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Started by swbrotha100, February 22, 2015, 07:18:10 PM

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kernals12

Here's something exciting; they're planning to convert 6 interchanges on I-17 to volleyball interchanges or "three level diamonds" as they call them. The interchanges are: Indian School Road, Camelback Road, Glendale Avenue, Northern Avenue, Thunderbird Road, and Bell Road.

https://www.azmag.gov/Portals/0/FLCP/FY-2022-FLCP-Publication-12.1.2021.pdf



Sonic99

Also of note that I saw right away was 2024 marked for finally expanding I-10 from the 202 Santan/South Mountain down to Riggs, adding both HOV and GP lanes.
If you used to draw freeways on your homework and got reprimanded by your Senior English teacher for doing so, you might be a road geek!

kernals12

Quote from: Sonic99 on December 20, 2021, 01:02:46 AM
Also of note that I saw right away was 2024 marked for finally expanding I-10 from the 202 Santan/South Mountain down to Riggs, adding both HOV and GP lanes.

*Assuming approval from the Gila River Indian Reservation

Sonic99

Quote from: kernals12 on December 20, 2021, 08:45:03 AM
Quote from: Sonic99 on December 20, 2021, 01:02:46 AM
Also of note that I saw right away was 2024 marked for finally expanding I-10 from the 202 Santan/South Mountain down to Riggs, adding both HOV and GP lanes.

*Assuming approval from the Gila River Indian Reservation

I believe ADOT and the GRIC are on good speaking terms right now and the GRIC gave the green light a couple years back to ADOT starting the Study process for the corridor, so I certainly hope they're taking care of things and the project at this point will happen without further hiccups.
If you used to draw freeways on your homework and got reprimanded by your Senior English teacher for doing so, you might be a road geek!

Zonie

There's new leadership within the GRIC that's more amenable to freeways and development - they've seen the success the SRPMIC has had along Loop 101 and the benefits it brings to its membership.

This is why you see significant commercial development to the south of Loop 202 between 32nd Street and 40th Street, plus moving the Phoenix Rising stadium to the community. 

JKRhodes

Quote from: US 89 on November 17, 2021, 09:10:56 AM
Quote from: DJStephens on November 12, 2021, 08:28:25 PM
But continuing on the topic of Auxiliary lanes, and the Superstition Frwy, yes those N-S arterials in the Chandler / Tempe / Gilbert / Mesa areas are exactly a mile apart.  Probably got that sensibility from Chicago and Detroit.

Well, Phoenix suburban planners did not copy Chicago and Detroit, but the arterials are spaced a mile apart in all three cities for the same reason: the Public Land Survey System used by the federal government to survey and divide up new land since the US became its own country. That system divides land into 36-square-mile townships, which are themselves divided into 36 1-square-mile sections.  So if you build roads along the section lines, you'll get a square grid of them spaced exactly 1 mile apart.

You can see this in most major US cities first settled after 1800 or so, especially west of the Mississippi and north of the Ohio River. Aside from the 3 cities already named, the section line road grid is pretty obvious in places like Las Vegas, Boise, Albuquerque, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Milwaukee, Miami, and more... and it's still there but maybe a little less obvious in places like Indianapolis, Denver, Salt Lake City...

One interesting side effect of the township/section survey system comes from attempting to lay a two dimensional grid pattern atop a spherical earth. This creates inconsitensies in the section lines where they don't always line up perfectly. As a result, In the east Phoenix valley all the north-south streets jog from east to west at baseline road, with the jog becoming more dramatic the further east you go. away from the Gila River/Salt River meridian, which is the center point of Arizona's land survey. Many of the east-west streets jog south at power road due to this phenomenon as well

Same thing happens in Tucson with the east west streets taking on a slightly more southern alignment east of Wilmot Road.

kernals12

The widening of Loop 101 between I-17 and Pima Road is almost finished. Lane striping will be done over this weekend.

Hopefully they'll be moving on to widening 101 between Princess Drive and Shea Boulevard. I encountered a traffic jam there when I was in Phoenix.  :bigass:

Sonic99

Quote from: kernals12 on January 04, 2022, 07:06:14 PM
The widening of Loop 101 between I-17 and Pima Road is almost finished. Lane striping will be done over this weekend.

Hopefully they'll be moving on to widening 101 between Princess Drive and Shea Boulevard. I encountered a traffic jam there when I was in Phoenix.  :bigass:

Only a full year behind schedule...
If you used to draw freeways on your homework and got reprimanded by your Senior English teacher for doing so, you might be a road geek!

kdk

#583
Quote from: Zonie on January 02, 2022, 05:56:53 PM
There's new leadership within the GRIC that's more amenable to freeways and development - they've seen the success the SRPMIC has had along Loop 101 and the benefits it brings to its membership.

This is why you see significant commercial development to the south of Loop 202 between 32nd Street and 40th Street, plus moving the Phoenix Rising stadium to the community.

Also, one of the holdups was their requests for additional interchanges along I-10 on the reservation for their own development.  I saw in the ADOT plan there is an additional interchange (called just an access point) planned for about halfway between the 347 interchange and Riggs.  I believe they had requested three additional interchanges, so there may be two more as well further southeast, but this is likely why the widening plans are okay with them.

kernals12

What do you know?
Gov. Ducey, in his State of the State address, is calling for the widening of I-10 between Phoenix and Tucson to 6 lanes be accelerated
https://azgovernor.gov/node/5782

Zonie

Quote from: kdk on January 10, 2022, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: Zonie on January 02, 2022, 05:56:53 PM
There's new leadership within the GRIC that's more amenable to freeways and development - they've seen the success the SRPMIC has had along Loop 101 and the benefits it brings to its membership.

This is why you see significant commercial development to the south of Loop 202 between 32nd Street and 40th Street, plus moving the Phoenix Rising stadium to the community.

Also, one of the holdups was their requests for additional interchanges along I-10 on the reservation for their own development.  I saw in the ADOT plan there is an additional interchange (called just an access point) planned for about halfway between the 374 interchange and Riggs.  I believe they had requested three additional interchanges, so there may be two more as well further southeast, but this is likely why the widening plans are okay with them.

I agree - that one between Riggs and 347 would provide better access to the massive Intel plant expansion in South Chandler.  Just speculating, but one due west of Sacaton (just north of the Gila) would be beneficial as well. 

kdk

Quote from: Zonie on January 11, 2022, 10:24:10 AM
Quote from: kdk on January 10, 2022, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: Zonie on January 02, 2022, 05:56:53 PM
There's new leadership within the GRIC that's more amenable to freeways and development - they've seen the success the SRPMIC has had along Loop 101 and the benefits it brings to its membership.

This is why you see significant commercial development to the south of Loop 202 between 32nd Street and 40th Street, plus moving the Phoenix Rising stadium to the community.

Also, one of the holdups was their requests for additional interchanges along I-10 on the reservation for their own development.  I saw in the ADOT plan there is an additional interchange (called just an access point) planned for about halfway between the 374 interchange and Riggs.  I believe they had requested three additional interchanges, so there may be two more as well further southeast, but this is likely why the widening plans are okay with them.

I agree - that one between Riggs and 347 would provide better access to the massive Intel plant expansion in South Chandler.  Just speculating, but one due west of Sacaton (just north of the Gila) would be beneficial as well.

I can't find any maps of this, but the new east-west parkway that is getting started in Maricopa, it's said to plan to connect to I-10 north of Casa Grande once it's finished.  that would appear to line up to where the Sacaton exit would go.

Zonie


kernals12


kdk

Quote from: Zonie on January 11, 2022, 07:25:17 PM
@kdk

Try this - https://www.pinalcountyaz.gov/PublicWorks/TransportationPlanning/Documents/EWC%20Final%20DCR%20Report.pdf

Thank you!  Good info.
The previous articles I had read they had made this new parkway to sound like an alternative to 347 up to Phoenix and I was still under that impression.  In reality it's more of a better connector to Casa Grande and the Tucson area.

ztonyg

Quote from: kernals12 on January 11, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

There are a few overhead signs that are missing exit tabs and some of the concrete (especially E/B near the AZ 51 interchange) needs some resurfacing but overall I am happy with the project and especially happy it's over (I live around 7th Ave / Greenway and use the 101 to travel to Scottsdale multiple times per week).

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: kernals12 on January 11, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.
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Sonic99

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2022, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 11, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...
If you used to draw freeways on your homework and got reprimanded by your Senior English teacher for doing so, you might be a road geek!

kernals12

Quote from: Sonic99 on January 17, 2022, 01:18:57 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2022, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 11, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Zonie

Quote from: kernals12 on January 17, 2022, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: Sonic99 on January 17, 2022, 01:18:57 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2022, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 11, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   :spin:

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: Zonie on January 17, 2022, 09:37:33 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 17, 2022, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: Sonic99 on January 17, 2022, 01:18:57 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2022, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 11, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   :spin:
Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 17, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: Zonie on January 17, 2022, 09:37:33 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 17, 2022, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: Sonic99 on January 17, 2022, 01:18:57 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2022, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 11, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   :spin:
Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

Reddit is famous for drawing New Urbanism and NUMTOT types. 

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2022, 02:01:39 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 17, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: Zonie on January 17, 2022, 09:37:33 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 17, 2022, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: Sonic99 on January 17, 2022, 01:18:57 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2022, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 11, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   :spin:
Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

Reddit is famous for drawing New Urbanism and NUMTOT types.
Yeah I've figured that out lol. What is NUMTOT?

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 17, 2022, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2022, 02:01:39 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 17, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: Zonie on January 17, 2022, 09:37:33 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 17, 2022, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: Sonic99 on January 17, 2022, 01:18:57 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2022, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 11, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   :spin:
Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

Reddit is famous for drawing New Urbanism and NUMTOT types.
Yeah I've figured that out lol. What is NUMTOT?

New Urban Memes for Transit Oriented Teens.  Basically one of the most detestable groups people (emphasis my opinion) on the internet in modern times.  Basically their stance is "f#^% roads and cars."

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2022, 02:47:15 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 17, 2022, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2022, 02:01:39 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 17, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: Zonie on January 17, 2022, 09:37:33 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 17, 2022, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: Sonic99 on January 17, 2022, 01:18:57 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2022, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on January 11, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   :spin:
Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

Reddit is famous for drawing New Urbanism and NUMTOT types.
Yeah I've figured that out lol. What is NUMTOT?

New Urban Memes for Transit Oriented Teens.  Basically one of the most detestable groups people (emphasis my opinion) on the internet in modern times.  Basically their stance is "f#^% roads and cars."
Christ, I shouldn't have even asked. I regret knowing these people exist now.



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