Here is an oddity for TX SH shields, but not so much along TX SH 35 in Pearland, Texas.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52029119171_02213d41e2_k.jpg)
Cross-posting this one:
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 02, 2020, 05:02:07 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 02, 2020, 10:13:33 AM
Somewhere between Laredo and San Antonio, I even once saw a white square with 'COUNTY' at the top instead of 'TEXAS' or 'FM'. However, since then, I've been unable to determine what exit it was. That was probably nine or ten years ago now.
Found it, and this time (for a change) I didn't have to page all the way through hundreds of possibly relevant sheets to find it--it turned out to be page 109 out of 739 that plausibly cover I-35 between Laredo and San Antonio.
I-35 Exit 125 near Natalia, Texas (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1626279,-98.8636663,3a,75y,23.09h,88.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPk0Vl8BnSbz7ycIEcdm89g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
This sign was (probably) installed as part of TxDOT CCSJ 0017-05-073, the relevant plan sheet being sealed March 5, 2009.
Buc-ee's fanaticism:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/04/i-went-to-buc-ees-and-came-away.html?m=1
Plus the cemetery highway:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165
Quote from: roadman65 on April 25, 2022, 11:05:49 AM
Here is an oddity for TX SH shields, but not so much along TX SH 35 in Pearland, Texas.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52029119171_02213d41e2_k.jpg)
I remember this shield. I think it was installed within 2018-2020. I forgot about it until now.
Rarely seen freeways outside Texas with frontage lanes, HOV lanes and express toll lanes (in addition to the standard mainline lanes) all in one stretch.
Quote from: Thegeet on April 25, 2022, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 25, 2022, 11:05:49 AM
Here is an oddity for TX SH shields, but not so much along TX SH 35 in Pearland, Texas.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52029119171_02213d41e2_k.jpg)
I remember this shield. I think it was installed within 2018-2020. I forgot about it until now.
Yeah, I've covered this before in the "Unique, Odd, Ugly, and Interesting" signs thread. There's a whole rash of shields on SH-35 in Pearland that are like this. There's also a lot of what I believe are Arial LGS's in the area as well.
Quote from: CoreySamson on April 25, 2022, 03:43:06 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on April 25, 2022, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 25, 2022, 11:05:49 AM
Here is an oddity for TX SH shields, but not so much along TX SH 35 in Pearland, Texas.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52029119171_02213d41e2_k.jpg)
I remember this shield. I think it was installed within 2018-2020. I forgot about it until now.
Yeah, I've covered this before in the "Unique, Odd, Ugly, and Interesting" signs thread. There's a whole rash of shields on SH-35 in Pearland that are like this. There's also a lot of what I believe are Arial LGS's in the area as well.
Yeah these are common NB on SH 35 in Pearland. This is one of many, but the last as in Houston they are all usual TxDOT design for free standing shields.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52029673692_21099232b8_k.jpg)
This is the norm a seen a mile north of OP photo.
https://goo.gl/maps/eFaSrxdnxKeNA3zz6
This is an oddity. The photo shows that the signal was replaced with the typical Texas horizontal mounts signals. However when there a few weeks ago, the signal at this intersection was just as it was previously.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52033853738/in/photostream/
So not only is this an oddity, but to switch back to the original way the signals was mounted. Its not that uncommon for the typical horizontal mounts in Galveston. Just drive the Seawall and plenty of horizonal mounts or drive Texas 342 SPUR.
Quote from: roadman65 on April 27, 2022, 11:15:33 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/eFaSrxdnxKeNA3zz6
This is an oddity. The photo shows that the signal was replaced with the typical Texas horizontal mounts signals. However when there a few weeks ago, the signal at this intersection was just as it was previously.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/?
So not only is this an oddity, but to switch back to the original way the signals was mounted. Its not that uncommon for the typical horizontal mounts in Galveston. Just drive the Seawall and plenty of horizonal mounts or drive Texas 342 SPUR.
I'm not a signal guy, but it looks to my eyes like they used neither the old signals nor the temporary ones in the final setup.
Quote from: roadman65 on April 27, 2022, 11:15:33 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/eFaSrxdnxKeNA3zz6
This is an oddity. The photo shows that the signal was replaced with the typical Texas horizontal mounts signals. However when there a few weeks ago, the signal at this intersection was just as it was previously.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/?
So not only is this an oddity, but to switch back to the original way the signals was mounted. Its not that uncommon for the typical horizontal mounts in Galveston. Just drive the Seawall and plenty of horizonal mounts or drive Texas 342 SPUR.
Your Spotify is of 35th Street. The street view you showed is of 37th. Not sure what to make of it.
Among road fans, Texas is known for having horizontal traffic lights, but when I was Street Viewing around San Antonio, I noticed that all of the lights I saw in that city were vertical. Among the major Texas cities, is San Antonio unique in that regard, or are there others that prefer vertical? (I know the lights in Houston and Dallas are largely horizontal.)
Quote from: KCRoadFan on April 27, 2022, 06:42:32 PM
Among road fans, Texas is known for having horizontal traffic lights, but when I was Street Viewing around San Antonio, I noticed that all of the lights I saw in that city were vertical. Among the major Texas cities, is San Antonio unique in that regard, or are there others that prefer vertical? (I know the lights in Houston and Dallas are largely horizontal.)
Varies depending on where you are in the state. (TxDOT district, maybe?) I've personally noticed widespread vertical signals in Fort Worth and Amarillo as well.
Quote from: bwana39 on April 27, 2022, 06:32:39 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 27, 2022, 11:15:33 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/eFaSrxdnxKeNA3zz6
This is an oddity. The photo shows that the signal was replaced with the typical Texas horizontal mounts signals. However when there a few weeks ago, the signal at this intersection was just as it was previously.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/?
So not only is this an oddity, but to switch back to the original way the signals was mounted. Its not that uncommon for the typical horizontal mounts in Galveston. Just drive the Seawall and plenty of horizonal mounts or drive Texas 342 SPUR.
Your Spotify is of 35th Street. The street view you showed is of 37th. Not sure what to make of it.
Fixed it now.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52033853738/in/photostream/
Quote from: US 89 on April 27, 2022, 06:47:15 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on April 27, 2022, 06:42:32 PM
Among road fans, Texas is known for having horizontal traffic lights, but when I was Street Viewing around San Antonio, I noticed that all of the lights I saw in that city were vertical. Among the major Texas cities, is San Antonio unique in that regard, or are there others that prefer vertical? (I know the lights in Houston and Dallas are largely horizontal.)
Varies depending on where you are in the state. (TxDOT district, maybe?) I've personally noticed widespread vertical signals in Fort Worth and Amarillo as well.
Ditto for left turn signals. SA uses either one red ball or red arrow over the double red balls and arrows I have seen around eastern Texas. Also the fact San Antonio use widespread span wires as other parts of the state use mostly an equal mix of both assemblies.
In addition Galveston uses one signal head for two left turn lanes where most of the US installs 2 heads ( one per left turn lane) and uses one for only single left turn lanes. In fact the MUTCD requires only two heads in use only when two left turn dedicated lanes are being used.
Most of the signals in Coppell, which is located in Dallas County, are vertical. Same goes for Farmers Branch
In south Texas last month, I was surprised that all of the Interstate 169 markers were on the FM 511 frontage road (http://www.alaskaroads.com/I-169+FM511-DSC_6543.jpg) (which has at-grade road and rail crossings), rather than the mainline for the TX 550 Toll freeway. I also didn't see any I-169 markers on the southbound I-69E/US 77/US 83 mainline approaching the I-169 interchange, and on an earlier visit I didn't see any on northbound I-69E etc.
Not the same, but on eastbound Interstate 2 there were just a few I-2 reassurance markers, but lots of I-2 markers on the frontage road at ramps onto the interstate mainline.
In Nacogdoches, an intersection on US 59 with Parker Rd has vertical left turn signals, while all other signals are horizontal.
https://goo.gl/maps/41BYtizEQYKgKAPp7
Quote from: oscar on April 27, 2022, 09:44:37 PM
In south Texas last month, I was surprised that all of the Interstate 169 markers were on the FM 511 frontage road (http://www.alaskaroads.com/I-169+FM511-DSC_6543.jpg) (which has at-grade road and rail crossings), rather than the mainline for the TX 550 Toll freeway. I also didn't see any I-169 markers on the southbound I-69E/US 77/US 83 mainline approaching the I-169 interchange, and on an earlier visit I didn't see any on northbound I-69E etc.
Oddly enough, there are also SH 169 Toll markers on the mainline, instead of a proper I-169 shield. I also wish there was a NB exit ramp to I-169 and WB exit ramp to I-69E SB.
Quote from: Thegeet on April 27, 2022, 11:24:26 PM
In Nacogdoches, an intersection on US 59 with Parker Rd has vertical left turn signals, while all other signals are horizontal.
https://goo.gl/maps/41BYtizEQYKgKAPp7
That one is weird all together. It should have three lights any way. One for each lane and one for the left turn lane....
Quote from: roadman65 on April 27, 2022, 11:15:33 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/eFaSrxdnxKeNA3zz6
This is an oddity. The photo shows that the signal was replaced with the typical Texas horizontal mounts signals. However when there a few weeks ago, the signal at this intersection was just as it was previously.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52033853738/in/photostream/
So not only is this an oddity, but to switch back to the original way the signals was mounted. Its not that uncommon for the typical horizontal mounts in Galveston. Just drive the Seawall and plenty of horizonal mounts or drive Texas 342 SPUR.
I figured this one out. Look at the pedestrian crossing buttons. It would appear the taped over signal lights are THE OLD ones not yet removed; not the new ones. Not sure I had ever seen this before either, but that appears to be the case.
Quote from: Thegeet on April 27, 2022, 11:24:26 PM
In Nacogdoches, an intersection on US 59 with Parker Rd has vertical left turn signals, while all other signals are horizontal.
https://goo.gl/maps/41BYtizEQYKgKAPp7
(US 59 Business)
Quote from: Thegeet on April 27, 2022, 11:27:33 PM
Quote from: oscar on April 27, 2022, 09:44:37 PM
In south Texas last month, I was surprised that all of the Interstate 169 markers were on the FM 511 frontage road (http://www.alaskaroads.com/I-169+FM511-DSC_6543.jpg) (which has at-grade road and rail crossings), rather than the mainline for the TX 550 Toll freeway. I also didn't see any I-169 markers on the southbound I-69E/US 77/US 83 mainline approaching the I-169 interchange, and on an earlier visit I didn't see any on northbound I-69E etc.
Oddly enough, there are also SH 169 Toll markers on the mainline, instead of a proper I-169 shield. I also wish there was a NB exit ramp to I-169 and WB exit ramp to I-69E SB.
If it is Texas, there should NOT be Interstate ANYTHING shields on tolled mainlanes. The frontage roads are ALWAYS the numbered highway and the mainlanes are the tollway. In an Interstate it has generally been free freeway with tolled HOV lanes. This is surely a dilemma and a vexing "what do we do". Obviously standard frontage roads DO NOT qualify as Interstate lanes.
That picture reminds me: the continuous high mast lighting used to be unique to Houston freeways, but now cities like Corpus Christi, Laredo, and Beaumont have them along their interstates.
Quote from: jgb191 on May 01, 2022, 05:38:00 AM
That picture reminds me: the continuous high mast lighting used to be unique to Houston freeways, but now cities like Corpus Christi, Laredo, and Beaumont have them along their interstates.
They're in El Paso, now too. In a few places, bases were ripped out, and the masts moved, due to/ for subsequent work. Planning? Foresight? Bueller?? Seems wasteful, personally. To even have them at all. Adds light pollution as well. Anything wrong with the basic roadside / median mounted poles that used to be the standard?
Quote from: jgb191 on May 01, 2022, 05:38:00 AM
That picture reminds me: the continuous high mast lighting used to be unique to Houston freeways, but now cities like Corpus Christi, Laredo, and Beaumont have them along their interstates.
The first one EVER anywhere was in Texarkana. It was at the old US-59 / I-30 intersection. (Same location as today, just a different facility.) It was "experimental".
Winters in Amarillo are colder than winters in Chicago. All I got right now.
Quote from: Road Hog on May 04, 2022, 05:44:50 PM
Winters in Amarillo are colder than winters in Chicago[citation needed]. All I got right now.
Average Monthly Lows in:
Amarillo:
November: 33.5
December: 25.7
January: 24.9
February: 27.5
March: 34.8
Chicago:
November: 35.2
December: 25.3
January: 19.5
February: 22.9
March: 32.0
Conclusion: Chicago is slightly colder.
Quote from: Echostatic on May 05, 2022, 10:06:22 AM
Average Monthly Lows in:
Amarillo:
November: 33.5
December: 25.7
January: 24.9
February: 27.5
March: 34.8
Chicago:
November: 35.2
December: 25.3
January: 19.5
February: 22.9
March: 32.0
Conclusion: Chicago is slightly colder.
Now do the same thing for average temperatures, not just lows.
AmarilloNOV – 45.9
DEC – 37.7
JAN – 36.0
FEB – 40.0
MAR – 47.0
ChicagoNOV – 40.3
DEC – 27.7
JAN – 23.8
FEB – 27.7
MAR – 37.9
Conclusion: Chicago is significantly colder.
Alright, let me do Lipscomb, Texas, almost a hundred miles north of Amarillo. (I believe the coldest winters you'll find in the Lone Star State)
November: 27.7
December: 19.1
January: 17.9
February: 20.5
March: 29.8
That seems to be very close to Champaign, Illinois:
November: 32.2
December: 23.6
January: 17.9
February: 21.2
March: 31.2
Needless to say these are average low temperatures. Regardless of precise location, I want to believe Illinois generally gets more snow annually than the Texas panhandle.
Quote from: Echostatic on May 05, 2022, 10:06:22 AM
Average Monthly Lows in:
Amarillo:
November: 33.5
December: 25.7
January: 24.9
February: 27.5
March: 34.8
Chicago:
November: 35.2
December: 25.3
January: 19.5
February: 22.9
March: 32.0
Conclusion: Chicago is slightly colder.
Odd conclusion from the numbers you posted, given that the winter average low for Amarillo is 29.28 vs Chicago's 26.98.
But I agree with the other poster that average temp is a better comparison than lows, and Chicago remains way colder than Amarillo, it's not even close. More perspective:
https://weatherspark.com/y/4750/Average-Weather-in-Amarillo-Texas-United-States-Year-Round
Jan 1 hi 49 low 25
https://weatherspark.com/y/14091/Average-Weather-in-Chicago-Illinois-United-States-Year-Round
Jan 1 hi 34 low 24
Chicago is windier, much more cloudy, and has higher dew points/humidity, all working to make it feel colder, too. Wikipedia says 17 inches of snow for Amarillo, 39 inches for Chicago.
Anyway, when did TXDOT become run by idiots? I just went through the refurbished I-820/Mark 4 Parkway intersection in north Fort Worth that was basically finished a week ago. On the I-820 eastbound feeder you have a double turn left turn lane (good.) After turning left onto northbound Mark 4 Pky, at the wb I-820 feeder road light, there are now 2 left turn lanes (also good) and 2 through lanes.
However, the turn stripe between the 2 left turn lanes from eb 820 feeder to nb Mark 4 forces the furthest left turn lane into the further left turn lane (and guides the other left turn lane into a left lane) despite there being separate Texas u-turns under the freeway. So no one in the left turn lane from eb 820 is going to be turning left again from nb Mark 4. Thus all that stupidly placed striping does is force a crazy weave across 2 lanes in the short segment under the freeway between feeder road lights. A completely unnecessary hazard created. Mark 4 is quite wide there, no reason not to swing the line wide so as to direct both left turn lanes into the 2 through lanes.
Even if an idiot contractor screwed up, didn't TXDOT have to inspect it before opening?
This one is odd. Not using the goal post.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52081530537_bf4792e1c5_k.jpg)
Usually Texas likes side by side for two shields.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 18, 2022, 12:27:28 PM
This one is odd. Not using the goal post.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52081530537_bf4792e1c5_k.jpg)
Usually Texas likes side by side for two shields.
I've seen a few spots that are like the above, and in some others, just an assembly with the numbered road that turns off as the only one being signed. IMO, those versions are trying to be cheap and lazy. It wouldn't hurt TxDOT to be a little more descriptive with their intersection assemblies.
Yeah, they're not totally unheard-of in Texas. Most of the stacked ones have a duplex heading in one of the directions, though, such as here (https://goo.gl/maps/c25y8ThyQ2bs4iCi8).
But here's one (https://goo.gl/maps/adQvGtS3PKXss4Uu5) nearby that has a stop sign on the other upright instead of the second shield and arrow.
Here's a four-way intersection (https://goo.gl/maps/MJRX4NHqtP1TmDde6) involving three US Routes with not a goalpost in sight.
And here's an intersection (https://goo.gl/maps/ys8Uo5QmAwi7Y2qF8) that gets more interesting the more you look around.
Texas has been getting away from goalposts the last couple of years and going to stacks, especially at intersections where only 2 numbered roads are involved.
Quote from: Road Hog on May 18, 2022, 07:43:07 PM
Texas has been getting away from goalposts the last couple of years and going to stacks, especially at intersections where only 2 numbered roads are involved.
Except the I-14 and I-69 signings.
Quote from: roadman65 on April 27, 2022, 11:15:33 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/eFaSrxdnxKeNA3zz6
This is an oddity. The photo shows that the signal was replaced with the typical Texas horizontal mounts signals. However when there a few weeks ago, the signal at this intersection was just as it was previously.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52033853738/in/photostream/
So not only is this an oddity, but to switch back to the original way the signals was mounted. Its not that uncommon for the typical horizontal mounts in Galveston. Just drive the Seawall and plenty of horizonal mounts or drive Texas 342 SPUR.
They flipped the signals from horizontal to vertical when they activated them. It's not uncommon to stow signals horizontally until it's time to activate them. They do it in San Antonio.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52097651433_f02bb7a25c_3k.jpg
This one shows the Forthcoming junction of SH 3 along with SH 187 Spur. What’s interesting though is there is s short distance between the two junctions to have their own junction signs.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52097822424/
Another thing is that the south end of TX SH 146 is signed as concurrent with SH 3.
However, I checked the Minute Orders and it confirms that SH 3 ends at SH 146 before the IH 45 freeway. Despite the fact SH 3 was the pre 1952 alignment for US 75 which used the predecessor to the current George and Cynthia Mitchell Causeway into Galveston and down Avenue J to end then at 20th Street ( later it was extended to Seawall per Dale Sanderson info), you would figure that SH 146 was end before the Bayou Vista split.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 28, 2022, 08:21:42 AM
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52097651433_f02bb7a25c_3k.jpg
This one shows the Forthcoming junction of SH 3 along with SH 187 Spur. What's interesting though is there is s short distance between the two junctions to have their own junction signs.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52097822424/
Another thing is that the south end of TX SH 146 is signed as concurrent with SH 3.
However, I checked the Minute Orders and it confirms that SH 3 ends at SH 146 before the IH 45 freeway. Despite the fact SH 3 was the pre 1952 alignment for US 75 which used the predecessor to the current George and Cynthia Mitchell Causeway into Galveston and down Avenue J to end then at 20th Street ( later it was extended to Seawall per Dale Sanderson info), you would figure that SH 146 was end before the Bayou Vista split.
The SH-146 / SH-3 intersection is confusing in itself. Because SH-146 crosses the KCS tracks and SH-3 You wind up crossing SH-3, running parallel then having an intersection nearly a mile later. Then the at-grade intersection with SS-197 (per the minute order) and finally the intersection with SH-6 and I-45.
As to the scheme of all things, you WANT direction from I-45 to SH -146. While the southernmost part is not freeway, SH-146 is the MAJOR road. SH-3 is only the former route of US-75 (before being renamed as I-45) it has only local significance. SH-146 is a through route. Texas doesn't tend to run concurrencies when roads fail to diverge again.SH-3 is the one that should end and SH-146 should continue to I-45.
Quote from: bwana39 on May 28, 2022, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 28, 2022, 08:21:42 AM
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52097651433_f02bb7a25c_3k.jpg
This one shows the Forthcoming junction of SH 3 along with SH 187 Spur. What's interesting though is there is s short distance between the two junctions to have their own junction signs.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52097822424/
Another thing is that the south end of TX SH 146 is signed as concurrent with SH 3.
However, I checked the Minute Orders and it confirms that SH 3 ends at SH 146 before the IH 45 freeway. Despite the fact SH 3 was the pre 1952 alignment for US 75 which used the predecessor to the current George and Cynthia Mitchell Causeway into Galveston and down Avenue J to end then at 20th Street ( later it was extended to Seawall per Dale Sanderson info), you would figure that SH 146 was end before the Bayou Vista split.
The SH-146 / SH-3 intersection is confusing in itself. Because SH-146 crosses the KCS tracks and SH-3 You wind up crossing SH-3, running parallel then having an intersection nearly a mile later. Then the at-grade intersection with SS-197 (per the minute order) and finally the intersection with SH-6 and I-45.
As to the scheme of all things, you WANT direction from I-45 to SH -146. While the southernmost part is not freeway, SH-146 is the MAJOR road. SH-3 is only the former route of US-75 (before being renamed as I-45) it has only local significance. SH-146 is a through route. Texas doesn't tend to run concurrencies when roads fail to diverge again.SH-3 is the one that should end and SH-146 should continue to I-45.
US-183/US-77Aare concurrent until they both terminate.
Apparently SH 89 continues north to Beeville instead of US 181: https://goo.gl/maps/15joBudhsaNfBDP19
Also, SH 89 reassurance marker is on the median. https://goo.gl/maps/YtNduNGvpE5HqMGz5
Quote from: Thegeet on May 29, 2022, 12:40:56 AM
Apparently SH 89 continues north to Beeville instead of US 181: https://goo.gl/maps/15joBudhsaNfBDP19
Also, SH 89 reassurance marker is on the median. https://goo.gl/maps/YtNduNGvpE5HqMGz5
STATE HIGHWAY NO. 89
Minute Order 087050, dated 02/24/1988; Adm. Ltr. 008-1988, dated 08/08/1988
From US 181, 3.2 miles northwest of Sinton, southeastward approximately 6.6 miles to US 181, 3.2 miles east of Sinton. (San Patricio County) New Designation
That is a weird one. Why? Looks like the folks in Sinton wanted to keep 181 through town. As strange as that sounds. It COULD be about addresses that are stated as XXX-US-181. Sometimes, postal customers make that very hard to change.
Having lived in California for fourty years, these are the "oddities" that I notice in Texas:
- Traffic signals that are mounted horizontally (left to right) instead of vertically (top to bottom) on signals. It's because of the high winds that can occur during the spring and fall, thus it's much easier to brace the signals from two points instead of one.
- The frontage roads that run alongside the freeways, and that many businesses are located on these frontage roads.
- The flashing yellow left turn arrow yield verses the legacy on-green, yield before turning left. Sorry Texas, but on busy intersections, you should stick with left turn on green arrow only. Too many people have misjudged the yield, and there have been a nasty accident. At one intersection near my home, it's green arrow only between 6 AM and 10 PM because of three nasty accidents occurring within a month-long period.
- The naming of municipalities in Texas. So, when you say Adrian, Alice, Allen, Alvin, Anna, Anthony, Barry, Boyd, Brady, Bryan, Chester, Clint, Clyde, Donna, Edna, Elsa, Estelline, Garrett, Gonzales, Graham, Gregory, Hamilton, Jasper, Katy, Kyle, Leroy, Lorenzo, Lucas, Marlin, Marshall, Melvin, Murphy, Robert Lee, Ross, Seymour, Taylor, Trent, Tyler, or Victoria, are you referring to the person or that municipality?
- Likewise, the municipalities of The Colony and The Hills. Anyone who watched any Science Fiction or Horror movies know the ominous connotations those names bring up? (The Colony is a nice place to visit in north DFW, dunno about The Hills.)
Quote from: ZLoth on May 29, 2022, 09:36:54 AM
Traffic signals that are mounted horizontally (left to right) instead of vertically (top to bottom) on signals. It's because of the high winds that can occur during the spring and fall, thus it's much easier to brace the signals from two points instead of one.
This gets talked about a lot on this forum. I have never noticed it as a purely Texas thing. Maybe because I don't look at traffic lights that close, but I really have never noticed. Maybe because I haven't noticed the way they are facing at all.
Quote from: ZLoth on May 29, 2022, 09:36:54 AM
The naming of municipalities in Texas. So, when you say Adrian, Alice, Allen, Alvin, Anna, Anthony, Barry, Boyd, Brady, Bryan, Chester, Clint, Clyde, Donna, Edna, Elsa, Estelline, Garrett, Gonzales, Graham, Gregory, Hamilton, Jasper, Katy, Kyle, Leroy, Lorenzo, Lucas, Marlin, Marshall, Melvin, Murphy, Robert Lee, Ross, Seymour, Taylor, Trent, Tyler, or Victoria, are you referring to the person or that municipality?
I don't think Texas is alone by a long shot for naming towns after people, especially California.
We have lots of traffic signals in Oklahoma that are configured horizontally on overhead horizontal bars. I thought this was a pretty common thing. Some intersections may have a mix of horizontal signals on overhead bars for thru lanes and then one or more vertical signals on vertical posts for dedicated turn lanes. Some of the vertical signals are on short posts installed in the median.
Despite the added steel support behind the traffic signals they still get damaged in severe weather from time to time. The visors over the lights usually hold up fine, but the edges of the aluminum back plates can bend and break.
I'm not a fan at all of traffic signals that dangle from cables. It's cheap, hillbilly looking trash.
Quote from: ZLoth on May 29, 2022, 09:36:54 AM
Having lived in California for fourty years, these are the "oddities" that I notice in Texas:
- Traffic signals that are mounted horizontally (left to right) instead of vertically (top to bottom) on signals. It's because of the high winds that can occur during the spring and fall, thus it's much easier to brace the signals from two points instead of one.
- The frontage roads that run alongside the freeways, and that many businesses are located on these frontage roads.
- The flashing yellow left turn arrow yield verses the legacy on-green, yield before turning left. Sorry Texas, but on busy intersections, you should stick with left turn on green arrow only. Too many people have misjudged the yield, and there have been a nasty accident. At one intersection near my home, it's green arrow only between 6 AM and 10 PM because of three nasty accidents occurring within a month-long period.
- The naming of municipalities in Texas. So, when you say Adrian, Alice, Allen, Alvin, Anna, Anthony, Barry, Boyd, Brady, Bryan, Chester, Clint, Clyde, Donna, Edna, Elsa, Estelline, Garrett, Gonzales, Graham, Gregory, Hamilton, Jasper, Katy, Kyle, Leroy, Lorenzo, Lucas, Marlin, Marshall, Melvin, Murphy, Robert Lee, Ross, Seymour, Taylor, Trent, Tyler, or Victoria, are you referring to the person or that municipality?
- Likewise, the municipalities of The Colony and The Hills. Anyone who watched any Science Fiction or Horror movies know the ominous connotations those names bring up? (The Colony is a nice place to visit in north DFW, dunno about The Hills.)
I remember the movie "The Colony." John Ritter starred in it.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 31, 2022, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: ZLoth on May 29, 2022, 09:36:54 AM
Traffic signals that are mounted horizontally (left to right) instead of vertically (top to bottom) on signals. It's because of the high winds that can occur during the spring and fall, thus it's much easier to brace the signals from two points instead of one.
This gets talked about a lot on this forum. I have never noticed it as a purely Texas thing. Maybe because I don't look at traffic lights that close, but I really have never noticed. Maybe because I haven't noticed the way they are facing at all.
Like I said, "from my perspective", which isn't worth much. Despite living in California for 41 years, my exploration of the western states is woefully pitiful, with most of my travels being limited to Northern/Central California and the Reno/Sparks/Lake Tahoe area. It was only during the time period of 2013-2018 that I visited the states of Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Alaska, and the extremely western part of Montana. Arizona and New Mexico was visited when I moved from California to Texas. But even after that move, I've only hit portions of southern Oklahoma, Shreveport LA, and a small bit of Arkansas.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 31, 2022, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: ZLoth on May 29, 2022, 09:36:54 AM
The naming of municipalities in Texas. So, when you say Adrian, Alice, Allen, Alvin, Anna, Anthony, Barry, Boyd, Brady, Bryan, Chester, Clint, Clyde, Donna, Edna, Elsa, Estelline, Garrett, Gonzales, Graham, Gregory, Hamilton, Jasper, Katy, Kyle, Leroy, Lorenzo, Lucas, Marlin, Marshall, Melvin, Murphy, Robert Lee, Ross, Seymour, Taylor, Trent, Tyler, or Victoria, are you referring to the person or that municipality?
I don't think Texas is alone by a long shot for naming towns after people, especially California.
Going by this list for California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_in_California), I'm picking out Campbell, Carson, Chico, Davis, Gonzales, Lincoln, Livingston, Ross, and Tracy. Of course, if you add in a "San" or "Santa" at the beginning, then we have Bruno, Carlos, Clara, Diego, Gabriel, Jose, Luis, Marcos, Pablo, Rafael, Ramon, Ana, Barbara, Clara, Cruz, Maria, Monica, Paula, and Rosa. Lets not forget (Saint) Helena.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on May 31, 2022, 01:02:00 PM
We have lots of traffic signals in Oklahoma that are configured horizontally on overhead horizontal bars. I thought this was a pretty common thing. Some intersections may have a mix of horizontal signals on overhead bars for thru lanes and then one or more vertical signals on vertical posts for dedicated turn lanes. Some of the vertical signals are on short posts installed in the median.
Despite the added steel support behind the traffic signals they still get damaged in severe weather from time to time. The visors over the lights usually hold up fine, but the edges of the aluminum back plates can bend and break.
I'm not a fan at all of traffic signals that dangle from cables. It's cheap, hillbilly looking trash.
I've been into Mexico and I never saw one cable mounted signal. The wiring is pretty cheap though, but still. Instead, some of them are mounted to overhead signs. I don't get why the US would ever want these instead of pole mounted signals.
Quote from: Thegeet on June 02, 2022, 06:50:09 PM
I've been into Mexico and I never saw one cable mounted signal. The wiring is pretty cheap though, but still. Instead, some of them are mounted to overhead signs. I don't get why the US would ever want these instead of pole mounted signals.
Yeah, I've never seen cable-hung stoplights in Mexico either, and I've personally driven in five states and traveled by bus in one other state.
My favorite example of janky wiring is this one: https://goo.gl/maps/dzP5sxg3aSevr2Mo7
4-lane federal highway, one signal head per direction with no redundancy, signals wired together overhead
Quote from: kphoger on June 02, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on June 02, 2022, 06:50:09 PM
I've been into Mexico and I never saw one cable mounted signal. The wiring is pretty cheap though, but still. Instead, some of them are mounted to overhead signs. I don't get why the US would ever want these instead of pole mounted signals.
Yeah, I've never seen cable-hung stoplights in Mexico either, and I've personally driven in five states and traveled by bus in one other state.
My favorite example of janky wiring is this one: https://goo.gl/maps/dzP5sxg3aSevr2Mo7
4-lane federal highway, one signal head per direction with no redundancy, signals wired together overhead
Also note the complete lack of consistency on whether the signal heads are placed on the near or far side of the intersection.
Does anyone know why on Texas highway guide signs (the BGS) they always put the word "Texas" above the route number?
Example: https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6 (https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6) and https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A (https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A)
That's the opposite of standalone Texas state highway shields with "Texas" below the number.
I didn't notice that until reviewing some old driving videos I took in El Paso.
Also, why does TxDOT (at least the El Paso district) not like to put black outlines around highway shields on guide signs?
On this (https://goo.gl/maps/3ecMv4eRzN97Ebx56) white sign for Hazmats, it's hard to see the US highway shield for US-54 since there's no black outline.
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AM
Does anyone know why on Texas highway guide signs (the BGS) they always put the word "Texas" above the route number?
Example: https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6 (https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6) and https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A (https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A)
That's the opposite of standalone Texas state highway shields with "Texas" below the number.
I didn't notice that until reviewing some old driving videos I took in El Paso.
Also, why does TxDOT (at least the El Paso district) not like to put black outlines around highway shields on guide signs?
On this (https://goo.gl/maps/3ecMv4eRzN97Ebx56) white sign for Hazmats, it's hard to see the US highway shield for US-54 since there's no black outline.
The style of the word Texas on the State Highways seems to be consistent from El Paso to Texarkana. The gantry signs have Texas at the top and the reassurance markers show it under.
As to the US-54 sign. THe sign itself is an anomaly. It is a white sign. On any other color of sign the standard unlined shield would work fine. Not sure if the HM signs are all white or if this one is an outlier.
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AM
Does anyone know why on Texas highway guide signs (the BGS) they always put the word "Texas" above the route number?
Example: https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6 (https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6) and https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A (https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A)
That's the opposite of standalone Texas state highway shields with "Texas" below the number.
I didn't notice that until reviewing some old driving videos I took in El Paso.
Also, why does TxDOT (at least the El Paso district) not like to put black outlines around highway shields on guide signs?
On this (https://goo.gl/maps/3ecMv4eRzN97Ebx56) white sign for Hazmats, it's hard to see the US highway shield for US-54 since there's no black outline.
Also to note FM and RM routes are in squares on guide signs but stand alone shields use the Texas map for both, but instead of using FM ( that stands for Farm to Market) or RM ( that means Ranch to Market) they write next to the route number Farm Road or Ranch Road.
Not unusual or uncommon in Texas your notice of shield use
Quote from: bwana39 on July 01, 2022, 08:31:53 AM
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AM
Does anyone know why on Texas highway guide signs (the BGS) they always put the word "Texas" above the route number?
Example: https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6 (https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6) and https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A (https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A)
That's the opposite of standalone Texas state highway shields with "Texas" below the number.
I didn't notice that until reviewing some old driving videos I took in El Paso.
Also, why does TxDOT (at least the El Paso district) not like to put black outlines around highway shields on guide signs?
On this (https://goo.gl/maps/3ecMv4eRzN97Ebx56) white sign for Hazmats, it's hard to see the US highway shield for US-54 since there's no black outline.
The style of the word Texas on the State Highways seems to be consistent from El Paso to Texarkana. The gantry signs have Texas at the top and the reassurance markers show it under.
As to the US-54 sign. THe sign itself is an anomaly. It is a white sign. On any other color of sign the standard unlined shield would work fine. Not sure if the HM signs are all white or if this one is an outlier.
This one (https://goo.gl/maps/EMyAniDkgk36iPeB8) has always annoyed me for the same reason.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 01, 2022, 09:11:01 AM
Quote from: bwana39 on July 01, 2022, 08:31:53 AM
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AM
Does anyone know why on Texas highway guide signs (the BGS) they always put the word "Texas" above the route number?
Example: https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6 (https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6) and https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A (https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A)
That's the opposite of standalone Texas state highway shields with "Texas" below the number.
I didn't notice that until reviewing some old driving videos I took in El Paso.
Also, why does TxDOT (at least the El Paso district) not like to put black outlines around highway shields on guide signs?
On this (https://goo.gl/maps/3ecMv4eRzN97Ebx56) white sign for Hazmats, it's hard to see the US highway shield for US-54 since there's no black outline.
The style of the word Texas on the State Highways seems to be consistent from El Paso to Texarkana. The gantry signs have Texas at the top and the reassurance markers show it under.
As to the US-54 sign. THe sign itself is an anomaly. It is a white sign. On any other color of sign the standard unlined shield would work fine. Not sure if the HM signs are all white or if this one is an outlier.
This one (https://goo.gl/maps/EMyAniDkgk36iPeB8) has always annoyed me for the same reason.
Same here. It's definitely not an outlier, as I've seen multiple signs like that. Yes, they annoy me too.
Here are some more examples I've driven past:
San Angelo: https://goo.gl/maps/a59renNQH8DC8eZa7
San Angelo: https://goo.gl/maps/fvwy973HKi3uXLxi9 (with outline?)
Laredo: https://goo.gl/maps/zGDZfpSKFTNy4wSq8
Forgive me if this doesn't qualify as an oddity because it's almost certainly a mistake:
TxDOT contractors installing word pavement markings on US-54 before the I-10 "spaghetti bowl" interchange just created US-375 (https://goo.gl/maps/1agUCJsEL8dNDWyv6).
I can't believe they made this mistake because the US highway shield is a lot more complicated to cut out than a simple rectangle.
On the exit ramp from I-10 east in the same interchange, the correct LP-375 shield was installed (https://goo.gl/maps/PRs4pYdcN6dr5DVZ8) on the pavement. (For that pavement marking, I think the word loop is below the number because as you're driving, you're reading bottom to top instead of top to bottom.)
I guess it's more of an oddity of Texas than an oddity within Texas, but I find it strange that reassurance signs will often have just the route shield without a direction banner.
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AMDoes anyone know why on Texas highway guide signs (the BGS) they always put the word "Texas" above the route number?
Example: https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6 (https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6) and https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A (https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A)
That's the opposite of standalone Texas state highway shields with "Texas" below the number. I didn't notice that until reviewing some old driving videos I took in El Paso.
It is, and has long been, the standard in Texas for guide-sign shields for the various state systems to have:
* A designator at the top (for all State Highways other than NASA 1, this is "TEXAS") in smaller Series D type at a size that is uniform for a given height of shield (6" for 36" shields)
* The number in larger Series D digits at normal spacing, again at a size that is uniform for a given height of shield (18" for 36" shields)
* Width that varies in 1" increments as needed to accommodate the designator, digits, and prescribed horizontal padding for the latter (4" for 36" shields)
In contradistinction, the independent-mount versions of these shields are always square, so the digits--which are also always Series D--are shrunk to fit as needed for higher-numbered routes.
As for why TxDOT (or, perhaps more likely, its predecessor agency) chose an uniform variable-width design for guide-sign shield for all of the state systems and retained squares only for independent mount with varying designs for the individual systems, rather than some other option, I do not know.
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AMAlso, why does TxDOT (at least the El Paso district) not like to put black outlines around highway shields on guide signs?
Texas, like the vast majority of states, does not use black outlines for light shields on dark backgrounds.
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AMOn this (https://goo.gl/maps/3ecMv4eRzN97Ebx56) white sign for Hazmats, it's hard to see the US highway shield for US-54 since there's no black outline.
I think what we are seeing results from an incomplete design specification.
This is a standard R14-6T sign for hazmat detours (the "T" indicates the design is specific to Texas), and
both shields need a black outline since they are white at the edge and against a white background. The example in
Standard Highway Sign Designs for Texas (https://www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/forms-publications/publications/highway-signs.html) uses shields for I-47 and SH 357 (I-47 is fictional, and I suspect SH 357 is too), and they both have black outlines. However, no width is specified for the outline. The drawing is also unclear as to what contrast treatment is to be used for US routes. For the similar truck route sign (R14-5T), I-20 and US 40 are the example routes and US 40 appears against a black square with rounded corners (essentially, the independent-mount marker is patched onto the sign).
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 02, 2022, 03:25:08 AM
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AMDoes anyone know why on Texas highway guide signs (the BGS) they always put the word "Texas" above the route number?
Example: https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6 (https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6) and https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A (https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A)
That's the opposite of standalone Texas state highway shields with "Texas" below the number. I didn't notice that until reviewing some old driving videos I took in El Paso.
It is, and has long been, the standard in Texas for guide-sign shields for the various state systems to have:
* A designator at the top (for all State Highways other than NASA 1, this is "TEXAS") in smaller Series D type at a size that is uniform for a given height of shield (6" for 36" shields)
* The number in larger Series D digits at normal spacing, again at a size that is uniform for a given height of shield (18" for 36" shields)
* Width that varies in 1" increments as needed to accommodate the designator, digits, and prescribed horizontal padding for the latter (4" for 36" shields)
In contradistinction, the independent-mount versions of these shields are always square, so the digits--which are also always Series D--are shrunk to fit as needed for higher-numbered routes.
As for why TxDOT (or, perhaps more likely, its predecessor agency) chose an uniform variable-width design for guide-sign shield for all of the state systems and retained squares only for independent mount with varying designs for the individual systems, rather than some other option, I do not know.
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AMAlso, why does TxDOT (at least the El Paso district) not like to put black outlines around highway shields on guide signs?
Texas, like the vast majority of states, does not use black outlines for light shields on dark backgrounds.
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AMOn this (https://goo.gl/maps/3ecMv4eRzN97Ebx56) white sign for Hazmats, it's hard to see the US highway shield for US-54 since there's no black outline.
I think what we are seeing results from an incomplete design specification.
This is a standard R14-6T sign for hazmat detours (the "T" indicates the design is specific to Texas), and both shields need a black outline since they are white at the edge and against a white background. The example in Standard Highway Sign Designs for Texas (https://www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/forms-publications/publications/highway-signs.html) uses shields for I-47 and SH 357 (I-47 is fictional, and I suspect SH 357 is too), and they both have black outlines. However, no width is specified for the outline. The drawing is also unclear as to what contrast treatment is to be used for US routes. For the similar truck route sign (R14-5T), I-20 and US 40 are the example routes and US 40 appears against a black square with rounded corners (essentially, the independent-mount marker is patched onto the sign).
I couldn't find the hazmat sign, but I did find that Texas has in it's style guide enhanced mile markers!!
Quote from: jtespi on July 01, 2022, 03:29:37 AM
Does anyone know why on Texas highway guide signs (the BGS) they always put the word "Texas" above the route number?
Example: https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6 (https://goo.gl/maps/wQdGtLhwYZ6mn6vc6) and https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A (https://goo.gl/maps/vbsUReQkkhBtPhM5A)
That's the opposite of standalone Texas state highway shields with "Texas" below the number.
I didn't notice that until reviewing some old driving videos I took in El Paso.
Actually it's more of an anomaly when a BGS has a ground mounter version of a state highway or FM shield on it. It happens sometimes and when it does, its more awkward than the fact there are different shields for both. The state and FM/RM stand alone shields have smaller digits so the BGS version is easier to read at high speeds.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 02, 2022, 03:01:34 AM
I guess it's more of an oddity of Texas than an oddity within Texas, but I find it strange that reassurance signs will often have just the route shield without a direction banner.
The reassurance shield without cardinal directions are used mostly for posts with reference markers on it (every two miles in a given direction, they alternate directions). Basically think of that assembly as more of an enhanced mile marker than a reassurance shield. The true reassurance shields come after intersections.
The biggest oddity is the fact US 181 still exists.
Being I-37 replaced it all and the fact don't like redundancy of interstates and US routes and normally cancel the US designation, hence US 80 ending in Dallas and US 75 truncated also, you would figure it would be renumbered to a state designation.
Quote from: roadman65 on July 06, 2022, 07:59:19 AM
The biggest oddity is the fact US 181 still exists.
Being I-37 replaced it all and the fact don't like redundancy of interstates and US routes and normally cancel the US designation, hence US 80 ending in Dallas and US 75 truncated also, you would figure it would be renumbered to a state designation.
The difference is I-20 and I-45 were placed directly on top of US-80 and US-75 respectively. US-181 is a parallel route servicing other towns that I-37 doesn't service. I-37 in reality took over the route of SH-9, so that's why it has been deleted.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 02, 2022, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 02, 2022, 03:01:34 AM
I guess it's more of an oddity of Texas than an oddity within Texas, but I find it strange that reassurance signs will often have just the route shield without a direction banner.
The reassurance shield without cardinal directions are used mostly for posts with reference markers on it (every two miles in a given direction, they alternate directions). Basically think of that assembly as more of an enhanced mile marker than a reassurance shield. The true reassurance shields come after intersections.
I'll have to check that out.
The biggest oddity I see is TX 130's exit sequence. It starts at 411 and stops at 496 (instead of being numbered 0 or 1-85). Also, US 75 north of Interstate 635 should have mileage-based exits instead of sequential, and US 82's exits 622-686 should be numbered 389-449 (its actual mileage from the New Mexico/Texas border).
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 06, 2022, 07:52:38 PMThe biggest oddity I see is TX 130's exit sequence. It starts at 411 and stops at 496 (instead of being numbered 0 or 1-85). Also, US 75 north of Interstate 635 should have mileage-based exits instead of sequential, and US 82's exits 622-686 should be numbered 389-449 (its actual mileage from the New Mexico/Texas border).
Among these freeway routes, US 75 is the odd man out. The others have mileage-based exit numbers based on Texas' uniform location reference system, which has its origin point at a point in northern New Mexico where the parallel that overlaps the top edge of the Panhandle intersects the meridian that passes through the extreme western tip near El Paso. This is also the reason SH 130 has exit numbers that go up as you go south.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 06, 2022, 07:52:38 PM
The biggest oddity I see is TX 130's exit sequence. It starts at 411 and stops at 496 (instead of being numbered 0 or 1-85). Also, US 75 north of Interstate 635 should have mileage-based exits instead of sequential, and US 82's exits 622-686 should be numbered 389-449 (its actual mileage from the New Mexico/Texas border).
Yes, US-82's exits are reference marker based on the extreme western tip of Texas near El Paso. The same reason for US-59's exit numbering outside of the I-69 cosigning, albeit its referenced to the extreme northern line of the panhandle (being zero) and counting up going south. Better thing about this was, you have opened my eyes to exit numbering on US-82 that I never new existed.
Now for US-75, they have had years, since the late 90s, to fix the sequential numbering north of I-635 but have never got around to it.
Quote from: Thegeet on June 02, 2022, 06:50:09 PM
I've been into Mexico and I never saw one cable mounted signal.
I found one at the first intersection I looked at in GMSV ;) (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5570635,-70.5433013,3a,75y,63.12h,103.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCVCN4Rvft5pef2TWPJj0oA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
*runs*
I didn't know Mexico was in Maine. The next time I plan to go to Mexico (never been there, and unlikely never will), I just head east and north (instead of west and south).
Okay, hopefully this qualifies as an oddity (or a mistake). Why is TxDOT signing US-85 East only at the west end of LP-375 Border West Expressway? Here's a GSV image (https://goo.gl/maps/W9mXxyBC1AXTJ8Lh8) of Exit 66 for "US-85 East, Paisano Drive." Also, this odd double bridge joint gap looks like (https://goo.gl/maps/U8tdAvxJE4hgAVn6A) a railroad track coincidentally on a bridge that goes over one.
Further down the road (https://goo.gl/maps/aBujub7QB9ZairEc9) (at the intersection with Executive Center Blvd) there's a reassurance sign with the correct US-85 South designation.
Even earlier (https://goo.gl/maps/Dcu144YxgXWCGkmH7) on I-10 at Exit 13, the BGS correctly says "US-85 South Paisano Dr."
Quote from: jtespi on August 03, 2022, 03:53:18 AM
Okay, hopefully this qualifies as an oddity (or a mistake). Why is TxDOT signing US-85 East only at the west end of LP-375 Border West Expressway? Here's a GSV image (https://goo.gl/maps/W9mXxyBC1AXTJ8Lh8) of Exit 66 for "US-85 East, Paisano Drive." Also, this odd double bridge joint gap looks like (https://goo.gl/maps/U8tdAvxJE4hgAVn6A) a railroad track coincidentally on a bridge that goes over one.
Further down the road (https://goo.gl/maps/aBujub7QB9ZairEc9) (at the intersection with Executive Center Blvd) there's a reassurance sign with the correct US-85 South designation.
Even earlier (https://goo.gl/maps/Dcu144YxgXWCGkmH7) on I-10 at Exit 13, the BGS correctly says "US-85 South Paisano Dr."
Looks like somebody has some slpainin to do!!
Just an error on the exit, but the mid bridge railroad crossing is amazing!!!
Also, that US-85 shield is disgusting! Texas used to make beautiful US shields. Now they can't do it if they tried.
Should Texas have de-signed US 85 like New Mexico did?
Quote from: yakra on July 07, 2022, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on June 02, 2022, 06:50:09 PM
I've been into Mexico and I never saw one cable mounted signal.
I found one at the first intersection I looked at in GMSV ;) (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5570635,-70.5433013,3a,75y,63.12h,103.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCVCN4Rvft5pef2TWPJj0oA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
*runs*
Oh dear...Mexico speaks English.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 03, 2022, 10:23:10 AM
Looks like somebody has some slpainin to do!!
Just an error on the exit, but the mid bridge railroad crossing is amazing!!!
Is there anyone I could contact at the El Paso TxDOT office about the incorrect sign for US-85 "east"?
The "mid bridge railroad crossing" is really just an optical illusion based on the coincidence that the bridge expansion joints are almost directly above the RR tracks.
On a slightly related note, when I was driving on LP-375, I noticed that there are two different shields for the LP-375 "tollway" aka the Border West Expressway.
[The "tollway" that'll probably never be a tollway. They even removed (https://goo.gl/maps/KVdrDuhVPWK2CFSU7) the license plate cameras at several locations. It's been in toll deferral period ever since the road opened in October 2019; the pandemic delayed implementation and now I think it won't ever be a tollway.]
One shield (https://goo.gl/maps/N4dGXzvhxSypRjyN7) seems to be the general Texas toll sign with the Texas flag to the left of the word "toll." The other shield (https://goo.gl/maps/fqUDt9SEugW4o5BEA) is specific to El Paso and has the CRRMA (https://www.crrma.org/)'s logo to the left of the word "toll." (Camino Real Regional Mobility Authority)
Ideally, I'd discuss all this on the El Paso threads but they all seem to be dead unfortunately. :(
Quote from: jtespi on August 06, 2022, 06:02:59 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 03, 2022, 10:23:10 AM
Looks like somebody has some slpainin to do!!
Just an error on the exit, but the mid bridge railroad crossing is amazing!!!
Is there anyone I could contact at the El Paso TxDOT office about the incorrect sign for US-85 "east"?
The "mid bridge railroad crossing" is really just an optical illusion based on the coincidence that the bridge expansion joints are almost directly above the RR tracks.
On a slightly related note, when I was driving on LP-375, I noticed that there are two different shields for the LP-375 "tollway" aka the Border West Expressway.
[The "tollway" that'll probably never be a tollway. They even removed (https://goo.gl/maps/KVdrDuhVPWK2CFSU7) the license plate cameras at several locations. It's been in toll deferral period ever since the road opened in October 2019; the pandemic delayed implementation and now I think it won't ever be a tollway.]
One shield (https://goo.gl/maps/N4dGXzvhxSypRjyN7) seems to be the general Texas toll sign with the Texas flag to the left of the word "toll." The other shield (https://goo.gl/maps/fqUDt9SEugW4o5BEA) is specific to El Paso and has the CRRMA (https://www.crrma.org/)'s logo to the left of the word "toll." (Camino Real Regional Mobility Authority)
Ideally, I'd discuss all this on the El Paso threads but they all seem to be dead unfortunately. :(
EL PASO IS NOT DEAD!
Seriously though, I don't have an answer for you as each city in Texas does their toll roads a bit different. Reminds me of the two different shields here in the Austin area. This one (https://goo.gl/maps/dhDxa5g7vbFKgENi9) and this one (https://goo.gl/maps/iwLufFwNrQzRbvkT7). There are even differet ways it's signed on ground mounted shields; white on blue cardinal directions (https://goo.gl/maps/47A5TtpoemFAfqxz7) and black on white cardinal directions (https://goo.gl/maps/xMt2Zm67gtBMVy8K9).
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 06, 2022, 12:31:22 PM
EL PASO IS NOT DEAD!
I really wish it weren't the case but it seems like I'm the only one posting on El Paso specific discussion threads. The most active thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26641.0) is actually in the Mountain West forum because people thought it made more sense there (I agree). There's a lot of interesting stuff happening in El Paso regarding roads like the upcoming reconstruction of I-10 through the city, the Montana Avenue Freeway, and upcoming Borderland Expressway (formerly Northeast Parkway).
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 06, 2022, 12:31:22 PM
Seriously though, I don't have an answer for you as each city in Texas does their toll roads a bit different. Reminds me of the two different shields here in the Austin area. This one (https://goo.gl/maps/dhDxa5g7vbFKgENi9) and this one (https://goo.gl/maps/iwLufFwNrQzRbvkT7). There are even differet ways it's signed on ground mounted shields; white on blue cardinal directions (https://goo.gl/maps/47A5TtpoemFAfqxz7) and black on white cardinal directions (https://goo.gl/maps/xMt2Zm67gtBMVy8K9).
Wow, those toll signs without the Texas flag icon to the left look really cheap, almost like a knockoff. The word "toll" is so thin and hard to see. That must have been a first generation design before TxDOT stepped in and altered the design.
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Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 06, 2022, 12:31:22 PM
EL PASO IS NOT DEAD!
I really wish it weren't the case but it seems like I'm the only one posting on El Paso specific discussion threads. The most active thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26641.0) is actually in the Mountain West forum because people thought it made more sense there (I agree). There's a lot of interesting stuff happening in El Paso regarding roads like the upcoming reconstruction of I-10 through the city, the Montana Avenue Freeway, and upcoming Borderland Expressway (formerly Northeast Parkway).
Some of the places on the line between two different AAROADS defined regions really struggle with this. The Memphis area between Mid-South and Southeast. (Western Tennessee is in Mid-South but Tennessee is in Southeast.) Where should North West Mississippi fit? It is part of metro-Memphis. Where do Mississippi River crossings fit? Where does Louisiana transition.? I-35 at the Red River?
I am sure there are lots of others. El Paso is closer to Phoenix than to DFW or ANY of the major Texas cities. It is similar in distance from Midland as to Tucson. Most of us from east of US-281 will make it to El Paso once a decade or so. It just is not familiar to the average Texan or anyone from, as I said, east of US-281; even farther east than Texarkana, Orange, or Waskom (IE Past Texas).
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Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 06, 2022, 12:31:22 PM
EL PASO IS NOT DEAD!
I really wish it weren't the case but it seems like I'm the only one posting on El Paso specific discussion threads. The most active thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26641.0) is actually in the Mountain West forum because people thought it made more sense there (I agree). There's a lot of interesting stuff happening in El Paso regarding roads like the upcoming reconstruction of I-10 through the city, the Montana Avenue Freeway, and upcoming Borderland Expressway (formerly Northeast Parkway).
Some of the places on the line between two different AAROADS defined regions really struggle with this. The Memphis area between Mid-South and Southeast. (Western Tennessee is in Mid-South but Tennessee is in Southeast.) Where should North West Mississippi fit? It is part of metro-Memphis. Where do Mississippi River crossings fit? Where does Louisiana transition.? I-35 at the Red River?
I am sure there are lots of others. El Paso is closer to Phoenix than to DFW or ANY of the major Texas cities. It is similar in distance from Midland as to Tucson. Most of us from east of US-281 will make it to El Paso once a decade or so. It just is not familiar to the average Texan or anyone from, as I said, east of US-281; even farther east than Texarkana, Orange, or Waskom (IE Past Texas).
I agree. I used to travel to El Paso about twice a year because I loved it out there, and even then, I felt like it was in another world from the rest of Texas. Texas in general seems to forget about El Paso, until something good happens out there and then everyone wants to claim it.
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Here is an oddity for TX SH shields, but not so much along TX SH 35 in Pearland, Texas.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52029119171_02213d41e2_k.jpg)
I remember this shield. I think it was installed within 2018-2020. I forgot about it until now.
Yeah, I've covered this before in the "Unique, Odd, Ugly, and Interesting" signs thread. There's a whole rash of shields on SH-35 in Pearland that are like this. There's also a lot of what I believe are Arial LGS's in the area as well.
Yeah these are common NB on SH 35 in Pearland. This is one of many, but the last as in Houston they are all usual TxDOT design for free standing shields.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52029673692_21099232b8_k.jpg)
This is the norm a seen a mile north of OP photo.
https://goo.gl/maps/JusJbuE9iWXcmWhQ8
The last one is in Harris County, but still south of BW-8.