New York

[astralentity]

Ok...  anyone have a clue when Sacandaga Road between Vley Road and the Scotia village line will ever be repaved?  It's literally a cobblestone road now.

Put a bobblehead on your dashboard and drive it, taking a video of it shaking.  That always gets NYSDOT's attention.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/etJHfw67w9vbkgoz9

I take the design of this water tower was by Robert Moses?

[SidS1045]

https://goo.gl/maps/etJHfw67w9vbkgoz9

I take the design of this water tower was by Robert Moses?

Yes, supposedly patterned after a campanile (Italian bell tower) he saw in Venice.

[steviep24]

I encountered a work zone with camera enforcement on NY 33A in Rochester today.

[Rothman]

I encountered a work zone with camera enforcement on NY 33A in Rochester today.

So it begins in NY.  New pilot program.

[MASTERNC]

I encountered a work zone with camera enforcement on NY 33A in Rochester today.

So it begins in NY.  New pilot program.

Did they ever announce it had officially been launched?  I don't even see a website.

[cl94]

I encountered a work zone with camera enforcement on NY 33A in Rochester today.

So it begins in NY.  New pilot program.

Oh, NYSTA started using them last year, but they only issued warnings.

My concern is that they'll use cameras in work zones without active work for revenue enhancement, sort of how NYC uses "school zone" speed cameras 16 hours a day every week of the year. If the cameras are actually to keep workers safe instead of revenue enhancement, they won't be active outside of work hours. Some states are good with this, others are not.

[MASTERNC]

I encountered a work zone with camera enforcement on NY 33A in Rochester today.

So it begins in NY.  New pilot program.

Oh, NYSTA started using them last year, but they only issued warnings.

My concern is that they'll use cameras in work zones without active work for revenue enhancement, sort of how NYC uses "school zone" speed cameras 16 hours a day every week of the year. If the cameras are actually to keep workers safe instead of revenue enhancement, they won't be active outside of work hours. Some states are good with this, others are not.

They might still be in beta test like PA was for a few months. When the program went live, there was a press release and a website.

[vdeane]

^ There have been numerous stories in the news about it.  The fact that these cameras are coming shouldn't be a surprise at this point to people who live in the state.

[D-Dey65]

I don't remember whether this question has been asked in the past or not, but I see two metal poles sticking up from this long-sought Harlem Line bridge over US 202 and NY 22 in Croton Falls;
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?61697
So are these signposts for a low clearance sign above the road? If not, it should be.

[MASTERNC]

^ There have been numerous stories in the news about it.  The fact that these cameras are coming shouldn't be a surprise at this point to people who live in the state.

Looks like the contract was just awarded at the beginning of April.

https://www.dot.ny.gov/doing-business/opportunities/consult-results

[astralentity]

I encountered a work zone with camera enforcement on NY 33A in Rochester today.

So it begins in NY.  New pilot program.

Oh, NYSTA started using them last year, but they only issued warnings.

My concern is that they'll use cameras in work zones without active work for revenue enhancement, sort of how NYC uses "school zone" speed cameras 16 hours a day every week of the year. If the cameras are actually to keep workers safe instead of revenue enhancement, they won't be active outside of work hours. Some states are good with this, others are not.

I have been told of instances where people have gotten nailed for work zone speed infractions even when workers are not present.

[Rothman]

I encountered a work zone with camera enforcement on NY 33A in Rochester today.

So it begins in NY.  New pilot program.

Oh, NYSTA started using them last year, but they only issued warnings.

My concern is that they'll use cameras in work zones without active work for revenue enhancement, sort of how NYC uses "school zone" speed cameras 16 hours a day every week of the year. If the cameras are actually to keep workers safe instead of revenue enhancement, they won't be active outside of work hours. Some states are good with this, others are not.

I have been told of instances where people have gotten nailed for work zone speed infractions even when workers are not present.

Already?  I don't think there is that restriction on the enforcement usage, though.  In NY, work zone safety is such a hot topic (intrusions and deaths happen every year) that I am sure the argument would be made that those who speed through work zones would do so if workers are present or not.

[MASTERNC]

I encountered a work zone with camera enforcement on NY 33A in Rochester today.

So it begins in NY.  New pilot program.

Oh, NYSTA started using them last year, but they only issued warnings.

My concern is that they'll use cameras in work zones without active work for revenue enhancement, sort of how NYC uses "school zone" speed cameras 16 hours a day every week of the year. If the cameras are actually to keep workers safe instead of revenue enhancement, they won't be active outside of work hours. Some states are good with this, others are not.

I have been told of instances where people have gotten nailed for work zone speed infractions even when workers are not present.

Already?  I don't think there is that restriction on the enforcement usage, though.  In NY, work zone safety is such a hot topic (intrusions and deaths happen every year) that I am sure the argument would be made that those who speed through work zones would do so if workers are present or not.

According to the RFP, the cameras are only used when workers are present. 

[kalvado]

I encountered a work zone with camera enforcement on NY 33A in Rochester today.

So it begins in NY.  New pilot program.

Oh, NYSTA started using them last year, but they only issued warnings.

My concern is that they'll use cameras in work zones without active work for revenue enhancement, sort of how NYC uses "school zone" speed cameras 16 hours a day every week of the year. If the cameras are actually to keep workers safe instead of revenue enhancement, they won't be active outside of work hours. Some states are good with this, others are not.

I have been told of instances where people have gotten nailed for work zone speed infractions even when workers are not present.

Already?  I don't think there is that restriction on the enforcement usage, though.  In NY, work zone safety is such a hot topic (intrusions and deaths happen every year) that I am sure the argument would be made that those who speed through work zones would do so if workers are present or not.

One can argue that posting and enforcing empty work zones trains people to ignore those when not enforced.
Chicken and egg.

[webny99]

I don't know, personally I'm much more cautious in active work zones. If there's just a lane closure with no active work, I'll mostly try to just keep up with traffic or go up to 10 over just to prevent braking/slowdowns/backups. But caution takes precedence when there's active work going on.

[kalvado]

I don't know, personally I'm much more cautious in active work zones. If there's just a lane closure with no active work, I'll mostly try to just keep up with traffic or go up to 10 over just to prevent braking/slowdowns/backups. But caution takes precedence when there's active work going on.

You can only see active work from 0.5 mile away, probably less. That gives you little time to actually slow down.
Point of signage is to give an advance warning.
Great if you are dealing with roadwork on your daily drive and know what to expect. Outside of that familiar area, "roadwork next 6 miles" sign being the only sign of any work is... Confusing.

[vdeane]

On the Thruway at least, it seems like work zone speed reductions are happening closer to the actual work zone than in the past.  Before it felt like one was driving for half a mile before the work zone at the reduced speed, and then again after, but now the reductions seems to be right at the lane shifts (sometimes a little within them).

[cl94]

The same psychology that applies to speed limits applies to work zone limits. If the limit is lowered excessively, people are trained to ignore it. If it is only lowered when necessary, people make damn sure to follow it. This is why speed limit adherence is garbage in the Northeast US and Canada- limits are underposted by 10-20 with the expectation people will drive 10-20 over. In my experience, average speeds on rural freeways are pretty consistent across the US despite differing speed limits.

[Rothman]

I encountered a work zone with camera enforcement on NY 33A in Rochester today.

So it begins in NY.  New pilot program.

Oh, NYSTA started using them last year, but they only issued warnings.

My concern is that they'll use cameras in work zones without active work for revenue enhancement, sort of how NYC uses "school zone" speed cameras 16 hours a day every week of the year. If the cameras are actually to keep workers safe instead of revenue enhancement, they won't be active outside of work hours. Some states are good with this, others are not.

I have been told of instances where people have gotten nailed for work zone speed infractions even when workers are not present.

Already?  I don't think there is that restriction on the enforcement usage, though.  In NY, work zone safety is such a hot topic (intrusions and deaths happen every year) that I am sure the argument would be made that those who speed through work zones would do so if workers are present or not.

According to the RFP, the cameras are only used when workers are present.

Wonder what that means legally.  Contractor is enforcing limits via camera during times it shouldn't per the contract, but speeders are still breaking the law.

[vdeane]

The same psychology that applies to speed limits applies to work zone limits. If the limit is lowered excessively, people are trained to ignore it. If it is only lowered when necessary, people make damn sure to follow it. This is why speed limit adherence is garbage in the Northeast US and Canada- limits are underposted by 10-20 with the expectation people will drive 10-20 over. In my experience, average speeds on rural freeways are pretty consistent across the US despite differing speed limits.

Agreed.  This change is certainly welcome, and may well increase compliance.  Before, I tended to have to be very careful to keep my speed to 62 or less (my usual 7 over).  Now, I find that I'm naturally keeping to the 55-60 range, because I don't have a long lead-in where I feel like I'm crawling.

Honestly, I would love it if the northeast dumped its "underpost because everyone will go 10-20 over" mindset, freeways especially.  I'm a natural rule follower, so keeping exactly to a reasonable limit is far preferable to having to come up with a system for how much I should speed in a given area, especially as such tends not to be consistent.

It can get really bad if an underposted limit is combined with a long staging for a reduced limit or stop.  Driving I-81 approaching the Thousand Islands Bridge is downright painful because the 40 zone extends for a MILE before the bridge.  Ditto for either end of I-781.  And that's WITH my "7 over on freeways" system.

(personal opinion)

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/MQqYS8CMNzS997EQA

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4280686,-73.7202356,15z

I see Google is showing the unsigned reference route number for the Exit 22 spur along I-87 in Lake George.  If it's correct that is.

[cockroachking]

https://goo.gl/maps/MQqYS8CMNzS997EQA

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4280686,-73.7202356,15z

I see Google is showing the unsigned reference route number for the Exit 22 spur along I-87 in Lake George.  If it's correct that is.

It is in fact NY-912Q.

Google Maps also labels NY-954H, NY-920D/NY-920J, and NY-912M, to name a few.

They also label NY-990V and the likes, but they are actually posted as touring routes.

[astralentity]

Any news on further exit number conversions in NY?

[SignBridge]

Hasn't even started yet in NYS DOT Region-10 on Long Island.