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Re: Florida
« Reply #3575 on: January 22, 2023, 08:22:06 PM »

I finished mapping the state roads as they existed in 1945: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jN2a1kHL8hFXe9PO8agPoHMOCjt2RyU

Nice work. Quick question:  Is this how the roads were before or after the great renumbering?
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3576 on: January 23, 2023, 06:45:41 AM »

I finished mapping the state roads as they existed in 1945: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jN2a1kHL8hFXe9PO8agPoHMOCjt2RyU

Outstanding work and excellent notes! :clap:

Nice work. Quick question:  Is this how the roads were before or after the great renumbering?

From looking at a few dozen routes, this was the great renumbering; however, there were additional changes all the way up to around 1983, though usually to shorter local routes.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3577 on: January 23, 2023, 11:20:28 AM »

I finished mapping the state roads as they existed in 1945: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jN2a1kHL8hFXe9PO8agPoHMOCjt2RyU

Nice work. Quick question:  Is this how the roads were before or after the great renumbering?


This is just after the renumbering. One of the linked sources is the 1945 log.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3578 on: January 23, 2023, 11:47:01 AM »

And wait until the new DDI with a planned Buc-ee's a nearby opens on the north side of Ocala, and see traffic congestion further increase.
https://www.cflroads.com/project/435209-1/I-75_at_NW_49_St_Project_Development_and_Environment_PD_E_Study
Is this interchange still being proposed? Because I heard that the Buc-ee's is supposed to be moved to SR 326 now.
https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/regional/florida/bucees-florida-locations-ocala-new/67-eedca7e9-bf4e-4707-9d00-3358da3ae409

https://www.wfla.com/news/is-florida-getting-another-buc-ees-location/

We've been to both in Florida and can now say "We've been to Buc-ee's" -- both were like Walmart and Best Buy wrapped up together on Black Friday, both in the parking lot and in the store. The brisket is good but not worth the anxiety.

If/when the Ocala one is built, if in whichever location, will they push for access to the east from U.S. 301? If nothing else, this would avoid having to travel a short stretch of I-75 to get to or from exit 358 and Zuber to get to or from U.S. 301 (depending on whether going north or south).

If nothing else, it would be nice if FDOT would upgrade the northbound off ramp at 358 by extending it further south; at times it stacks up and spills into the travel lane due to the truck stops there and as the preferred connection to continue north on U.S. 301. The ultimate, as I have seen someone post here, would be a limited-access extension of U.S. 301 from its junction with U.S. 441 west to a direct interchange with I-75.

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Re: Florida
« Reply #3579 on: January 23, 2023, 09:31:29 PM »

I finished mapping the state roads as they existed in 1945: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jN2a1kHL8hFXe9PO8agPoHMOCjt2RyU

NE2, I see a few that I was previously unware of in the Orlando area. Could you give me some route numbers and any other info you have on the following:

1.In Forest City, the route using Bear Lake Rd and Bunnell Rd

2. Ronald Regan Blvd/ Anchor Rd

3. South Sanford Ave crossing the western part of Lake Jessup? Was there a ferry, or was this a never-completed route?

4. Kaley Ave, turning north on Mills Ave, up to Briarcliff Dr

5. The route leaving Narcoosee Rd at Aljay Lake, Intersecting US 192 at US 441. Looks like a proposed relocation of SR 15
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3580 on: January 23, 2023, 09:37:35 PM »

Click on each route and it'll give the number.
1. 434
2. 434
3. 425 (proposed)
The first three are shown on https://catalog.archives.gov/id/12007964
4. 600: this one is explicitly described in the 1945 log, but I've never seen any map showing it.
5. 15 (proposed)
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3581 on: January 29, 2023, 01:43:47 PM »

Not sure if anyone has seen this, but here's a video showing the Sunshine Skyway in the 1950's.

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Re: Florida
« Reply #3582 on: January 31, 2023, 11:09:50 AM »



  I saw in the news that Governor Desantis has fast tracked 20 projects across the state as part of his moving FL forward initiative. One that I am thrilled about is the widening of I 75 through Ocala down to the turnpike. This project is way overdue, as the growth through the area has been explosive. Another Project closer to me is the widening of Panama City Beach parkway. The parkway was once a rural bypass is now clogged with bummer to bummer traffic with new retail and residential buildings going up every year. Hopefully FDOT will consider adding for flyovers to the road. The flyover near the port of Panama City is nice and really helped with the traffic.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/01/30/watch-live-gov-desantis-holds-news-conference-in-polk-county/
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3583 on: January 31, 2023, 05:36:17 PM »

Does anyone here know how much of the north "side" of FL-429/Wekiva Parkway is open? Google Maps is showing the southbound(westbound) side as being open all the way to I-4. Might be heading that way and would like to know, otherwise I'll just stick with FL-46 to make the connection.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3584 on: January 31, 2023, 07:17:40 PM »

Does anyone here know how much of the north "side" of FL-429/Wekiva Parkway is open? Google Maps is showing the southbound(westbound) side as being open all the way to I-4. Might be heading that way and would like to know, otherwise I'll just stick with FL-46 to make the connection.

Wow!  It is certainly close to completion.  The Wekiva Parkway official website shows that the new mainline is not yet complete from International Parkway in Lake Mary -to- FL-46.  But Google Maps actually shows that the westbound mainline lanes of Wekiva Parkway are partially open from the I-4 [southbound] offramp all the way around.  It looks like you could come down I-4 from Daytona and hit the Wekiva Parkway and take it all the way around, cross I-4 and land at the current dead end on International Parkway.  That's not a clinch in my book, but I also would feel like I've "driven the whole thing" after this kind of a trip.  Right now, you can't do this in the clockwise direction.

Still no official word on when the Wekiva Parkway will be fully complete.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3585 on: February 01, 2023, 03:58:45 PM »

I don't actually believe Google Map's depiction that the segment from I-4 to FL-46 is open, hence my question.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3586 on: February 01, 2023, 04:33:21 PM »

It is open, only accessible from I-4 westbound.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3587 on: February 05, 2023, 12:24:43 AM »

I don't actually believe Google Map's depiction that the segment from I-4 to FL-46 is open, hence my question.

Here's a news article about it.
https://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/2022/10/20/state-readies-to-open-1st-connection-from-i-4-to-the-wekiva-parkway/

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Re: Florida
« Reply #3588 on: February 14, 2023, 03:38:22 PM »

FL-429 is indeed open, but the exit tab is covered up on I-4 south. Nice and empty...... for now. I'll take it over the I-4 dumpster fire.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3589 on: February 16, 2023, 12:00:32 AM »

FDOT wants to widen I-75 in Collier and Lee Counties. One section would go from 6 general purpose lanes to 8 and another would get 4 express lanes. Amazingly, they have no plans for tolls
https://www.gulfshorebusiness.com/fdot-considers-interchange-lane-improvements-for-i-75-south-corridor/
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3590 on: February 18, 2023, 02:00:25 AM »

Who has pictures related to Overpass Road and the new Exit 282 on I-75 in southern Pasco County?

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« Reply #3591 on: February 18, 2023, 07:56:43 AM »

Who has pictures related to Overpass Road and the new Exit 282 on I-75 in southern Pasco County?

I posted photos of it both to Facebook and on AARoads the day it opened.

I-75 north
I-75 south



Two lanes of the four lane SR 52 realignment south of St. Leo and Dade City opened to traffic yesterday as well.
https://www.facebook.com/MyFDOTTampa/posts/pfbid02KNZD9dq1FEiTDDF3wgiz36CGxUtqzHW6y8eRXkVYnrys3pPcznGmz94ZVMgMiPqYl

Fox13 News reported that the other four lanes will open in late 2023...

Have not checked it out yet, but will within the next week.

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« Reply #3592 on: February 21, 2023, 01:25:05 AM »

Well, when I was driving into Polk County back on February 15, SR 52 was part of my route, and I noticed a lot of new county road shields hidden in bags. That was when I decided I had better snap some pics of the road for Wikimedia Commons before they shift it over to the new section.

The traffic at the time was terrible, FYI.

BTW, I found traffic to be worse along Pasco CR 54 that afternoon, so I thought I'd take a detour to CR 530, believing it would lead to Overpass Road. I was DEAD WRONG. Instead, it became a dirt road after you pass Wal-Mart, like it has always done, and that dirt road was so rough I thought it would shake my car to pieces!

Luckily I got some Overpass Road pics of my own.

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Re: Florida
« Reply #3593 on: February 21, 2023, 02:54:12 PM »

Speaking of Polk County, I took the Deen Still Rd. detour to avoid the I-4 dumpster fire. When the VMSes were quoting 45mins to go from Exit 48 to 55 (US-27), I figured it couldn't be too bad. My destination was off of Ronald Reagan Parkway anyway, so it wasn't too out of the way. Not a bad drive, although part of the road needs a repave.

The intersection with US-27 needs to be reconfigured though. Two thru lanes are needed eastbound across US-27.
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« Reply #3594 on: February 22, 2023, 10:45:25 PM »

Here's another Polk County topic; I'm going to post some pics of it tomorrow in the Wikimedia Commons, but for now I'm adding a GSV link:
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8362664,-81.5282028,3a,75y,56.08h,96.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssogAlEFaorDP8v7XIrMqvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
This is Libby Road in Babson Park, Florida east of Scenic SR 17. The bridge described in that sign has a 9'6" clearance, carried the former Haines City Branch of the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad, and is made entirely of wood.

Here's a closer view;
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8365756,-81.5276674,3a,75y,75.87h,83.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXh-U5511K1CT__zgIVn1rA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Try to convince me this was made in the 20th Century, or at least after 1920. I dare you.

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Re: Florida
« Reply #3595 on: March 01, 2023, 12:30:11 PM »

[Just saw this on the news while visiting our grandson and family.]

"Major changes could eventually be coming to one of the bridges that connect Tampa and St. Petersburg. Right now, the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) is designing potential improvements for Gandy Bridge to benefit drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Though the process is still in its infancy and lacks most of the funding it will need to proceed, Tuesday night, FDOT engineers presented their tentative vision to dozens of people during a public meeting at the Pinellas Park Performing Arts Center."

See https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/driving-tampa-bay-forward/fdot-shares-vision-to-widen-gandy-bridge-improve-congestion

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« Reply #3596 on: March 01, 2023, 06:21:13 PM »

[Just saw this on the news while visiting our grandson and family.]

"Major changes could eventually be coming to one of the bridges that connect Tampa and St. Petersburg. Right now, the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) is designing potential improvements for Gandy Bridge to benefit drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Though the process is still in its infancy and lacks most of the funding it will need to proceed, Tuesday night, FDOT engineers presented their tentative vision to dozens of people during a public meeting at the Pinellas Park Performing Arts Center."

See https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/driving-tampa-bay-forward/fdot-shares-vision-to-widen-gandy-bridge-improve-congestion

Bruce in Blacksburg (temporarily in St. Pete)

A no-brainer, really, and I hope they're able to secure funding. Pinellas County can use all the improved connectivity it can get, and making things safer for peds/bikes is icing on the cake.
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« Reply #3597 on: March 03, 2023, 08:05:52 AM »

[Just saw this on the news while visiting our grandson and family.]

"Major changes could eventually be coming to one of the bridges that connect Tampa and St. Petersburg. Right now, the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) is designing potential improvements for Gandy Bridge to benefit drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Though the process is still in its infancy and lacks most of the funding it will need to proceed, Tuesday night, FDOT engineers presented their tentative vision to dozens of people during a public meeting at the Pinellas Park Performing Arts Center."

See https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/driving-tampa-bay-forward/fdot-shares-vision-to-widen-gandy-bridge-improve-congestion

Bruce in Blacksburg (temporarily in St. Pete)

A no-brainer, really, and I hope they're able to secure funding. Pinellas County can use all the improved connectivity it can get, and making things safer for peds/bikes is icing on the cake.

My Dad lives off of that stretch and has been advocating FDOT and the city of St. Petersburg for pedestrian and safety improvements since 2021. He regularly goes for walks and says that crossing U.S. 92/Gandy Boulevard is increasing dangerous. He has also noted accidents with fatalities on that stretch.

Last year he spoke with the Mayor of St. Petersburg about it, who mentioned the FDOT study to build a grade separation there. That definitely is the way to go, as the signal at Brighton Bay (which was only added in 2013), can cause a mile long back up for westbound traffic, making it impossible to turn without someone making a gap for you.

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According to FDOT, the project to widen Gandy Boulevard and Bridge would cost roughly $761 million. No funding has been secured for any construction or right-of-way acquisition, which means the project does not yet have a timeline and is still in its very early stages of study and design.

However with as slow as some of these DOT projects go, related to funding, required environmental study, the design process, told my Dad it would likely be ten years before anything would be done...

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Kirk Bogen, an environmental management engineer with FDOT, said the department is also looking to make changes to the portion of Gandy Boulevard in Pinellas County just west of the bay where traffic congestion is most noticeable. According to FDOT, the current traffic levels on this stretch of Gandy Boulevard are already at an inadequate level and will only worsen with time.

Have met Kirk Bogen a few times, he's a good guy and seems to be genuinely interested in improving traffic.

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Re: Florida
« Reply #3598 on: March 09, 2023, 07:53:47 PM »

Heh, someone in Florida figured out what a reverse jug handle is: https://goo.gl/maps/gdYZ4DBoBWLc8yto9

All that is missing is the "ALL TURNS FROM RIGHT LANE" sign.

However with as slow as some of these DOT projects go, related to funding, required environmental study, the design process, told my Dad it would likely be ten years before anything would be done...

Maybe start by adding another "penny for Pinellas".... because inflation.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3599 on: March 10, 2023, 12:03:38 AM »

I live near that reverse jug handle but fortunately never made a turn there. Going eastbound on Atlantic Blvd you would have to go through the traffic light and then turn in the jug handle and then go through the same light Lyons Rd. Broward County roads are interesting.
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