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Started by The Premier, January 25, 2011, 05:38:18 PM

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kevinb1994

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What mall is this?

It's in Richmond just east of I-95.
Appears to be the Azalea Mall. It was built in 1963, closed in 1995. Was demolished in 1998.
And it has not been redeveloped and the foundation is still standing. Gross, I say. It's probably I-295 that killed the mall.
Regency was the first nail in the coffin.

Virginia was the final nail in the coffin.
The neighborhood doesn't even look that bad.
I was surprised to see the mall just sitting there like that.
Even worse than the Vernon Park Mall in Kinston. That mall has been sitting there undeveloped for over 20 years.
I've yet to see that one.


tolbs17

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:08:38 PM
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What mall is this?

It's in Richmond just east of I-95.
Appears to be the Azalea Mall. It was built in 1963, closed in 1995. Was demolished in 1998.
And it has not been redeveloped and the foundation is still standing. Gross, I say. It's probably I-295 that killed the mall.
Regency was the first nail in the coffin.

Virginia was the final nail in the coffin.
The neighborhood doesn't even look that bad.
I was surprised to see the mall just sitting there like that.
Even worse than the Vernon Park Mall in Kinston. That mall has been sitting there undeveloped for over 20 years.
I've yet to see that one.
http://www.vernonparkmall.com/
I do have a thread here, and I hope it gets moved.

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 03:51:48 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 02:33:46 PM
What mall is this?

It's in Richmond just east of I-95.
Appears to be the Azalea Mall. It was built in 1963, closed in 1995. Was demolished in 1998.
And it has not been redeveloped and the foundation is still standing. Gross, I say. It's probably I-295 that killed the mall.

Actually, Virginia Center Commons killed Azalea Mall by accelerating white flight - people didn't want to go into the city to shop at a mall in the early 1990s.

Of course, VCC was itself killed by Short Pump Town Center and Stony Point Fashion Park (which is itself dying), and has been mostly demolished except for its anchors (so the DeadMalls.com article isn't entirely correct anymore).

There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
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kevinb1994

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 03:51:48 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 02:33:46 PM
What mall is this?

It's in Richmond just east of I-95.
Appears to be the Azalea Mall. It was built in 1963, closed in 1995. Was demolished in 1998.
And it has not been redeveloped and the foundation is still standing. Gross, I say. It's probably I-295 that killed the mall.

Actually, Virginia Center Commons killed Azalea Mall by accelerating white flight - people didn't want to go into the city to shop at a mall in the early 1990s.

Of course, VCC was itself killed by Short Pump Town Center and Stony Point Fashion Park (which is itself dying), and has been mostly demolished except for its anchors (so the DeadMalls.com article isn't entirely correct anymore).

There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Oh, thanks, Will. I wasn't interested in finishing up the article I was just trying to get to the point of what killed the Azalea Mall back in the day. Sucks that City Council has turned its back on the property.

Was not aware of Stony Point dying off. Short Pump seems nice enough.

tolbs17

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.

kevinb1994

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Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.

I actually pulled off of one of the two Baltimore tunnel approaches by accident and found myself in a derelict-looking neighborhood. I felt bad and left by simply turning around and driving back to the highway.

tolbs17

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.
The Triangle Town Center is in them but it's in a middle-class area where it's mixed.

kevinb1994

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.
The Triangle Town Center is in them but it's in a middle-class area where it's mixed.
Right, and speaking of foreclosed malls, there is now one in Montgomery County, PA. The Montgomery Mall has just been foreclosed upon.

tolbs17

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:39:31 PM
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Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.
The Triangle Town Center is in them but it's in a middle-class area where it's mixed.
Right, and speaking of foreclosed malls, there is now one in Montgomery County, PA. The Montgomery Mall has just been foreclosed upon.
Our mall in Greenville, NC needs work done to it. It's very boring.

kevinb1994

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.
The Triangle Town Center is in them but it's in a middle-class area where it's mixed.
Right, and speaking of foreclosed malls, there is now one in Montgomery County, PA. The Montgomery Mall has just been foreclosed upon.
Our mall in Greenville, NC needs work done to it. It's very boring.
Which one?

tolbs17

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.
The Triangle Town Center is in them but it's in a middle-class area where it's mixed.
Right, and speaking of foreclosed malls, there is now one in Montgomery County, PA. The Montgomery Mall has just been foreclosed upon.
Our mall in Greenville, NC needs work done to it. It's very boring.
Which one?
https://www.thegreenvillemall.com/en.html

1995hoo

To make it sports-related, the Hartford Whalers' arena was attached to a shopping mall.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

kevinb1994

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.
The Triangle Town Center is in them but it's in a middle-class area where it's mixed.
Right, and speaking of foreclosed malls, there is now one in Montgomery County, PA. The Montgomery Mall has just been foreclosed upon.
Our mall in Greenville, NC needs work done to it. It's very boring.
Which one?
https://www.thegreenvillemall.com/en.html
Oh that one. I can see why a one-story mall would be uninspiring.

kevinb1994

Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
To make it sports-related, the Hartford Whalers' arena was attached to a shopping mall.
Yes and here in Jacksonville the old Philips Mall, or, Philips Highway Plaza has a rink that has attracted the IceMen, who are now affiliates of the current Hartford team. In addition to the NY Rangers.

tolbs17

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 05:02:15 PM
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Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.
The Triangle Town Center is in them but it's in a middle-class area where it's mixed.
Right, and speaking of foreclosed malls, there is now one in Montgomery County, PA. The Montgomery Mall has just been foreclosed upon.
Our mall in Greenville, NC needs work done to it. It's very boring.
Which one?
https://www.thegreenvillemall.com/en.html
Oh that one. I can see why a one-story mall would be uninspiring.
And yet Kinston and Asheville have bigger malls than we do here.

kevinb1994

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 05:02:15 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.
The Triangle Town Center is in them but it's in a middle-class area where it's mixed.
Right, and speaking of foreclosed malls, there is now one in Montgomery County, PA. The Montgomery Mall has just been foreclosed upon.
Our mall in Greenville, NC needs work done to it. It's very boring.
Which one?
https://www.thegreenvillemall.com/en.html
Oh that one. I can see why a one-story mall would be uninspiring.
And yet Kinston and Asheville have bigger malls than we do here.
Kinston is on a major east-west corridor (US 70). Asheville is obviously at a major crossroads.

tolbs17

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 05:18:01 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 05:02:15 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.
The Triangle Town Center is in them but it's in a middle-class area where it's mixed.
Right, and speaking of foreclosed malls, there is now one in Montgomery County, PA. The Montgomery Mall has just been foreclosed upon.
Our mall in Greenville, NC needs work done to it. It's very boring.
Which one?
https://www.thegreenvillemall.com/en.html
Oh that one. I can see why a one-story mall would be uninspiring.
And yet Kinston and Asheville have bigger malls than we do here.
Kinston is on a major east-west corridor (US 70). Asheville is obviously at a major crossroads.
But, you have the Kinston Bypass coming up soon. Its going to kill the mall even more.

kevinb1994

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:21:25 PM
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Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.
No, it is not, but it has some (somewhat?) decent suburbs. Remember, a metro area is a better sum of the parts.
The Triangle Town Center is in them but it's in a middle-class area where it's mixed.
Right, and speaking of foreclosed malls, there is now one in Montgomery County, PA. The Montgomery Mall has just been foreclosed upon.
Our mall in Greenville, NC needs work done to it. It's very boring.
Which one?
https://www.thegreenvillemall.com/en.html
Oh that one. I can see why a one-story mall would be uninspiring.
And yet Kinston and Asheville have bigger malls than we do here.
Kinston is on a major east-west corridor (US 70). Asheville is obviously at a major crossroads.
But, you have the Kinston Bypass coming up soon. Its going to kill the mall even more.
I guess that just leaves Asheville then. Oh well.

tolbs17

Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
To make it sports-related, the Hartford Whalers' arena was attached to a shopping mall.
It's NOT sports related. I put this in the wrong section.

kevinb1994

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
To make it sports-related, the Hartford Whalers' arena was attached to a shopping mall.
It's NOT sports related. I put this in the wrong section.
Dude, chill. Just wait until the mods step in and fix it.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
To make it sports-related, the Hartford Whalers' arena was attached to a shopping mall.
It's NOT sports related. I put this in the wrong section.
Dude, chill. Just wait until the mods step in and fix it.

Did someone say chill?  Time for some ice puns!



kevinb1994

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
To make it sports-related, the Hartford Whalers' arena was attached to a shopping mall.
It's NOT sports related. I put this in the wrong section.
Dude, chill. Just wait until the mods step in and fix it.

Did someone say chill?  Time for some ice puns!


Ha, well, it is rather hot out outside here.

1995hoo

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
To make it sports-related, the Hartford Whalers' arena was attached to a shopping mall.
It's NOT sports related. I put this in the wrong section.
Dude, chill. Just wait until the mods step in and fix it.

Or go to Hartford since there's an ice rink.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

kevinb1994

Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
To make it sports-related, the Hartford Whalers' arena was attached to a shopping mall.
It's NOT sports related. I put this in the wrong section.
Dude, chill. Just wait until the mods step in and fix it.

Or go to Hartford since there's an ice rink.
Haha, good one. I mean, this is the Cowford.

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 22, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
There have been so many proposals to redevelop the Azalea Mall property over the years, but none of them have seen the light of day as Richmond City Council is uninterested in redevelopment.
Which is why Richmond isn't the best city to live in.

Richmond was *much* rougher at the time. That area has changed and is now mostly old money along Brook Road, with lower incomes over toward Chamberlayne Avenue.
Will Weaver
WillWeaverRVA Photography | Twitter

"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2



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