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Words that should rhyme but do not

Started by kurumi, March 22, 2023, 08:17:13 PM

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kurumi

We all know about bough, cough, dough, tough, and through.

But there are other pairs that rhyme on paper but not when pronounced:

patio / ratio
Roger / Kroger
Sean / Bean
rugged / shrugged
ratchet / yacht
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Quote from: 1 on March 22, 2023, 08:17:38 PM
snow plow

Interesting feature of this is that the "w" in "snow" is part of the "ow" diphthong and is sometimes considered a vowel because of this, where the "w" in "plow" is simply a consonant.

I always used the phrase "power mower" as an example.

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Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2023, 08:17:13 PM
We all know about bough, cough, dough, tough, and through.

I think "ough" cannot be trusted with its multiple pronunciation offenses, and should be oughsted from the English language.


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Quote from: formulanone on March 22, 2023, 09:09:29 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2023, 08:17:13 PM
We all know about bough, cough, dough, tough, and through.

I think "ough" cannot be trusted with its multiple pronunciation offenses, and should be oughsted from the English language.

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7/8

#9
Bone / done / gone
Couch / touch
Daughter / laughter
Bother / brother

One that doesn't apply to everyone:
Spider / rider (I use "canadian raising" on the "i" in spider even though it's before a voiced consonant).

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Quote from: dlsterner on March 22, 2023, 08:24:52 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 22, 2023, 08:17:38 PM
snow plow

Interesting feature of this is that the "w" in "snow" is part of the "ow" diphthong and is sometimes considered a vowel because of this, where the "w" in "plow" is simply a consonant.

The "ow" of plow is a diphthong in that it starts with the "ah" sound and ends with the "ooh" sound. It's not a diaeresis, where two distinct vowels sounds occur in succession, since they blend into one another.

If you're going for the idea of two letters making one sound, the word for that is digraph. Now, diphthongs are often digraphs, but not always, for example with "I."

Also, sake and sake.
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Quote from: dlsterner on March 22, 2023, 08:24:52 PM

Quote from: 1 on March 22, 2023, 08:17:38 PM
snow plow

Interesting feature of this is that the "w" in "snow" is part of the "ow" diphthong and is sometimes considered a vowel because of this, where the "w" in "plow" is simply a consonant.

I always used the phrase "power mower" as an example.

I don't follow.  How does that make the W in the word PLOW a consonant?

The words "power" and "devour" rhyme.
POWER = /ˈpaʊ.ɚ/
DEVOUR = /dɪˈvaʊ.ɚ/

The words "mower" and "churchgoer" rhyme.
MOWER = /ˈmoʊ.ɚ/
CHURCHGOER = /ˈtʃɝːtʃˌɡoʊ.ɚ/
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Quote from: kphoger on March 23, 2023, 02:41:48 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on March 22, 2023, 08:24:52 PM

Quote from: 1 on March 22, 2023, 08:17:38 PM
snow plow

Interesting feature of this is that the "w" in "snow" is part of the "ow" diphthong and is sometimes considered a vowel because of this, where the "w" in "plow" is simply a consonant.

I always used the phrase "power mower" as an example.

I don't follow.  How does that make the W in the word PLOW a consonant?

The words "power" and "devour" rhyme.
POWER = /ˈpaʊ.ɚ/
DEVOUR = /dɪˈvaʊ.ɚ/

The words "mower" and "churchgoer" rhyme.
MOWER = /ˈmoʊ.ɚ/
CHURCHGOER = /ˈtʃɝːtʃˌɡoʊ.ɚ/

I was thinking the same thing. 'w', as the last letter in the word, is never really a consonant in English. It really only functions as a consonant at the beginning of a word or after another consonant, i.e. something like 'bellwether".

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Quote from: 7/8 on March 22, 2023, 10:53:05 PM
One that doesn't apply to everyone:
Spider / rider (I use "canadian raising" on the "i" in spider even though it's before a voiced consonant).

What about writer and rider?
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7/8

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on March 23, 2023, 11:03:23 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on March 22, 2023, 10:53:05 PM
One that doesn't apply to everyone:
Spider / rider (I use "canadian raising" on the "i" in spider even though it's before a voiced consonant).

What about writer and rider?

For me, writer and rider don't rhyme since the first has canadian raising and the latter doesn't. But writer and spider do rhyme.

Also, for some reason I use canadian raising in houses and spouses even though the first "s" is pronounced like a "z" (a voiced consonant). I guess that's because the singular of those two words has an "s" sound and therefore the singular words use canadian raising. It leads to an interesting case of the "ow" sound in houses and lousy being different for me.

hotdogPi

Quote from: 7/8 on March 23, 2023, 11:22:46 PM
It leads to an interesting case of the "ow" sound in houses and lousy being different for me.

They're the same to me, but rider and spider are different.
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Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

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Quote from: 7/8 on March 23, 2023, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on March 23, 2023, 11:03:23 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on March 22, 2023, 10:53:05 PM
One that doesn't apply to everyone:
Spider / rider (I use "canadian raising" on the "i" in spider even though it's before a voiced consonant).

What about writer and rider?

For me, writer and rider don't rhyme since the first has canadian raising and the latter doesn't. But writer and spider do rhyme.

Also, for some reason I use canadian raising in houses and spouses even though the first "s" is pronounced like a "z" (a voiced consonant). I guess that's because the singular of those two words has an "s" sound and therefore the singular words use canadian raising. It leads to an interesting case of the "ow" sound in houses and lousy being different for me.

Interesting. I seem to do the raising with "eye" sounds but not "ow" sounds.
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kphoger

Quote from: 7/8 on March 22, 2023, 10:53:05 PM
Spider / rider

Quote from: 7/8 on March 23, 2023, 11:22:46 PM
writer and rider

This thread is the first time in my life I've ever heard that those words don't rhyme for some people.  Learn something new every day.
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kurumi

Quote from: kphoger on March 24, 2023, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: 7/8 on March 22, 2023, 10:53:05 PM
Spider / rider

Quote from: 7/8 on March 23, 2023, 11:22:46 PM
writer and rider

This thread is the first time in my life I've ever heard that those words don't rhyme for some people.  Learn something new every day.

The /i/ sounds a bit different for me, in a way I haven't noticed before. A little longer and diphthong-y in "rider" compared to "spider" or "writer". Here's what wiktionary thinks:

(General American) enPR: spīʹdər, IPA(key): /ˈspaɪ̯dɚ/
(New England, Inland Northern American, Canada) enPR: spīʹdər, IPA(key): [ˈspʌɪ̯ɾə(ɹ)]

(General American) enPR: rī'dər, IPA(key): /ˈɹaɪ.dəɹ/, [ˈɹ̠aɪɾɚ]
(Canada, Inland Northern American) enPR: rī'dər, IPA(key): /ˈɹaɪ.dəɹ/, [ˈɹ̠รคɪɾɚ]

(General American) IPA(key): /ˈɹaɪ.təɹ/, [ˈɹ̠ăɪɾɚ]
(Canada, Inland Northern American) IPA(key): /ˈɹaɪ.təɹ/, [ˈɹ̠ʌɪɾɚ]
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