The main problem with the Hillside Strangler is.......

Started by I-39, June 03, 2015, 04:53:27 PM

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ILRoad55

I tried to visualize his layout. All i understood was the EB88/NB294 Flyover ramp to WB290. The rest I just kind of guessed because I had no idea what he was referring to. I don't support this idea, but it truly bothered me that the person who is considering this project does not give us maps of how the interchanges will look.



By the way, some parts seem rather difficult to deal with such as the section right when SB294 enters onto EB290 and then you have a ramp going onto this Hypo. That'll just be the new SB294 + EB290 ramp + WB88 Ramp section. The ramps on/off the Hypo at 88 seem kind of deadly.

Also a side note, why the hell would you want to live right in the middle of 3 Major Interstates intersecting with each other?


pianocello

#101
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 23, 2016, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: pianocello on October 22, 2016, 08:14:02 PM
Ok, dzlsabe, you keep bringing up your hypotenuse, and this thread seems to be the most relevant to the question that I'm sure many of us are wondering:

How do you propose tying your hypotenuse into the existing Strangler?
Oh Godt. Here we go again.

Hey now. I don't recall anyone actually asking this, and I wanted to know if he had thought of this part.




Quote from: hobsini2 on October 23, 2016, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on October 23, 2016, 12:04:20 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8773203,-87.9153258,1260m/data=!3m1!1e3

On the WB 290 side, many have suggested the EB 88 and NB 294 ramps flyover (eliminating the oval) of 294 and the SB 294 ramp to land just south of Electric Av at the 15E on the map. Thats a fine idea. Add a lane from the WB Hypo there as well. This would be coming from near the 290 shield and RR line. An exit from Hypo would merge to NB 294.

On the EB 290 an exit over the RR line at the 290 shield. SB 294 has already merged with 290.

Ramps to/from 88 and NB 294 would happen in between the 17 and Darmstadt.

Don't you mean the WB 88 ramp? There is no EB 88 ramp from 290 WB.

If I'm getting this correctly, he's referring to the NB-NWB loop ramp, which is the only movement between EB 88 and WB 290.

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Here's the other thing. Draw it on a map please. Having just a description of trying to figure out your idea does not help. Here is a good site to use to do that.
https://www.scribblemaps.com/
And if you don't know how to use it, ask. MAPS YOU DRAW ARE A MUST when you are making proposals if you want any credibility. Don't just give an image of the current area.

My crude rendition (hope link works): https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/HypoStrangler/03hPZCR6fN

Edit: ILRoad55 posted his rendition first. I like his version better, even though I don't like the whole Hypo idea in the first place. No matter how this is done, there's going to be a metric butt-ton of weaving. And
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dzlsabe

Quote from: ILRoad55 on October 23, 2016, 09:37:18 PM
I tried to visualize his layout. All i understood was the EB88/NB294 Flyover ramp to WB290. The rest I just kind of guessed because I had no idea what he was referring to. I don't support this idea, but it truly bothered me that the person who is considering this project does not give us maps of how the interchanges will look.



By the way, some parts seem rather difficult to deal with such as the section right when SB294 enters onto EB290 and then you have a ramp going onto this Hypo. That'll just be the new SB294 + EB290 ramp + WB88 Ramp section. The ramps on/off the Hypo at 88 seem kind of deadly.

Also a side note, why the hell would you want to live right in the middle of 3 Major Interstates intersecting with each other?

Thats pretty close. Double lane/combine the flyover(s) 294. No need for the horseshoes at 17/Darmstadt. Any of those crazy movements get handled by Mannheim. Only thing missing is the WB Hypo to 88. Ill have a map up to snuff soon, but this is basically it.
ILs mantra..the beatings will continue until the morale improves but Expect Delays is good too. Seems some are happy that Chicago/land remains miserable. Status quo is often asinine...Always feel free to use a dictionary as I tend to offend younger or more sensitive viewers. Thanx Pythagoras. :rofl:

ILRoad55

I mean in no way is this actually going to fix the Strangler. What needs to be done is to somehow 4-lane 290 in this area. Or even at least 3 lane it (on the EB side) when it splits for a C&D ramp for Mannheim.

Pull back the SB294 ramp onto EB290, maybe reconfigure St. Charles to incorporate a SB294 to EB290 ramp and remove the current one. This would allow room for the EB290 ramp onto SB294.

And don't make I-88 one lane as it approaches I-290, that is bad. Perhaps make Mannheim a better interchange too like a SPUI or a DDI to allow more lanes to go underneath.

dzlsabe

If Hypo takes a fifth, even quarter load off Congress Ike, maybe nothing needs be done. If anything needs 8 lanes its X Ike up to North Av.
ILs mantra..the beatings will continue until the morale improves but Expect Delays is good too. Seems some are happy that Chicago/land remains miserable. Status quo is often asinine...Always feel free to use a dictionary as I tend to offend younger or more sensitive viewers. Thanx Pythagoras. :rofl:

Joe The Dragon

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Quote from: ILRoad55 on October 23, 2016, 11:12:41 PM
I mean in no way is this actually going to fix the Strangler. What needs to be done is to somehow 4-lane 290 in this area. Or even at least 3 lane it (on the EB side) when it splits for a C&D ramp for Mannheim.

Pull back the SB294 ramp onto EB290, maybe reconfigure St. Charles to incorporate a SB294 to EB290 ramp and remove the current one. This would allow room for the EB290 ramp onto SB294.

And don't make I-88 one lane as it approaches I-290, that is bad. Perhaps make Mannheim a better interchange too like a SPUI or a DDI to allow more lanes to go underneath.
under Mannheim EB is 3 with room for 1 more + 2 with aux.

Now WB can use an C/D setup or maybe getting rid of the loop ramp.

The crush at the railroad is the big choke point. Maybe making the frontages one way or even part of an C/D setup and removing the loop ramps at 25 can help on the cheap.

Now going the other way on I-88 it needs to be 4 lanes till the i-pass / cash split point or



from https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10015.0

CtrlAltDel

Is is possible to make this ramp work (the one with the green arrow that links 294N to 290W)?



What I'm wondering is if there's enough space for the ramp to cross over 290 and then sink down under 294. The bridge there is actually fairly high, and there may not be enough room for the descent.
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hobsini2

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 29, 2016, 11:55:19 PM
Is is possible to make this ramp work (the one with the green arrow that links 294N to 290W)?



What I'm wondering is if there's enough space for the ramp to cross over 290 and then sink down under 294. The bridge there is actually fairly high, and there may not be enough room for the descent.
In my idea for the flyover NB 294 to WB 290 ramp, the ramp would be 15 feet higher than 294. when It merges with 290, yes it would be a bit of a steep grade if the St Charles Rd interchange doesn't change hence why I changed that too.
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dzlsabe

#109
No need for two flyovers. Combine them and both land by Electric Av. And kill the horseshoes.

Getting the WB onto 88 here will not be that easy.    https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@41.8728253,-87.9082749,79m/data=!3m1!1e3



Thats four lanes about sixty feet wide.

 

Why lose Harrison and Indian Joe, trying to cram more lanes through there? How much traffic is really headed to around Cicero and/or Midway? Or Indiana and points east. If maybe 25% less traffic was NOT headed down the Ike, the "problem" would not exist
ILs mantra..the beatings will continue until the morale improves but Expect Delays is good too. Seems some are happy that Chicago/land remains miserable. Status quo is often asinine...Always feel free to use a dictionary as I tend to offend younger or more sensitive viewers. Thanx Pythagoras. :rofl:

inkyatari

I was just looking at some maps, and I came up with an idea, but it would require losing Harrison and Indian Joe Rd. under the tracks just to the west of 25th.  Not sure how that would play with the locals.
I'm never wrong, just wildly inaccurate.

hobsini2

Quote from: inkyatari on November 11, 2016, 03:31:01 PM
I was just looking at some maps, and I came up with an idea, but it would require losing Harrison and Indian Joe Rd. under the tracks just to the west of 25th.  Not sure how that would play with the locals.
It's tricky. What do you have in mind?
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inkyatari

Quote from: hobsini2 on November 11, 2016, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on November 11, 2016, 03:31:01 PM
I was just looking at some maps, and I came up with an idea, but it would require losing Harrison and Indian Joe Rd. under the tracks just to the west of 25th.  Not sure how that would play with the locals.
It's tricky. What do you have in mind?

It involves a couple of local exit lanes from the 294 / 290 / 88 all the way to just past 25th, and replacing US 45 and 25th st with SPUIs. I still need to hash the idea out fully, however. Might not be enough room.
I'm never wrong, just wildly inaccurate.

dzlsabe

At 290 and 355, why are there THREE lanes going to Joliet, only two to Chicago, then at the Strangler, only a single lane going to 294?
ILs mantra..the beatings will continue until the morale improves but Expect Delays is good too. Seems some are happy that Chicago/land remains miserable. Status quo is often asinine...Always feel free to use a dictionary as I tend to offend younger or more sensitive viewers. Thanx Pythagoras. :rofl:

Joe The Dragon

Quote from: dzlsabe on March 23, 2017, 11:22:56 PM
At 290 and 355, why are there THREE lanes going to Joliet, only two to Chicago, then at the Strangler, only a single lane going to 294?
I-294 needs a C/D setup to be able to add more ramp lanes.

dzlsabe

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Quote from: Joe The Dragon on March 24, 2017, 10:49:25 AM
Quote from: dzlsabe on March 23, 2017, 11:22:56 PM
At 290 and 355, why are there THREE lanes going to Joliet, only two to Chicago, then at the Strangler, only a single lane going to 294?
I-294 needs a C/D setup to be able to add more ramp lanes.
I continuously advocate a double lane from I-290 to SB 294, along with widening the stretch from 355 to (and probably from) the Strangler. Its barely sufficient now and SAH aint gonna be in the future. And certainly an eventual flyover from 290 to W 90 needs to be in the mix. I often wonder if IDOT and ISTHA are on the same page, maybe not even the same book.
ILs mantra..the beatings will continue until the morale improves but Expect Delays is good too. Seems some are happy that Chicago/land remains miserable. Status quo is often asinine...Always feel free to use a dictionary as I tend to offend younger or more sensitive viewers. Thanx Pythagoras. :rofl:

Joe The Dragon

Quote from: dzlsabe on March 25, 2017, 01:27:24 AM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on March 24, 2017, 10:49:25 AM
Quote from: dzlsabe on March 23, 2017, 11:22:56 PM
At 290 and 355, why are there THREE lanes going to Joliet, only two to Chicago, then at the Strangler, only a single lane going to 294?
I-294 needs a C/D setup to be able to add more ramp lanes.
I continuously advocate a double lane from I-290 to SB 294, along with widening the stretch from 355 to (and probably from) the Strangler. Its barely sufficient now and SAH aint gonna be in the future. And certainly an eventual flyover from 290 to W 90 needs to be in the mix. I often wonder if IDOT and ISTHA are on the same page, maybe not even the same book.
I hope the 2020-2022 work fixes that!



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