"Highway Gothic" outside the US and Canada - what other countries use it?

Started by KCRoadFan, November 24, 2022, 12:48:29 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

KCRoadFan

Looking on Street View at some freeways in Spain in advance of a trip to that country in March 2023, I have noticed that several of the signs there, such as this set along the A-4 freeway in the south suburbs of Madrid, have the same FHWA "Highway Gothic" font that is commonly used in the US and Canada. Around the world, what other countries have you been to or seen that use that font on their signs? I know that Australia and New Zealand use Highway Gothic as well, and as far as European countries go, I believe the Netherlands also has signs with that font - aside from those, where else have you seen Highway Gothic? I'd be interested to know.


Chris

Spain used Highway Gothic for its freeways and toll roads (autovía & autopista), but they are in the process of switching over to a Transport-derived front, to match what they use on secondary roads.

Taiwan, Thailand and Indonesia also use Highway Gothic.


Taiwan: National Freeway Route 3 | 國道三號 by James Lin, on Flickr




Gresik - Surabaya Toll Road, East Java - Indonesia / Jalan Toll Gresik - Surabaya by ananto hermawan, on Flickr

Henry

Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs are gonna win today!

bing101

Netherlands and Germany uses Highway Gothic in some of the videos I seen on Motorways and Autobahns.

Scott5114

Quote from: Henry on November 25, 2022, 08:43:44 PM
I believe that Mexico also uses FHWA on its signs as well.

Not quite–the letterforms are somewhat similar to FHWA Series, but it has enough differences that I would feel like I was faking it if I used FHWA Series to draw a Mexican sign.

Quote from: bing101 on November 27, 2022, 11:51:11 AM
Netherlands and Germany uses Highway Gothic in some of the videos I seen on Motorways and Autobahns.

Germany uses DIN 1451, not Highway Gothic.
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

J N Winkler

The Wikipedia article on the FHWA series lists countries other than the US and Canada that either use them directly or use typefaces closely patterned after them.  The typeface on newer Spanish signs that looks like Series E Modified is actually Autopista and is not a 100% match (compare a, g, b, and d)--both it and Carretera Convencional (the Transport-like typeface) were introduced in 1992.  Previously, Spain used the old French L1, L2, and L3 typefaces on non-motorways and straight Series E Modified on autopistas and autovías.

China also uses the FHWA series for legend that appears in Latin characters, but frequently compresses letters horizontally.
"It is necessary to spend a hundred lire now to save a thousand lire later."--Piero Puricelli, explaining the need for a first-class road system to Benito Mussolini


kphoger

Quote from: Scott5114 on November 27, 2022, 01:16:15 PM

Quote from: Henry on November 25, 2022, 08:43:44 PM
I believe that Mexico also uses FHWA on its signs as well.

Not quite–the letterforms are somewhat similar to FHWA Series, but it has enough differences that I would feel like I was faking it if I used FHWA Series to draw a Mexican sign.

(Large .pdf warning)

https://www.sct.gob.mx/fileadmin/DireccionesGrales/DGST/Manuales/NUEVO-SENALAMIENTO/manualSenalamientoVialDispositivosSeguridad.pdf

See pages 633-671 of the document.

If you want full detailed glyphs for all series in uppercase, then see the 1986 version (also a large .pdf), beginning on page 425 of the document (page number 427).
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

abqtraveler

Looking on GSV, I see that New Zealand and the Philippines both use the Highway Gothic font on their freeway signs, and the signage looks nearly identical to US freeway signage.  And of course, Canada uses highway Gothic as well.
2-d Interstates traveled:  4, 5, 8, 10, 15, 20, 24, 25, 27, 29, 35, 39, 40, 41, 43, 45, 49, 55, 57, 64, 65, 66, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76(E), 77, 78, 81, 83, 84(W), 85, 87(N), 89, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95

2-d Interstates Clinched:  12, 22, 30, 37, 44, 59, 80, 84(E), 86(E), 238, H1, H2, H3, H201

kphoger

Quote from: kphoger on November 29, 2022, 02:21:08 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on November 27, 2022, 01:16:15 PM

Quote from: Henry on November 25, 2022, 08:43:44 PM
I believe that Mexico also uses FHWA on its signs as well.

Not quite–the letterforms are somewhat similar to FHWA Series, but it has enough differences that I would feel like I was faking it if I used FHWA Series to draw a Mexican sign.

(Large .pdf warning)

https://www.sct.gob.mx/fileadmin/DireccionesGrales/DGST/Manuales/NUEVO-SENALAMIENTO/manualSenalamientoVialDispositivosSeguridad.pdf

See pages 633-671 of the document.

If you want full detailed glyphs for all series in uppercase, then see the 1986 version (also a large .pdf), beginning on page 425 of the document (page number 427).

Things I notice (I'm no font expert):

When it comes to letter width, Mexican Serie 3 is somewhere between FHWA Series C and Series D.

C – FHWA has the open ends cut off on the horizontal, SCT has the open ends cut off on the diagonal.
G – As with C, horizontal versus diagonal cutoff on the open end.
M – FHWA has the middle point reach the baseline, SCT does not.
R – FHWA has the loop take up slightly less than half the letter height, SCT does not.
S – As with S, horizontal versus diagonal cutoff for top-right end (both cut off the bottom-left end on the horizontal).
W – FHWA has three equally sized in-between triangles, SCT has a larger middle-bottom one.

2 – FHWA rounds off the top and cuts off the end on the horizontal, SCT does neither.
3 – FHWA cuts off the bottom-left end on the horizontal, SCT cuts off both ends on the diagonal.

$ – FHWA does not carry the vertical line through the S portion, SCT does.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

J N Winkler

Also, none of the SCT alphabets has a spade-shaped 5, unlike FHWA Series D.
"It is necessary to spend a hundred lire now to save a thousand lire later."--Piero Puricelli, explaining the need for a first-class road system to Benito Mussolini

Scott5114

I'm surprised y'all missed the single-story lowercase a. (Does mixed-case text ever actually appear on Mexican signage, other than the word "Cuota"?)
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

J N Winkler

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:42:38 PMI'm surprised y'all missed the single-story lowercase a. (Does mixed-case text ever actually appear on Mexican signage, other than the word "Cuota"?)

Judging from StreetView, the Mexicans may be going through their own (messy) transition to mixed-case on guide signs.
"It is necessary to spend a hundred lire now to save a thousand lire later."--Piero Puricelli, explaining the need for a first-class road system to Benito Mussolini

Scott5114

Quote from: J N Winkler on December 05, 2022, 09:03:59 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:42:38 PMI'm surprised y'all missed the single-story lowercase a. (Does mixed-case text ever actually appear on Mexican signage, other than the word "Cuota"?)

Judging from StreetView, the Mexicans may be going through their own (messy) transition to mixed-case on guide signs.

Messy is right! Here's one from that same intersection where the SCT lowercase a and what looks like FHWA are both mixed on the same panel.
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

kphoger

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:42:38 PM
I'm surprised y'all missed the single-story lowercase a. (Does mixed-case text ever actually appear on Mexican signage, other than the word "Cuota"?)

I was only looking at uppercase yesterday.

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:42:38 PM
(Does mixed-case text ever actually appear on Mexican signage, other than the word "Cuota"?)

Yes, but it's nowhere near universal.  They're definitely still installing all-caps signage.  I've mainly seen mixed case on urban signage, not rural–and not necessarily in the SCT font, either.  This last point is clearly evidenced by the fact that most cases of "Cuota" I've seen with my own eyes (IRL) have either been all-caps or use a two-story a.  In fact, I just thumbed through GSV imagery for a dozen cuota/libre splits I've personally driven through, checked multiple sign panels at each of them, and I only found two instances of a single-story lowercase a.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Takumi

I saw a few very old signs that were in Highway Gothic when I was in South Africa earlier this year, but didn't get any photos. They were well off the main roads.
Quote from: Rothman on July 15, 2021, 07:52:59 AM
Olive Garden must be stopped.  I must stop them.

Don't @ me. Seriously.

aswnl

Being responsible for the directyional signage on Dutch freeways, I can confirm that the Dutch font is derived from the American Highway Gothic. That already happened during the 1960s.
The RWS-font still in use is a metric modification of the BPR Highway Gothic/FHWA Interstate font.

RWS-Ee ~~ FHWA Series E(M)
RWS-Dd ~~ FHWA Series D(M)
RWS-Cc ~~ FHWA Series C

Aside those the fonts RWS-Eex, Ddx and Ccx exist, for use as dark characters on a light (white/yellow) background.



 
All 3 above in RWS-Ee


In RWS-Ee, except for "Amsterdam-Zuidoost", which is in RWS-Dd


"Noord" in RWS-Ddx, rest is in Eex


RWS-Cc

Since 2011 the arrows on new signs are pointing upwards, just like in Germany.
Before that, the arrows were pointing downwards, which had an even more "American look":

Scott5114

I think I like the Dutch font better than the American, to be quite honest.
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

aswnl

By the way, we had something like Clearview developed in NL as well. We called it "Redesign".
However Redesign didn't meet expectations, hence we are completely back to Highway Gothic in NL.

Use of Highway Gothic today:
Ee [=Series E(M)] on freeways (sometimes Dd when the name of the destination is too long),
Dd [=Series D(M)] on other roads, and
Cc [=Series C] on brow, touristic signs.

Capital hight = 360mm (~14") on rural freeways with design speed 120 km/h (75 mph), 305mm (~12") on urban freeways and expresroads with design speed 90-100 km/h (55-62 mph), and 170-240mm (~6,5-9,5") on other roads, depending on the road category.

J N Winkler

Quote from: aswnl on January 03, 2023, 09:17:30 AMSince 2011 the arrows on new signs are pointing upwards, just like in Germany.

Before that, the arrows were pointing downwards, which had an even more "American look":


Did this change in arrow orientation come with wholesale adoption of the Umklappregel, including listing further away destinations first?
"It is necessary to spend a hundred lire now to save a thousand lire later."--Piero Puricelli, explaining the need for a first-class road system to Benito Mussolini

TheStranger

Quote from: abqtraveler on December 01, 2022, 12:05:48 PM
Looking on GSV, I see that New Zealand and the Philippines both use the Highway Gothic font on their freeway signs, and the signage looks nearly identical to US freeway signage.  And of course, Canada uses highway Gothic as well.
|
The Philippines' highway signage is a mix of (somewhat rare) Highway Gothic:
DSC_5194 by Chris Sampang, on Flickr

and some stuff that is either proprietary or similar to Clearview:
_DSC0629 by Chris Sampang, on Flickr
_DSC4645 by Chris Sampang, on Flickr
_DSC4806 by Chris Sampang, on Flickr
Chris Sampang

Scott5114

uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

RaulMtz

Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:42:38 PM
I'm surprised y'all missed the single-story lowercase a. (Does mixed-case text ever actually appear on Mexican signage, other than the word "Cuota"?)

I was only looking at uppercase yesterday.

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:42:38 PM
(Does mixed-case text ever actually appear on Mexican signage, other than the word "Cuota"?)

Yes, but it's nowhere near universal.  They're definitely still installing all-caps signage.  I've mainly seen mixed case on urban signage, not rural–and not necessarily in the SCT font, either.  This last point is clearly evidenced by the fact that most cases of "Cuota" I've seen with my own eyes (IRL) have either been all-caps or use a two-story a.  In fact, I just thumbed through GSV imagery for a dozen cuota/libre splits I've personally driven through, checked multiple sign panels at each of them, and I only found two instances of a single-story lowercase a.

I'm quite late to this convo but can add some context. Mixed case signage seems to be state driven as far as I can tell:

Chihuahua - This state seems to be the one that has been using mixed case FHWA fonts (SCT version of course) on its state maintained highways. They even used them a lot in some urban areas in Chihuahua (city) and Cd. Juarez. Here's one of my favorite examples. I can see the US inspiration, but it's so wierd:

https://goo.gl/maps/zthf8Z42zrJtXg5w5

Guanajuato - I believe they started after Chihuahua, but I think they use too much Series C and B. Chihuahua definitely does it better, and that's saying something.

https://goo.gl/maps/YiDpCF59vk3aTt996
https://goo.gl/maps/RYbEghYQcxPuUpeJ6

Gotta say though, it's funny seeing them trying to incorporate Japanese into some of their signs. Guanajuato has a sizable Japanese influence due to the large Japanese auto industry here. But well, I believe this does not say EXIT in Japanese. Nice try I guess?

https://goo.gl/maps/5UT3zByR6eRBFNiEA

Jalisco has recently created its own MUTCD essentially and has begun using mixed case lettering. I'm not sure what font this is though. They are generally only seen on state maintained roads though. Any Federal Route will continue to use the SCT MUTCD. In recent years, the SCT seems to have really let the federal routes become run down unfortunately, and the state has really stepped up and fixed up most of the state routes. Most of them have received new signage and pavement and it all uses this mixed case lettering. It is still a bit difficult to find Google Street View examples though since most state routes have pretty old imagery.

https://goo.gl/maps/7QUo5SXZvBXiCe5U9



Mexico City has also started using its own mixed case font. Again, I am not sure what font this is.



Lastly, I remember reading they were creating a new font for the new official SCT MUTCD which was going to force all guide signs have mixed case lettering. The official new version of the MUTCD is not yet released though so I am looking forward to checking that out once it is complete.


Scott5114

Quote from: RaulMtz on February 08, 2023, 01:00:49 PM
Jalisco has recently created its own MUTCD essentially and has begun using mixed case lettering. I'm not sure what font this is though.

Arial, sadly.

Quote from: RaulMtz on February 08, 2023, 01:00:49 PM
Mexico City has also started using its own mixed case font. Again, I am not sure what font this is.


This is one of those humanist sans serifs I always get mixed up with each other, but I think it's Frutiger or something like it.
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef



Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.