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UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« on: August 24, 2017, 07:16:42 PM »

http://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2017/08/24/udot-seeks-to-convert-us-89-into-a-freeway-in-davis-county/

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The Utah Department of Transportation is proposing to convert U.S. 89 into a full freeway in Davis County to connect Interstates 15 and 84.

That preferred alternative in a new draft environmental study released Thursday is designed to relieve severe and worsening congestion on the 10-mile corridor, as well as to improve safety and even speed up east-west traffic that crosses it.

But an opposition group says putting a freeway in what is now almost an entirely residential area will attract commercialization that will ruin communities. Neighbors prefer widening nearby Interstate 15 instead ó similar to what happened in Utah County.

UDOT project website: http://www.udot.utah.gov/us89/

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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 09:13:08 AM »

Isn't that a little too close to I-15? If anything, I'd rather see the Interstate widened instead.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2017, 10:36:15 AM »

^ It's largely urban/suburban area and 89 is already an arterial.  Traffic volumes generally justify a freeway.  Plus that segment of I-15 is already 6+ lanes and the southern part of it would be tricky to widen further.

History tidbit:  UDOT requested Interstate mileage for this segment of 89 when the 1968 highway act added 1,500 miles to the Interstate system.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 03:14:24 PM »

History tidbit:  UDOT requested Interstate mileage for this segment of 89 when the 1968 highway act added 1,500 miles to the Interstate system.

And those were the last chargeable additions to the system; the '73 Title 23 revisions essentially put a stop to further funded additions (although "Howard-Cramer" mileage shifts and adjustments were able to avail themselves of funding).  It's not likely that there will be a similar push today re this segment of US 89 -- there's just no point!
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2017, 03:50:12 PM »

What would the right-of-way impacts be if UDOT went this route? How many homes and businesses would have to be demolished in order to complete the upgrades to the corridor?
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2017, 05:19:11 PM »

28 houses, 3 businesses.  This does not count other adjacent properties which UDOT already owns.

Adding interchanges on US-89 has been sitting on the RTP for decades, so it's hardly a surprise.

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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2017, 06:55:20 PM »

History tidbit:  UDOT requested Interstate mileage for this segment of 89 when the 1968 highway act added 1,500 miles to the Interstate system.

 
And those were the last chargeable additions to the system; the '73 Title 23 revisions essentially put a stop to further funded additions (although "Howard-Cramer" mileage shifts and adjustments were able to avail themselves of funding).  It's not likely that there will be a similar push today re this segment of US 89 -- there's just no point!

Most likely, UDOT will just keep this US-89 (familiarity and no need to build to 100% standards), but if they did apply for an I designation, I'd suggest I-x84 (probably odd and I-184) as a lot of traffic is from WB I-84 headed south to I-15 and back, but that's me.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2017, 09:18:24 PM »

"will attract commercialization that will ruin communities"

I would say, prove it. Find evidence of another freeway construction in Utah that ruined a community. Otherwise, this is just NIMBY speak.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2017, 09:55:18 PM »

I hear a lot of moaning about the sprawl in the valley and how it indeed turned small, agricultural towns into suburban hell.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2017, 12:29:49 AM »

I notice this plan does not include an upgrade of the I-84/US-89 interchange to full freeway standards. I hope that's the next step (and maybe they can renumber the exit from SB 89 to WB 84 from 87 to 406, like it should be).

As for the NIMBYs wanting to widen I-15 instead and referencing Utah County, those projects actually didn't eliminate congestion. They just allowed more cars to get through the same bottlenecks at the same speeds as before. If 15 is widened instead of upgrading 89, it won't do much good.

That said, I-15 should probably be widened north of Hill Field Rd anyway. It's a 6 lane section with 8 or 10 lane sections on either side of it, and I've never been on that stretch when traffic isn't heavy.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2017, 05:01:46 AM »

Honestly it was bound to happen considering how dangerous those at-grade intersections are. US-89 and Bangerter are always welcome upgrades to me.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2017, 11:23:14 AM »

"will attract commercialization that will ruin communities"

I would say, prove it. Find evidence of another freeway construction in Utah that ruined a community. Otherwise, this is just NIMBY speak.

I mean, anyone who enjoyed living in a small town like Farr West or Spanish Fork or Bluffdale before I-15 made suburban sprawl a reality could make a legitimate argument that freeway construction ruined their communities.

It's silly to pretend freeways don't have impacts. Diesel exhaust kills, and fewer stops = more trucks = more exhaust. I'm not saying freeways should never be built, but don't dismiss the very real impacts out of hand.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2017, 09:44:27 PM »

"will attract commercialization that will ruin communities"

I would say, prove it. Find evidence of another freeway construction in Utah that ruined a community. Otherwise, this is just NIMBY speak.

I mean, anyone who enjoyed living in a small town like Farr West or Spanish Fork or Bluffdale before I-15 made suburban sprawl a reality could make a legitimate argument that freeway construction ruined their communities.

It's silly to pretend freeways don't have impacts. Diesel exhaust kills, and fewer stops = more trucks = more exhaust. I'm not saying freeways should never be built, but don't dismiss the very real impacts out of hand.

The difference between your Farr West/Spanish Fork example and the Layton east bench is that suburban sprawl has already occurred today. This area is almost completely urbanized, with what little new development there is replacing agriculture on the west side near the lake.

US-89 is already a major expressway running through this area, and it's inadequate for current/projected traffic volumes, which is the primary reason for the upgrade. Aside from the 28 homes which have to be torn down, US-89 in its current state has already "ruined" those communities.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2017, 11:59:29 PM »

Perhaps sprawl would be a valid argument if this was a community sandwiched right in the middle of the metro (between Ogden and SLC).

Is this were Perry or Payson, perhaps you'd have a valid argument.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2018, 08:25:12 PM »

From KSL: 6 lanes still planned for US 89 through Davis, Weber counties.

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Although keeping the highway at four lanes was considered, the change was not included in newly released revisions to a draft state environmental study for the $275 million project expected to be completed in 2021.

"This has become a major thoroughfare and changes are needed," UDOT Region One spokesman Vic Saunders said, including adding a lane in each direction to accommodate projected increases in traffic.

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Concerns about widening the highway were raised after the initial draft statement was released in October, so Saunders said UDOT is planning to use quieter, noise-dampening pavement and erect sound walls to reduce the impact.

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Saunders said a new connection to the expressway will be at Gordon Avenue in Layton, which has been realigned to help property owners in the area as well as to conform with plans by the city.

Another change from the initial draft is a new northbound ramp at state Route 193 connecting with Valley View Drive in Layton to provide access to residents living east of the expressway.

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Saunders said UDOT is hoping for final approval for the project by early summer, with construction planned to be underway in the fall of 2019. He said it should take two years to finish.

Here's a PDF with maps.


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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2018, 01:51:58 PM »

Gauging from those maps and illustrations, it appears what isn't being considered within the scope of these plans is a freeway-to-freeway interchange with I-84 (plans for the southern terminus at I-15 seem to be MIA).  I'd guess that UDOT would rather maintain the status of I-15 as the primary through route between SLC and Ogden; the US 89 upgrade would be simply for safety/efficiency to local traffic. 
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2018, 06:07:59 PM »

Gauging from those maps and illustrations, it appears what isn't being considered within the scope of these plans is a freeway-to-freeway interchange with I-84 (plans for the southern terminus at I-15 seem to be MIA).  I'd guess that UDOT would rather maintain the status of I-15 as the primary through route between SLC and Ogden; the US 89 upgrade would be simply for safety/efficiency to local traffic.

South of SR-273, US 89 is already built up to freeway standards, so UDOT idnít include that part of US 89 in this study.

I agree with your point about the I-84 interchange, and I even posted about it upthread. I feel like I remember hearing that something was to be done there around 2025, but I canít remember where.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2018, 11:06:49 PM »

This doesn't seem like a terrible plan to me. Impacts I expected to be higher here. It should only be done if the I84 interchange it would intersect gets upgraded. $275 million isn't too bad for a freeway here.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 03:51:54 PM »

I don't see a problem with building the freeway upgrade of US-89 between S Main Street and I-84 and putting off building a new US-89/I-84 freeway to freeway interchange at a later date. Build what you can afford to get built now rather than waiting later when it costs a lot more. It looks like there's already enough ROW at the existing US-89/I-84 partial cloverleaf interchange to build direct connect fly-over ramps in a T-configuration between I-84 and US-89. Meanwhile, some properties will have to be taken for the US-89 freeway upgrade. It's going to be a lot cheaper to buy up and clear the affected properties now rather than wait until both the freeway and US-89/I-84 interchange can be done at the same time.
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Re: UDOT wants to make US 89 a freeway from I-15 to I-84
« Reply #19 on: Today at 11:13:03 AM »

Traffic report on the radio this morning:  I-15 southbound (inbound) had a couple of crashes through Kaysville, so everyone was jumping over to US-89.  Sounds like they broke it.  Signals all failed with people having to wait 2-3 cycles to get through.

The day has arrived.  Time for the US-89 freeway.
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