire really need to be 6 lanes? I could see them 6-laning Interstate 94, but not US 53.
--- End quote ---

--- Quote from: I-39 on November 19, 2021, 10:50:59 PM ---No, but I-94 needs to probably be six lanes from Eau Claire to the Mississippi St. Croix River.

--- End quote ---

As a local, Yes. Especially, 53 between I-94 and WIS 312. It also comes up somewhat frequently in area media as a question asked by the public. The state has plans to start the EIS process in/ around 2026'ish, IIRC. As well as any expansion done along the corridor could likely be billed as a shovel-ready project as the facility was designed with expansion in mind and would require minimal new ROW. Even the major bridges had piers built wider then was necessary to accommodate future growth.
WisDOT was forced to put these along the road as well in past few years: https://goo.gl/maps/qvwD7X7aASr2xQrf8.

--- End quote ---

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Iím not sure that that AADT fully justifies six lanes.  I drive on a four-lane freeway daily in a much larger metro with an AADT of 54,000, and it doesnít need expansion.  And a crash on any freeway will bring traffic to grinding halt.  People in small cities have a much lower tolerance for traffic.  Look at US 52 in Rochester, MNó expanded to six lanes around 2005 and it still isnít warranted.  However, people in Rochester will never tell you that. Wisconsin has bigger capacity issues than US 53. 
--- End quote ---

Yep.  I drive to work every day on WI-172 that has 60,000+ per day.  Sure it can slow down a little, and bad weather or an accident can grind traffic to a halt, but there are multiple alternatives through the city I can take if I want.  And outside of about 30 minutes in the morning and evening, four lanes is more than enough. 

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US 53 gets fairly crowded in that area even during the weekends/ evenings and topography in the area also factors into need for widening. The expansion ready design of the bypass would likely make it significantly less costly and resource intensive then other potential major projects.

Altoona's 20%+ growth rate (third fastest in the state) over the past decade is another appreciable contributor. :coffee:

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Everyone thinks their local project is somehow different. It likely isnít.

midwesternroadguy:

--- Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 29, 2021, 06:40:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: on_wisconsin on November 29, 2021, 02:26:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 29, 2021, 08:45:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: midwesternroadguy on November 29, 2021, 08:26:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: chrismarion100 on November 26, 2021, 07:27:50 PM ---And the busiest part of the US 53 (south of 312) have an AADT of 47,100 and also if there is a crash blocking a lane traffic will back up

--- Quote from: on_wisconsin on November 20, 2021, 12:54:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2021, 03:45:00 PM ---Does US 53 in Eau Claire really need to be 6 lanes? I could see them 6-laning Interstate 94, but not US 53.
--- End quote ---

--- Quote from: I-39 on November 19, 2021, 10:50:59 PM ---No, but I-94 needs to probably be six lanes from Eau Claire to the Mississippi St. Croix River.

--- End quote ---

As a local, Yes. Especially, 53 between I-94 and WIS 312. It also comes up somewhat frequently in area media as a question asked by the public. The state has plans to start the EIS process in/ around 2026'ish, IIRC. As well as any expansion done along the corridor could likely be billed as a shovel-ready project as the facility was designed with expansion in mind and would require minimal new ROW. Even the major bridges had piers built wider then was necessary to accommodate future growth.
WisDOT was forced to put these along the road as well in past few years: https://goo.gl/maps/qvwD7X7aASr2xQrf8.

--- End quote ---

--- End quote ---

Iím not sure that that AADT fully justifies six lanes.  I drive on a four-lane freeway daily in a much larger metro with an AADT of 54,000, and it doesnít need expansion.  And a crash on any freeway will bring traffic to grinding halt.  People in small cities have a much lower tolerance for traffic.  Look at US 52 in Rochester, MNó expanded to six lanes around 2005 and it still isnít warranted.  However, people in Rochester will never tell you that. Wisconsin has bigger capacity issues than US 53. 
--- End quote ---

Yep.  I drive to work every day on WI-172 that has 60,000+ per day.  Sure it can slow down a little, and bad weather or an accident can grind traffic to a halt, but there are multiple alternatives through the city I can take if I want.  And outside of about 30 minutes in the morning and evening, four lanes is more than enough. 

--- End quote ---


US 53 gets fairly crowded in that area even during the weekends/ evenings and topography in the area also factors into need for widening. The expansion ready design of the bypass would likely make it significantly less costly and resource intensive then other potential major projects.

Altoona's 20%+ growth rate (third fastest in the state) over the past decade is another appreciable contributor. :coffee:

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Everyone thinks their local project is somehow different. It likely isnít.



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I agree. 

The growth of Altoona pales in comparison to Madisonís and Dane Countyís growth.  Lord knows thereís plenty of capacity issues around Madison.  I suggest you, chrismarion,  drive the Beltline at peak hour and compare it to US 53.  On Wednesday alone, the three eastbound lanes were stopped for over eight miles.  I hope that the flex lane project offers some relief.  As I said, peopleís tolerance for congestion is directly proportional to a cityís population.  And it doesnít seem right to throw limited resources at what are just perceived problems. 

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