Use of red arrows for protected turns

[Revive 755]

Which states currently use red arrows for protected turns?  So far I know of:

- Minnesota
- Nebraska
- Kentucky
- Illinois (northern and southern, but not around St. Louis)
- Iowa (at least in Council Bluffs, Davenport, and a new signal in Coralville)
- Florida

There's also some extremely sporadic use of red arrows in Missouri, with one light in Union, one light at Lambert Airport, and a former(?) one somewhere in Springfield near the Missouri State campus, but all of these are on non-state maintained roadways.

[Ian]

These are the states I know of

-Maine
-New Hampshire
-Massachusetts
-New York
-New Jersey
-Delaware
-Maryland
-California
-Vermont
-Oregon
-Washington
-District of Columbia
-Louisiana
-Arizona
-Nevada
-Idaho
-Wyoming
-Montana
-Alaska
-Hawaii
-North and South Dakota
-Arkansas
-Oklahoma
-Colorado
-Georgia

These are the states other than yours that I am sure have the red arrow phase. I am sure there are others, but I just need to look around.

[un1]

Ontario, or at least Thunder Bay.

[Ian]

Louisiana and Hawaii use of red left arrows is not uniform.

huh, really? Hmm, I guess the photos I've seen must have been odities then.

[74/171FAN]

I know that North Carolina has at least one at Whalebone Junction(US 158/US 64/NC 12) and probably more

[SSOWorld]

Wisconsin use them all over

[LPCJr]

They are all over the place in Pennsylvania.  In most cases they are completely unnecessary and impede traffic flow by adding extra phases to each light cycle.

We actually have intersections where they are removing jughandles in favor of left arrows.

[SSOWorld]

They are all over the place in Pennsylvania.  In most cases they are completely unnecessary and impede traffic flow by adding extra phases to each light cycle.

We actually have intersections where they are removing jughandles in favor of left arrows.

Jughandles - ugh!!!!

[Ian]

They are all over the place in Pennsylvania. 

Pennsylvania actually doesn't use the red arrow at all except in Philadelphia and a few in Pittsburgh.

[Greybear]

Add Des Moines to that Iowa list. I've seen a few, not many, red left arrows around town.

[PAHighways]

They are all over the place in Pennsylvania. 

Pennsylvania actually doesn't use the red arrow at all except in Philadelphia and a few in Pittsburgh.

PennDOT took the Philadelphia design (yellow signals and black backplates) and spread it across the state but for some reason left out the red arrows.

[LPCJr]

They are all over the place in Pennsylvania. 

Pennsylvania actually doesn't use the red arrow at all except in Philadelphia and a few in Pittsburgh.

Not true.  There are easily dozens of them here in Chester County.

[PAHighways]

District 6 does signal installations like I've never seen elsewhere in the Commonwealth, especially their liberal use of pedestal signals.

[Bryant5493]

On a semi-related note, I was looking at a video aimed at showing people how to drive. The video was produced by the California DMV. In California, it's illegal to make any turns against a red arrow (right or left). I live in Georgia, so I knew it's illegal turn left on a red arrow. I checked with GDOT on right turns against a red arrow, and the reponse was that it's okay as long as you stop on the right turn. (Many drivers don't stop on red, they just roll on through. I used to do that, but now I stop.)


Be well,

Bryant

[njroadhorse]

Jughandles - ugh!!!!

Lolz.  I laugh because I'm from Jersey and we have them all over the place.  They SUCK!!!! 

[Duke87]

Bear in mind that unless it's on a state highway, the local city/town or county is likely responsible for the traffic signals. In some cases, even if it is a state highway, the city/town is responsible.

This could be the cause for some of the apparent non-uniformity you may find within a state.

[Ian]

They are all over the place in Pennsylvania. 

Pennsylvania actually doesn't use the red arrow at all except in Philadelphia and a few in Pittsburgh.

Not true.  There are easily dozens of them here in Chester County.

Really? Never seen any there.

District 6 does signal installations like I've never seen elsewhere in the Commonwealth, especially their liberal use of pedestal signals.

true

[US71]

Which states currently use red arrows for protected turns?  So far I know of:

- Minnesota
- Nebraska
- Kentucky
- Illinois (northern and southern, but not around St. Louis)
- Iowa (at least in Council Bluffs, Davenport, and a new signal in Coralville)
- Florida

Arkansas is sporadic and primarily associated with Flashing Yellow Arrow signals. Fort Smith has at least 15 intersections with FYA's, but I'm not sure about the rest of the state.

[vdeane]

NY's use of the red arrow in not uniform.  Most protected turns don't have a red arrow, only green and yellow arrows.  There's one intersection with a protected left turn that has a standard light that simply has a sign saying "left turn signal".

[Ian]

a lot of states (like Pennsylvania) typically use the red ball indication for protected left turns...
http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/PennsylvaniaTrafficSignalsAndRoadSigns#5310497625582191778

And in almost all states, the protected/permitted signal is a "doghouse" style signal (except some where an inline 5 or 4 is used), like this...
http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/PennsylvaniaTrafficSignalsAndRoadSigns#5310497717460975362  (my old avatar  )

[yanksfan6129]

In New Jersey, for protected turns with red arrows, we usually don't do it the Pennsylvania way that PennDOTFan showed above. We usually include a fourth signal down on the traffic light specifically for this turn.

[Ian]

In New Jersey, for protected turns with red arrows, we usually don't do it the Pennsylvania way that PennDOTFan showed above. We usually include a fourth signal down on the traffic light specifically for this turn.

you mean an inline 4 like this  ?
http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/NewJerseyTrafficSignalsAndRoadSigns#5311709804616668850   

[Alex]

Delaware overuses these. Many turns are protected that really don't need it. Delaware also split-phases way to many intersections, especially those with subdivision entrances that are across from one another.

[Ian]

Delaware overuses these. Many turns are protected that really don't need it. Delaware also split-phases way to many intersections, especially those with subdivision entrances that are across from one another.

yay, im not the only one who thinks this 

[yanksfan6129]

In New Jersey, for protected turns with red arrows, we usually don't do it the Pennsylvania way that PennDOTFan showed above. We usually include a fourth signal down on the traffic light specifically for this turn.

Yes, exactly. My writing abilities are drained because I had a 10 page research paper due today.

you mean an inline 4 like this  ?
http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/NewJerseyTrafficSignalsAndRoadSigns#5311709804616668850