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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #550 on: September 29, 2022, 11:38:39 PM »

Google Maps Street View has updated some of its images to late August 2022 showing some of the new exit numbers in the Wilson area. Here's a glimpse of the new numbers for the US 301 and I-795 exits heading east, though they forgot to removed the no longer needed letter C from the I-795 exit (also notice what is wrong with the US 301 numbers?):


Images also show the new I-587 mileage based exit numbers on US 264 East for the I-95 exit. It appears, however, that NCDOT is simply subtracting 20 from the US 264 exit numbers to get the new ones, the original exit was 38, since I-95 is at I-587 MM 19:


A few other new exit number images at: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut587.html#photos

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #551 on: September 30, 2022, 01:11:40 AM »

I wonder how much NC spent on signage to change this thing from all the designations they have given it.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #552 on: September 30, 2022, 02:07:12 PM »

Wikipedia has not been updated to reflect the new exit numbers on Interstate 587. Also, the 587 page states under the future banner that the DOT doesn't have a timeline to upgrade 264 between Zebulon and Wilson to Interstate Standards, although in the exit list, it says the upgrade to Interstate Standards for this segment will start in 2025 or 2026. Is this accurate?
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #553 on: September 30, 2022, 03:00:56 PM »

Also, the 587 page states under the future banner that the DOT doesn't have a timeline to upgrade 264 between Zebulon and Wilson to Interstate Standards, although in the exit list, it says the upgrade to Interstate Standards for this segment will start in 2025 or 2026. Is this accurate?

As it stands now, yes.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-07-27-new-signs-future-i-587.aspx

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #554 on: October 02, 2022, 03:27:30 PM »

Google Maps Street View has added more August 2022 coverage of Future and current I-587. I have been able to capture new exit numbers from east:


To west:


The rest of the images are on my I-587 in NC webpage:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut587.html#photos

My exit list has been updated accordingly:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i587exits.html

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #555 on: October 02, 2022, 09:18:41 PM »

My exit list has been updated accordingly:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i587exits.html

Can confirm at least one more exit # for you from what you list as not confirmed:

US-264 Alt as Exit 16A/B: https://goo.gl/maps/6QBR3hTgrvtkvMxBA

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #556 on: October 09, 2022, 07:08:25 PM »

No Old Exit Numbers? 

I would figure that would be confusing of a sudden change. Even NJ on I-295 that was applied to old I-95 exits used both Old and New. Ditto in PA and when Florida did the change in early 2000s.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #557 on: October 12, 2022, 10:50:57 PM »

No Old Exit Numbers? 

I would figure that would be confusing of a sudden change. Even NJ on I-295 that was applied to old I-95 exits used both Old and New. Ditto in PA and when Florida did the change in early 2000s.
As far as I know, NCDOT has never been in the practice of putting up Old Exit number signs along its highways. They just put the numbers up, sometimes with publicity, sometimes not. I have not seen any publicity at all about the new I-587 numbers, that's why I've relied on Street View images to confirm the numbers posted on my exit list.

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #558 on: October 13, 2022, 11:21:38 AM »

No Old Exit Numbers? 

I would figure that would be confusing of a sudden change. Even NJ on I-295 that was applied to old I-95 exits used both Old and New. Ditto in PA and when Florida did the change in early 2000s.
As far as I know, NCDOT has never been in the practice of putting up Old Exit number signs along its highways. They just put the numbers up, sometimes with publicity, sometimes not. I have not seen any publicity at all about the new I-587 numbers, that's why I've relied on Street View images to confirm the numbers posted on my exit list.

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #559 on: October 13, 2022, 02:38:31 PM »

No Old Exit Numbers? 

I would figure that would be confusing of a sudden change. Even NJ on I-295 that was applied to old I-95 exits used both Old and New. Ditto in PA and when Florida did the change in early 2000s.

As far as I know, NCDOT has never been in the practice of putting up Old Exit number signs along its highways. They just put the numbers up, sometimes with publicity, sometimes not. I have not seen any publicity at all about the new I-587 numbers, that's why I've relied on Street View images to confirm the numbers posted on my exit list.



Nice find.  I'm like bob7374 and I've never seen them in North Carolina.  (Until your post).
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #560 on: October 13, 2022, 06:20:42 PM »

No Old Exit Numbers? 

I would figure that would be confusing of a sudden change. Even NJ on I-295 that was applied to old I-95 exits used both Old and New. Ditto in PA and when Florida did the change in early 2000s.

As far as I know, NCDOT has never been in the practice of putting up Old Exit number signs along its highways. They just put the numbers up, sometimes with publicity, sometimes not. I have not seen any publicity at all about the new I-587 numbers, that's why I've relied on Street View images to confirm the numbers posted on my exit list.



Nice find.  I'm like bob7374 and I've never seen them in North Carolina.  (Until your post).
The difference, perhaps, being that the I-26 project involved renumbering exits on an existing interstate, whereas the 587 and 885 projects involve upgrading an existing roadway to interstate standards (thus creating a new interstate).

Could be totally off here, though.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #561 on: October 14, 2022, 07:46:13 AM »

^ Definitely a possibility. There is also the previously cited aluminum shortage factoring into the decision not to make throw-away signs.

There was a lot of paper and TV news coverage at the time regarding the completion of I-26 through Madison County and the exit numbers all increasing by 31. The "old exit" signs were around for about two years. There was also discussion regarding how much traffic would be brought by the new highway and if I-240 through Asheville could handle the volumes. Many couldn't believe it would be another 10 years before construction would start on the I-26 connector in 2013....
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #562 on: October 14, 2022, 08:27:56 PM »

No Old Exit Numbers? 

I would figure that would be confusing of a sudden change. Even NJ on I-295 that was applied to old I-95 exits used both Old and New. Ditto in PA and when Florida did the change in early 2000s.

As far as I know, NCDOT has never been in the practice of putting up Old Exit number signs along its highways. They just put the numbers up, sometimes with publicity, sometimes not. I have not seen any publicity at all about the new I-587 numbers, that's why I've relied on Street View images to confirm the numbers posted on my exit list.



Nice find.  I'm like bob7374 and I've never seen them in North Carolina.  (Until your post).
The difference, perhaps, being that the I-26 project involved renumbering exits on an existing interstate, whereas the 587 and 885 projects involve upgrading an existing roadway to interstate standards (thus creating a new interstate).

Could be totally off here, though.

Maybe it's from when I-26 was extended into TN.  That's my guess.

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #563 on: October 16, 2022, 01:24:45 PM »

No Old Exit Numbers? 

I would figure that would be confusing of a sudden change. Even NJ on I-295 that was applied to old I-95 exits used both Old and New. Ditto in PA and when Florida did the change in early 2000s.

As far as I know, NCDOT has never been in the practice of putting up Old Exit number signs along its highways. They just put the numbers up, sometimes with publicity, sometimes not. I have not seen any publicity at all about the new I-587 numbers, that's why I've relied on Street View images to confirm the numbers posted on my exit list.



Nice find.  I'm like bob7374 and I've never seen them in North Carolina.  (Until your post).
The difference, perhaps, being that the I-26 project involved renumbering exits on an existing interstate, whereas the 587 and 885 projects involve upgrading an existing roadway to interstate standards (thus creating a new interstate).

Could be totally off here, though.

Maybe it's from when I-26 was extended into TN.  That's my guess.

You are correct.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #564 on: October 26, 2022, 11:47:10 AM »

I've posted photos of I-587's renumbered exit signage from I-95 to Greenville, including this update of a sign posted above, now without the unneeded suffix letter:


on my New/Future I-587 website:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut587.html#photos

More photos of the new exit numbering west of I-95 coming soon.

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #565 on: October 26, 2022, 02:31:12 PM »

I've posted photos of I-587's renumbered exit signage from I-95 to Greenville, including this update of a sign posted above, now without the unneeded suffix letter:

Ugh. Too bad NCDOT didn't replace Kenly with Wilmington as a control city for I-795 while they were at it. Kenly as a control city makes zero sense there.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #566 on: October 26, 2022, 05:53:09 PM »

Reminds me of earlier efforts to replace "Benson" with "Wilmington" on I-40 in the Raleigh area.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #567 on: October 27, 2022, 08:41:26 AM »

Reminds me of earlier efforts to replace "Benson" with "Wilmington" on I-40 in the Raleigh area.

At least I-40 goes to both places. In this case, anybody coming in on US-264 from points west of I-95 that wants to go to Kenly would simply hop on I-95 South, and having been through Lucama, I can honestly say there's nothing there that warrants a special 264/795/301 detour.

I-795's intended purpose is to serve as a shortcut to Wilmington, so why not sign it as such?
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #568 on: October 27, 2022, 08:57:12 AM »

I-795's intended purpose is to serve as a shortcut to Wilmington, so why not sign it as such?

It does not go to Wilmington probably a strong reason. Heck, it does not even reconnect with another interstate at this time.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #569 on: October 27, 2022, 10:16:13 AM »

I-795's intended purpose is to serve as a shortcut to Wilmington, so why not sign it as such?

It does not go to Wilmington probably a strong reason.

Again...it's intended purpose is to act as a shortcut to Wilmington, which it does, via connection to US-117 in Goldsboro, which leads to I-40 in Faison. Wilmington is already used as a control city for I-795 South at the interchange with I-42/US-70 Bypass in Goldsboro. NCDOT isn't going through the trouble of extending I-795 just to boost economic development in Faison...

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Heck, it does not even reconnect with another interstate at this time.

Officially, it does at this time. It just hasn't been signed yet.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-03-16-i-42-coming-us-70-corridor.aspx
« Last Edit: October 27, 2022, 01:35:46 PM by LM117 »
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #570 on: October 27, 2022, 03:22:08 PM »

I-795's intended purpose is to serve as a shortcut to Wilmington, so why not sign it as such?

Not when it was originally signed.  The original US-117 relocation had two original purposes:

1.  Providing a connection to the north for the Global TransPark in Kinston (which is not along I-795).
2.  Providing a connection to the north for container traffic from the Port of North Carolina in Morehead City (which is also not along I-795).

Since all of it was [kinda] constructed to Interstate standards, NCDOT applied for the Interstate designation the next year.  It probably surprised NCDOT when AASHTO approved the designation.  I'm sure that it wasn't long after receiving the I-795 designation that the locals in Dudley started noticing an uptick in through truck traffic on US-117 between I-40 and Goldsboro.  So yes, I-795 now is planned to be extended to I-40 and should get eventually get "Wilmington" as a control city.  But the current BGS on I-95 and the BGS pull-throughs on I-795 are not large enough to accommodate both "Goldsboro" and "Wilmington" on the same signs.  In proper North Carolina fashion, everyone will need to wait until the old signs are ready to be replaced (or I-795 is extended, whichever comes first).
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #571 on: October 27, 2022, 08:45:37 PM »

I-795's intended purpose is to serve as a shortcut to Wilmington, so why not sign it as such?

It does not go to Wilmington probably a strong reason. Heck, it does not even reconnect with another interstate at this time.
In any case Kenly is a weird choice. Better to have Goldsboro by itself.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #572 on: October 27, 2022, 10:10:29 PM »

I-795's intended purpose is to serve as a shortcut to Wilmington, so why not sign it as such?

It does not go to Wilmington probably a strong reason. Heck, it does not even reconnect with another interstate at this time.

In any case Kenly is a weird choice. Better to have Goldsboro by itself.

But this is indeed the Kenly exit off of I-587, because you don't want to take the less direct US-301.  It is also the exit for I-795 with a Control City of Goldsboro. 
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #573 on: October 28, 2022, 06:50:09 AM »

I-795's intended purpose is to serve as a shortcut to Wilmington, so why not sign it as such?

It does not go to Wilmington probably a strong reason. Heck, it does not even reconnect with another interstate at this time.

In any case Kenly is a weird choice. Better to have Goldsboro by itself.

But this is indeed the Kenly exit off of I-587, because you don't want to take the less direct US-301.  It is also the exit for I-795 with a Control City of Goldsboro. 

It should be on a supplemental sign then.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #574 on: October 28, 2022, 06:28:44 PM »

I-795's intended purpose is to serve as a shortcut to Wilmington, so why not sign it as such?

It does not go to Wilmington probably a strong reason. Heck, it does not even reconnect with another interstate at this time.

In any case Kenly is a weird choice. Better to have Goldsboro by itself.

But this is indeed the Kenly exit off of I-587, because you don't want to take the less direct US-301.  It is also the exit for I-795 with a Control City of Goldsboro.
Kenly is a weird choice because it is not on I-795 and at population 1491 it is not a major destination. If we need to have a small burg on the sign, Fremont has population 1196 and it actually is on I-795, halfway to Goldsboro.
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