Gas price signs are quickly being converted to LED. I like the look of Chervron's & Phillips 66's, with the white LED's, the best. Racetrac's are pretty cool, they have red, green, and amber for different grades.
Are there any chains using blue LED's?
So, take pictures of the old ones while you can. I suspect the chains will get the conversion done within the next decade (or less), and the old manual type will only been seen at older mom-and-pop stores in the country
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you would think that with the change, the 9/10 would go.
Why buck a tradition though? :awesomeface:
I'm sure a compelling reason for the conversion to LED is the convenience of altering the prices. It saves having to send someone up a ladder.
Quote from: Brian556 on December 03, 2018, 12:27:32 AMAre there any chains using blue LED's?
Yes, although I can't remember which one(s). Blue is harder for me to distinguish against a black background than any other primary color, and I suspect I'm not the only one (allegedly men can "see" fewer colors than women, plus I'm colorblind).
There's a loca gas station by me thatbuses red white and blue, needless to say the blue is almost impossible to read day and night
This blue is hard to read as an LED, but cyan should be just fine, and I haven't seen any of those at gas stations.
In Utah, blue generally is used to denote "ethanol-free" gas. Not the best photo, but it was the best I could find quickly:
(https://s3-media2.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/ioCArlFzmN5NcikJw8Lxow/ls.jpg)
This isn't that new, I think. I've seen LED for a while; although it isn't universal.
I wonder if there will be nostalgia for the pre-LED generation of signs. At this time, petroliana buffs like older stuff. I'm into oil company roadmaps myself and the one's I like are around fifty years of age; especially legacy brands like Esso or Atlantic.
This thread is about ten years too late for Utah; ever since the gas price spike in 2008, most stations have been converting to LED displays.
Quote from: Kniwt on December 03, 2018, 10:19:32 AM
In Utah, blue generally is used to denote "ethanol-free" gas. Not the best photo, but it was the best I could find quickly:
(https://s3-media2.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/ioCArlFzmN5NcikJw8Lxow/ls.jpg)
Here's another example in Centerville, Utah (https://goo.gl/maps/bieEaN4pdrp). I think it's a Maverik thing, since your picture appears to be in Nevada.
In gas station sign collections I've seen gas sold in prices ending in fractions other than 9/10th. I'll have to look for that when I get home.
Stewarts around here has used LED signs for a while, at least at their newer locations. They've also started converting the signs on the pump to LEDs. I can read the signs for the road just fine, but the ones at the pump are harder; my brain more easily picks up the dots for each individual LED at that distance.
I'm a little sad that most places are using the traditional squarish seven-segment displays instead of spending the extra few bucks for a full-matrix display that can show rounded digits.
Quote from: Brian556 on December 03, 2018, 12:27:32 AM
Are there any chains using blue LED's?
There's a Love's I pass by that uses blue for CNG.
Quote from: Truvelo on December 03, 2018, 06:47:47 AM
I'm sure a compelling reason for the conversion to LED is the convenience of altering the prices. It saves having to send someone up a ladder.
Actually at this station (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9148113,-75.3099072,3a,75y,325.32h,81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxHl6hCcb4HX_ihAKY7LDpA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) near me; the station manger changes the prices using suction cup with an extended arm to slide in-and-out the numbers. Note: the sign today still uses the old-school price numbers.
You'd think that, with all those LEDs, the numbers would be designed to look more natural and less like a digital alarm clock.
Quote from: kphoger on December 03, 2018, 02:20:11 PM
You'd think that, with all those LEDs, the numbers would be designed to look more natural and less like a digital alarm clock.
Well, you want them to be legible by passing drivers, above all else.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 03, 2018, 01:22:56 PM
I'm a little sad that most places are using the traditional squarish seven-segment displays instead of spending the extra few bucks for a full-matrix display that can show rounded digits.
Quote from: Brian556 on December 03, 2018, 12:27:32 AM
Are there any chains using blue LED's?
There's a Love's I pass by that uses blue for CNG.
So does a Wawa in Paulsboro, NJ (I think it's blue and white, actually). Amazingly, the GSV hasn't been updated since 2013, before they got the CNG pumps, and the more recent views from I-295 are blocked by trucks. (FWIW, CNG is self-serve in NJ)
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 03, 2018, 07:23:36 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 03, 2018, 12:27:32 AMAre there any chains using blue LED's?
Yes, although I can’t remember which one(s). Blue is harder for me to distinguish against a black background than any other primary color, and I suspect I’m not the only one (allegedly men can “see” fewer colors than women, plus I’m colorblind).
Those colors us men can't see must include yellow and brown, since women always notice and complain when we forget to flush
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 03, 2018, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 03, 2018, 02:20:11 PM
You'd think that, with all those LEDs, the numbers would be designed to look more natural and less like a digital alarm clock.
Well, you want them to be legible by passing drivers, above all else.
I really don't see how a 7-segment is more legible to passing drivers than something more closely resembling real numerals.
Quote from: Brian556 on December 03, 2018, 12:27:32 AM
Gas price signs are quickly being converted to LED. I like the look of Chervron's & Phillips 66's, with the white LED's, the best. Racetrac's are pretty cool, they have red, green, and amber for different grades.
Are there any chains using blue LED's?
So, take pictures of the old ones while you can.
You mean like this? https://www.google.com/maps/@42.504296,-83.1251927,3a,75y,191.41h,100.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srr10_9GJTigJrXss44BMOw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Quote from: Brian556 on December 03, 2018, 12:27:32 AM
Gas price signs are quickly being converted to LED. I like the look of Chervron's & Phillips 66's, with the white LED's, the best. Racetrac's are pretty cool, they have red, green, and amber for different grades.
Are there any chains using blue LED's?
So, take pictures of the old ones while you can. I suspect the chains will get the conversion done within the next decade (or less), and the old manual type will only been seen at older mom-and-pop stores in the country
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Here in California the LED Signs for gas prices have been around for nearly a decade.
You guys had me looking at gas stations on my way home from work. About half still use plastic rectangles for numerals. The other half have converted to LED. It never occurred to me that green stood for diesel (does that higher MPG offset the dirtier emissions and is it really more earth friendly?) Then again, last time I used diesel was in the Army.
Local regulations will prevent this sign from being converted to LEDs. This is in Leavenworth, Washington, where every sign has to be Bavarian, and wooden.
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One chain I have noticed that has not adapted LED price signs is QuikTrip. They seem to be happy for now with their black/white plastic numbers. IINM, another chain where I haven't seen LEDs yet is Murphy. All the ones by me are still plastic numbers.
The LED displays that have no decimal showing (it's not $205, it's $2.05), like the white ones found at most Chevron and Texaco locations, are a bit of a pet peeve, but they're not going to add the decimal point just for me.
The RaceTrac stores nearest me seem to have a bolder font for their LED signs than the ones in the picture posted above. Their LED signs are much better-looking than their sloppy old yellow/black metal ones. Now, if their stores were -- well, I guess that's another thread discussion altogether.
LED price signs seem to be quite the transformative thing in the gas/c-store industry. For the most part at the locations that have converted, the numbers are much easier to see. No more forgotten/faded numbers. No more lag between what the pump quotes and what the sign says. No more suction cup sticks, ladders, or weather issues when it's time to update.
Quote from: txstateends on December 04, 2018, 02:25:29 AMThe LED displays that have no decimal showing (it's not $205, it's $2.05), like the white ones found at most Chevron and Texaco locations, are a bit of a pet peeve, but they're not going to add the decimal point just for me.
In England, fuel prices are in pence per liter, meaning it's actually correct to omit the decimal point.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 04, 2018, 08:02:13 AM
Quote from: txstateends on December 04, 2018, 02:25:29 AMThe LED displays that have no decimal showing (it's not $205, it's $2.05), like the white ones found at most Chevron and Texaco locations, are a bit of a pet peeve, but they're not going to add the decimal point just for me.
In England, fuel prices are in pence per liter, meaning it's actually correct to omit the decimal point.
Also, the Chevron sign quoted above doesn't appear to have a $ anywhere on it, so the argument can be made that the price displayed is simply 269 9/10 cents.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 03, 2018, 07:23:36 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 03, 2018, 12:27:32 AMAre there any chains using blue LED's?
Yes, although I can't remember which one(s). Blue is harder for me to distinguish against a black background than any other primary color, and I suspect I'm not the only one (allegedly men can "see" fewer colors than women, plus I'm colorblind).
I know some Chevrons use white LEDs. Also, I have seen a few gas stations out there that use amber LEDs.
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on December 03, 2018, 11:50:44 PM
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Regular is either really cheap or really expensive!
(31.99¢ or $31.99 per gallon)
ETA: I once pumped diesel at a station that had entered the decimal point in the wrong place on the pump. Instead of, say, $3.199 per gallon, the attendant had entered $.3199 or $.03199 per gallon (can't remember which). I only noticed because the dollar amount was increasing
re-e-e-ally slowly as I pumped. When I went in to pay with my fleet card, I let her know that the price per gallon was incorrect. She said it had been like that all day, but hardly anyone uses that diesel pump so it had gone unnoticed. But correcting that transaction was all sorts of convoluted, because I had already pumped the fuel. If I had brought it to her attention ahead of time, it would have been much simpler.
Quote from: kphoger on December 04, 2018, 01:42:45 PM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on December 03, 2018, 11:50:44 PM
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Regular is either really cheap or really expensive!
(31.99¢ or $31.99 per gallon)
ETA: I once pumped diesel at a station that had entered the decimal point in the wrong place on the pump. Instead of, say, $3.199 per gallon, the attendant had entered $.3199 or $.03199 per gallon (can't remember which). I only noticed because the dollar amount was increasing re-e-e-ally slowly as I pumped. When I went in to pay with my fleet card, I let her know that the price per gallon was incorrect. She said it had been like that all day, but hardly anyone uses that diesel pump so it had gone unnoticed. But correcting that transaction was all sorts of convoluted, because I had already pumped the fuel. If I had brought it to her attention ahead of time, it would have been much simpler.
At least it ensured the next customer paid the correct price.
Also, that sign is hideous.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 04, 2018, 02:20:19 PM
At least it ensured the next customer paid the correct price.
She told me it actually save her job. Any variance of more than $20 was an automatic termination, she said.
Slightly off-topic, but once upon a time, gas was sold in prices not ending in 9/10th of a cent. The first pump must have still been in use when Shell converted all its US stations to liters in preparation for our metric conversion. Converting the units to liters also meant that they could push back the day when the pumps had to go past a dollar for a unit of measure.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4820/44419673320_0ac629a604_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aFdrjy)Manual gas pump readout in liters and ending in 4/10th of a cent (https://flic.kr/p/2aFdrjy) by Arthur Allen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/116988743@N07/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4826/46236782171_283b13e347_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2drMAtv)8/10th of a cent gas station numbetr (https://flic.kr/p/2drMAtv) by Arthur Allen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/116988743@N07/), on Flickr
What I don't like about a lot of the signs shown in this thread is that they don't show the prices for all the grades of gas. They typically show just 87 octane (so-called "regular") and diesel. It's hardly unusual for cars to specify 91 or higher (so-called "premium" or "super") and it's damn annoying when stations don't post the price on the sign because the price variance across grades of gas can vary widely. Back when I first started driving about 30 years ago it was pretty much the standard around here that prices varied by 10¢ per grade (so if 87 was 99¢ a gallon, 89 would be $1.09 and 92 would be $1.19–92 was the norm for super back then except at Exxon, which had 93). Nowadays it tends to be more than that, but the variance can vary between stations. There are some stations near my house where one of them will charge 70¢ more for 93 while another might charge 40¢ more. That's over $6.00 difference on my usual 15.5-gallon fillup (I usually wait until the yellow light comes on).
More general comment: I find it amusing when I drive down South and some stations advertise the price for "unleaded." It's not like they sell leaded gas anymore!
Regarding the tenths of a cent, I remember when I was a little kid there was one station in Fairfax City that posted the prices with 7/10 for some reason. Never knew why, and my parents never got gas there because the Volvo 165 they had at the time seemed to run better on Shell (leaded) and that station was, IIRC, a Homoco (no joke). How's that for a station name that would cause all sorts of screaming today?
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on December 08, 2018, 08:29:35 PM
Slightly off-topic, but once upon a time, gas was sold in prices not ending in 9/10th of a cent. The first pump must have still been in use when Shell converted all its US stations to liters in preparation for our metric conversion. Converting the units to liters also meant that they could push back the day when the pumps had to go past a dollar for a unit of measure.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4820/44419673320_0ac629a604_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aFdrjy)Manual gas pump readout in liters and ending in 4/10th of a cent (https://flic.kr/p/2aFdrjy) by Arthur Allen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/116988743@N07/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4826/46236782171_283b13e347_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2drMAtv)8/10th of a cent gas station numbetr (https://flic.kr/p/2drMAtv) by Arthur Allen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/116988743@N07/), on Flickr
Interesting that the pump was used in the US, yet the labels use the UK/Commonwealth spelling of "liter."
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 09, 2018, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on December 08, 2018, 08:29:35 PM
Slightly off-topic, but once upon a time, gas was sold in prices not ending in 9/10th of a cent. The first pump must have still been in use when Shell converted all its US stations to liters in preparation for our metric conversion. Converting the units to liters also meant that they could push back the day when the pumps had to go past a dollar for a unit of measure.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4820/44419673320_0ac629a604_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aFdrjy)Manual gas pump readout in liters and ending in 4/10th of a cent (https://flic.kr/p/2aFdrjy) by Arthur Allen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/116988743@N07/), on Flickr
Interesting that the pump was used in the US, yet the labels use the UK/Commonwealth spelling of "liter."
Are we sure that pump wasn't from Canada when it went metric?
Quote from: GenExpwy on December 10, 2018, 03:46:31 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 09, 2018, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on December 08, 2018, 08:29:35 PM
Slightly off-topic, but once upon a time, gas was sold in prices not ending in 9/10th of a cent. The first pump must have still been in use when Shell converted all its US stations to liters in preparation for our metric conversion. Converting the units to liters also meant that they could push back the day when the pumps had to go past a dollar for a unit of measure.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4820/44419673320_0ac629a604_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aFdrjy)Manual gas pump readout in liters and ending in 4/10th of a cent (https://flic.kr/p/2aFdrjy) by Arthur Allen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/116988743@N07/), on Flickr
Interesting that the pump was used in the US, yet the labels use the UK/Commonwealth spelling of "liter."
Are we sure that pump wasn't from Canada when it went metric?
During the early 1980s, some companies in the US did briefly experiment with dispensing gas in liters. Such was done in anticipation of the US fully changing over to the metric system a few years down the road as well as many of the pumps at the time weren't set up to accommodate price settings higher than $0.999/gallon. Other stations temporarily resorted to charging by the half-gallon until their pumps were upgraded.
As far as the fraction-of-a-penny/gallon pricing is concerned; from what I was told, such dates back to the gas-price-wars (that lowered prices) during the 1960s. Back then, it was not uncommon to see prices that differed by a fraction of a cent per gallon among gas stations. The difference between $0.255/gallon vs. $0.259/gallon was and is a lot more significant than (as an example) $2.555/gallon vs. $2.559/gallon.
There was one c-store I saw in east TX that did their pump display in liters, then had a conversion chart sticker on the pump for those who wanted to know the gallon equivalent. I think that might have lasted a couple of years, maybe.
Quote from: txstateends on December 10, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
There was one c-store I saw in east TX that did their pump display in liters, then had a conversion chart sticker on the pump for those who wanted to know the gallon equivalent. I think that might have lasted a couple of years, maybe.
It's simple, just multiply the number on the pump display by 3.78.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: txstateends on December 10, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
There was one c-store I saw in east TX that did their pump display in liters, then had a conversion chart sticker on the pump for those who wanted to know the gallon equivalent. I think that might have lasted a couple of years, maybe.
It's simple, just multiply the number on the pump display by 3.78.
But back before everybody had a calculator in their pocket, expecting people to actually do that math in their head? Sure, 4 is close, but that approximation becomes less useful as the numbers get bigger.
Quote from: US 89 on December 10, 2018, 03:51:12 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: txstateends on December 10, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
There was one c-store I saw in east TX that did their pump display in liters, then had a conversion chart sticker on the pump for those who wanted to know the gallon equivalent. I think that might have lasted a couple of years, maybe.
It's simple, just multiply the number on the pump display by 3.78.
But back before everybody had a calculator in their pocket, expecting people to actually do that math in their head? Sure, 4 is close, but that approximation becomes less useful as the numbers get bigger.
Other than tracking fuel economy, why would one actually need to know the gallon equivalent anyway?
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 10, 2018, 03:51:12 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: txstateends on December 10, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
There was one c-store I saw in east TX that did their pump display in liters, then had a conversion chart sticker on the pump for those who wanted to know the gallon equivalent. I think that might have lasted a couple of years, maybe.
It's simple, just multiply the number on the pump display by 3.78.
But back before everybody had a calculator in their pocket, expecting people to actually do that math in their head? Sure, 4 is close, but that approximation becomes less useful as the numbers get bigger.
Other than tracking fuel economy, why would one actually need to know the gallon equivalent anyway?
I was just joking, guys.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 10, 2018, 03:51:12 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: txstateends on December 10, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
There was one c-store I saw in east TX that did their pump display in liters, then had a conversion chart sticker on the pump for those who wanted to know the gallon equivalent. I think that might have lasted a couple of years, maybe.
It's simple, just multiply the number on the pump display by 3.78.
But back before everybody had a calculator in their pocket, expecting people to actually do that math in their head? Sure, 4 is close, but that approximation becomes less useful as the numbers get bigger.
Other than tracking fuel economy, why would one actually need to know the gallon equivalent anyway?
I was just joking, guys.
Really? I actually do (a) track gas mileage by the tank and (b) drive to Mexico, which dispenses fuel by the liter. So I'm one who really does the conversion with some regularity. And I suspect I'm not the only on the forum who does this sort of thing.
In fact, at the top of each page of my fuel and service log, I have...
1 gallon = 3.785 liters (miles) x (3.785) ÷ (liters) = m.p.g....to remind me how to do the conversion. Of course, I use that "calculator in my pocket" to do the math for me...
Quote from: GenExpwy on December 10, 2018, 03:46:31 AM
Are we sure that pump wasn't from Canada when it went metric?
The pumps are in Issaquah, Washington. (https://goo.gl/maps/oKasvgsCfis) The legend above the upper numbers says "Gallons delivered," so it seems like only a partial conversion. The other pump still says gallons. Cursory research has not revealed if the pumps are original to the location, but it's always been a Shell station.
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 10, 2018, 03:51:12 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: txstateends on December 10, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
There was one c-store I saw in east TX that did their pump display in liters, then had a conversion chart sticker on the pump for those who wanted to know the gallon equivalent. I think that might have lasted a couple of years, maybe.
It's simple, just multiply the number on the pump display by 3.78.
But back before everybody had a calculator in their pocket, expecting people to actually do that math in their head? Sure, 4 is close, but that approximation becomes less useful as the numbers get bigger.
Other than tracking fuel economy, why would one actually need to know the gallon equivalent anyway?
I was just joking, guys.
Really? I actually do (a) track gas mileage by the tank and (b) drive to Mexico, which dispenses fuel by the liter. So I'm one who really does the conversion with some regularity. And I suspect I'm not the only on the forum who does this sort of thing.
In fact, at the top of each page of my fuel and service log, I have...
1 gallon = 3.785 liters (miles) x (3.785) ÷ (liters) = m.p.g.
...to remind me how to do the conversion. Of course, I use that "calculator in my pocket" to do the math for me...
You probably are one of the very few. Who else normally goes to a different country on a regular basis to begin with?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 10, 2018, 11:17:20 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 10, 2018, 03:51:12 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: txstateends on December 10, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
There was one c-store I saw in east TX that did their pump display in liters, then had a conversion chart sticker on the pump for those who wanted to know the gallon equivalent. I think that might have lasted a couple of years, maybe.
It's simple, just multiply the number on the pump display by 3.78.
But back before everybody had a calculator in their pocket, expecting people to actually do that math in their head? Sure, 4 is close, but that approximation becomes less useful as the numbers get bigger.
Other than tracking fuel economy, why would one actually need to know the gallon equivalent anyway?
I was just joking, guys.
Really? I actually do (a) track gas mileage by the tank and (b) drive to Mexico, which dispenses fuel by the liter. So I'm one who really does the conversion with some regularity. And I suspect I'm not the only on the forum who does this sort of thing.
In fact, at the top of each page of my fuel and service log, I have...
1 gallon = 3.785 liters (miles) x (3.785) ÷ (liters) = m.p.g.
...to remind me how to do the conversion. Of course, I use that "calculator in my pocket" to do the math for me...
You probably are one of the very few. Who else normally goes to a different country on a regular basis to begin with?
We have several US-based users who regularly drive in Canada.
I was joking about it being easy to multiply most numbers by 3.78.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 11, 2018, 03:09:44 PM
I was joking about it being easy to multiply most numbers by 3.78.
It's decently easy, however, to multiply by four and just round down a bit.
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on December 10, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: GenExpwy on December 10, 2018, 03:46:31 AM
Are we sure that pump wasn't from Canada when it went metric?
The pumps are in Issaquah, Washington. (https://goo.gl/maps/oKasvgsCfis) The legend above the upper numbers says "Gallons delivered," so it seems like only a partial conversion. The other pump still says gallons. Cursory research has not revealed if the pumps are original to the location, but it's always been a Shell station.
Bizarre that they chose the Commonwealth spelling, "litre" instead of the US spelling, "liter".
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: txstateends on December 10, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
There was one c-store I saw in east TX that did their pump display in liters, then had a conversion chart sticker on the pump for those who wanted to know the gallon equivalent. I think that might have lasted a couple of years, maybe.
It's simple, just multiply the number on the pump display by 3.78.
Apologies for being that guy, but you would
divide the liters by 3.78 to get gallons. You would multiply
gallons by 3.78 to get to liters.
Quote from: Brandon on December 11, 2018, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on December 10, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: GenExpwy on December 10, 2018, 03:46:31 AM
Are we sure that pump wasn't from Canada when it went metric?
The pumps are in Issaquah, Washington. (https://goo.gl/maps/oKasvgsCfis) The legend above the upper numbers says "Gallons delivered," so it seems like only a partial conversion. The other pump still says gallons. Cursory research has not revealed if the pumps are original to the location, but it's always been a Shell station.
Bizarre that they chose the Commonwealth spelling, "litre" instead of the US spelling, "liter".
Maybe they got the sticker from Canada.
And, despite the printing above that says "Gallons Delivered", I'll bet that was calibrated in liters too. It would be a rare machine that would have internal gearing to price in liters but measure in gallons.
And, for those of you not yet following along and too young to remember, this was a common stop-gap measure taken in the oil embargo that also resulted in the 55 mph NMSL. Gas pumps could dispense in gallons or liters, so they could be used in US or Canada. But they didn't have the capability of having a price greater than 99.9 cents per unit, no matter what units were used. Until new machines were ordered, the stations switched to metric dispensing.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 11, 2018, 06:54:00 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: txstateends on December 10, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
There was one c-store I saw in east TX that did their pump display in liters, then had a conversion chart sticker on the pump for those who wanted to know the gallon equivalent. I think that might have lasted a couple of years, maybe.
It's simple, just multiply the number on the pump display by 3.78.
Apologies for being that guy, but you would divide the liters by 3.78 to get gallons. You would multiply gallons by 3.78 to get to liters.
Wow, how did all of us miss that point?
Quote from: kphoger on December 11, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 10, 2018, 11:17:20 PM
You probably are one of the very few. Who else normally goes to a different country on a regular basis to begin with?
We have several US-based users who regularly drive in Canada.
I might add that I am one of those people, but our trips and planning are usually such that we don't have to fuel up in Canada. I would imagine anyone living within a few hours of the border has at least driven in the other country a few times. Everyone with a license, that is.
Quote from: webny99 on December 11, 2018, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 11, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 10, 2018, 11:17:20 PM
You probably are one of the very few. Who else normally goes to a different country on a regular basis to begin with?
We have several US-based users who regularly drive in Canada.
I might add that I am one of those people, but our trips and planning are usually such that we don't have to fuel up in Canada. I would imagine anyone living within a few hours of the border has at least driven in the other country a few times. Everyone with a license, that is.
I live in Connecticut, am middle aged, and have been in Canada thrice. But I've only driven into Canada once.
I happened to fill up at the Speedway on Route 9 in Latham, New York, yesterday afternoon while they were doing their conversion. The old sign had all grades listed with the style they inherited from the station's days as a Hess. The new one looks like it will display prices for only the lowest and highest grades.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2F%7Eterescoj%2Fspeedway.jpg&hash=92de8941af2a2111ede160bb6100ab6226ad7ab5)
Quote from: Jim on December 13, 2018, 08:11:00 AM
I happened to fill up at the Speedway on Route 9 in Latham, New York, yesterday afternoon while they were doing their conversion. The old sign had all grades listed with the style they inherited from the station's days as a Hess. The new one looks like it will display prices for only the lowest and highest grades.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2F%7Eterescoj%2Fspeedway.jpg&hash=92de8941af2a2111ede160bb6100ab6226ad7ab5)
I've seen 8.88 before. I have never seen 0.00 before, though.
Now here's a different and neat-looking one in Atlanta, TX:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1146783,-94.1684077,3a,31y,317.21h,90.61t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1s9TwkG49rKMYm4N7P8yMjWA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D9TwkG49rKMYm4N7P8yMjWA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D186.64119%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1146783,-94.1684077,3a,31y,317.21h,90.61t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1s9TwkG49rKMYm4N7P8yMjWA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D9TwkG49rKMYm4N7P8yMjWA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D186.64119%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)
Chevron Signs in the Dallas area are White LED, but the ones around Marshall are Red LED