Specifically, any sign that has been completely deleted from the manual. Excludes text-to-pictogram changes and word changes, i.e. "Road Construction" to "Road Work".
The 2003 MUTCD had a bunch of special metric signs that were deleted in the 2009 MUTCD.
* The symbolic narrow bridge sign.
* The no turn on red signs similar to more standard symbolic no right/left turn signs. Missouri still uses them though (example (https://goo.gl/maps/WcSjtR3e5Mp1gnAs7).
* The 'roundabout diagram' warning sign. A couple newer ones have been installed in Missouri (https://goo.gl/maps/FvDb5Uxe1q28hd6z7) since their retirement/replacement in the MUTCD.
* The 'T-intersection' arrow plaque (post retirement example (https://goo.gl/maps/iVPxdaQcLpcdcm4RA)) and the version of the ahead and to the right arrow plaque with a stem continuing below the side arrow (post retirement example (https://goo.gl/maps/m1LxC8eKKiAiePMp7)).
* The symbolic pavement ends sign.
The "MILE YY EXIT XX" exit tabs.
Diagrammatic guide signs for cloverleaf interchanges.
Both introduced in the 1971 MUTCD, and deleted from the 1978 MUTCD.
Not a sign, but a 1971 MUTCD provision that got deleted that really should have been left in.
QuoteNumbered highways are not to be signed as memorial routes. Where legislatures name highways or bridges, appropriate plaques may be erected in rest areas or at other appropriate points to recognize this designation, but the affected highways and bridges are not to be signed with memorial names for viewing by traffic.
Of course, now, every highway under the sun is festooned with "Trooper Lance Adjutant Major Corporal Officer Hamsnaggler V. "Clem" McBiggensdaleson, OHP, DDS Memorial Highway."
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 20, 2019, 02:00:36 AM
Not a sign, but a 1971 MUTCD provision that got deleted that really should have been left in.
QuoteNumbered highways are not to be signed as memorial routes. Where legislatures name highways or bridges, appropriate plaques may be erected in rest areas or at other appropriate points to recognize this designation, but the affected highways and bridges are not to be signed with memorial names for viewing by traffic.
Of course, now, every highway under the sun is festooned with "Trooper Lance Adjutant Major Corporal Officer Hamsnaggler V. "Clem" McBiggensdaleson, OHP, DDS Memorial Highway."
I totally agree with this. It is a shame that many common names of the freeways (like "Golden State Freeway") are being phased out on signs, yet these names of people who may have been local heroes get promoted, even though nobody has ever heard of them.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 20, 2019, 02:00:36 AM
Not a sign, but a 1971 MUTCD provision that got deleted that really should have been left in.
QuoteNumbered highways are not to be signed as memorial routes. Where legislatures name highways or bridges, appropriate plaques may be erected in rest areas or at other appropriate points to recognize this designation, but the affected highways and bridges are not to be signed with memorial names for viewing by traffic.
Of course, now, every highway under the sun is festooned with "Trooper Lance Adjutant Major Corporal Officer Hamsnaggler V. "Clem" McBiggensdaleson, OHP, DDS Memorial Highway."
State supplements can and do override the MUTCD, and I'm guessing this was the case before this clause's deletion. Do you know when it was removed?
This was an issue when I-26 was extended into Tennessee. I don't remember the specifics on the I-181 portion of US 23, but I do know that most every bridge between Johnson City and the North Carolina line was named for someone, with appropriate signs erected. When that portion of 23 was signed as 26, Tennessee said that it had to remove all those naming signs to comply with federal requirements.
Since then, West Virginia has been naming more and more bridges and interchanges after people, so obviously states' mileages vary.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 20, 2019, 02:00:36 AM
Not a sign, but a 1971 MUTCD provision that got deleted that really should have been left in.
QuoteNumbered highways are not to be signed as memorial routes. Where legislatures name highways or bridges, appropriate plaques may be erected in rest areas or at other appropriate points to recognize this designation, but the affected highways and bridges are not to be signed with memorial names for viewing by traffic.
Not completely eliminated, but at least in the 2009 MUTCD, it is guidance and not a standard. See Section 2M.10.
Is the yellow diamond "SLOW" sign retired? I used to see these a lot, but they were usually embossed, so I assumed they were from the 1950s or 1960s.
I think the problem with these signs is that they don't say how slow, or why.
Quote from: bandit957 on September 26, 2019, 03:21:18 PM
Is the yellow diamond "SLOW" sign retired? I used to see these a lot, but they were usually embossed, so I assumed they were from the 1950s or 1960s.
I think the problem with these signs is that they don't say how slow, or why.
Apart from the STOP/SLOW paddle, which was first illustrated in the 1961 MUTCD, the yellow diamond SLOW sign has never appeared in any edition of the MUTCD. Early editions of the MUTCD up until and including the 1942 "war emergency" edition made reference to "Slow-type" warning signs, but didn't show or reference an actual panel with the word SLOW on it. Beginning with the 1948 edition, the warning sign section removed the 'slow-type signs' reference and was much more detailed regarding specific signs and typical locations.
Personally, I have never liked the SLOW sign for the reasons you stated.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 01, 2019, 05:56:57 PM
Specifically, any sign that has been completely deleted from the manual. Excludes text-to-pictogram changes and word changes, i.e. "Road Construction" to "Road Work".
I want to say
Limited Sight Distance was removed
Also the shield-shaped
R and
L were removed years ago
IIRC, the "Slow Children at Play" sign was in the MUTCD but was removed years ago. Hasn't stopped many municipalities from putting them up though...
Quote from: o on December 07, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
IIRC, the "Slow Children at Play" sign was in the MUTCD but was removed years ago. Hasn't stopped many municipalities from putting them up though...
Some parents probably complained and misinterpreted it as an insult towards their own special, unique little shit machine.
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Quote from: o on December 07, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
IIRC, the "Slow Children at Play" sign was in the MUTCD but was removed years ago. Hasn't stopped many municipalities from putting them up though...
Some parents probably complained and misinterpreted it as an insult towards their own special, unique little shit machine.
I once knew a special ed teacher that wanted one for her classroom
Quote from: Brian556 on December 07, 2019, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Quote from: o on December 07, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
IIRC, the "Slow Children at Play" sign was in the MUTCD but was removed years ago. Hasn't stopped many municipalities from putting them up though...
Some parents probably complained and misinterpreted it as an insult towards their own special, unique little shit machine.
I once knew a special ed teacher that wanted one for her classroom
Well, you are associated with a state DOT. You should get one made for her as some sort of good gesture.
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Quote from: o on December 07, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
IIRC, the "Slow Children at Play" sign was in the MUTCD but was removed years ago. Hasn't stopped many municipalities from putting them up though...
Some parents probably complained and misinterpreted it as an insult towards their own special, unique little shit machine.
IIRC, the official reason for removal was apparently because a study was done by the FHWA and found that they had little to no effect on driving behavior.
Quote from: US71 on September 26, 2019, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 01, 2019, 05:56:57 PM
Specifically, any sign that has been completely deleted from the manual. Excludes text-to-pictogram changes and word changes, i.e. "Road Construction" to "Road Work".
I want to say Limited Sight Distance was removed
I seem to recall a discussion on this forum where it was stated that a sign conveying that message was not in the MUTCD, so several states began using a "Limited Sight Distance" sign. When the "Hill Blocks View" sign was added, the Limited Sight Distance sign became obsolete.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11045.msg2444196#msg2444196
Not retired per se, but modified would be the yellow diamond intersection signs.
At one time, the lower priority road would be a narrower line than the main road. I've noticed over the years that no longer appears to be true. A few of the older signs are still out there, but they are gradually going away.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 20, 2019, 02:00:36 AM
Not a sign, but a 1971 MUTCD provision that got deleted that really should have been left in.
QuoteNumbered highways are not to be signed as memorial routes. Where legislatures name highways or bridges, appropriate plaques may be erected in rest areas or at other appropriate points to recognize this designation, but the affected highways and bridges are not to be signed with memorial names for viewing by traffic.
Of course, now, every highway under the sun is festooned with "Trooper Lance Adjutant Major Corporal Officer Hamsnaggler V. "Clem" McBiggensdaleson, OHP, DDS Memorial Highway."
Would you prefer that the highways and bridges get official name changes instead of just honorary ones like what's been happening in the NYC area?
In most of the cases in Oklahoma, the roads bearing these sort of signs don't have other names and are normally referred to by number. In other cases, the names apply to mundane overpasses and things of that nature that don't really need a unique name to begin with.
Since these names are applied by some combination of the state legislature or the Transportation Commission, they're effectively official name changes that are universally ignored by the traveling public.
Example 1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4548352,-97.4411462,3a,55.5y,303.3h,92.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spn35-WUCO3LsT7K7ZZr3yg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) on I-40 in Del City
Example 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.445465,-97.4241426,3a,79.5y,124.78h,83.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7fNr5ez1fA3ySc0zIs7Fkg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) two overpasses east of the previous one; of note is that this particular sign was the first Clearview sign in Oklahoma
Example 3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0980419,-97.425881,3a,48.6y,154.58h,90.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siOE9PQ2COV2Nv8IqKsZo0g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) on some random stretch of I-35 between Goldsby and Purcell
May not have been a MUTCD regulation, but a lot of Arkansas warning signs once had a message on the back
"Walk on Left Facing Traffic"
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 07, 2019, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Quote from: o on December 07, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
IIRC, the "Slow Children at Play" sign was in the MUTCD but was removed years ago. Hasn't stopped many municipalities from putting them up though...
Some parents probably complained and misinterpreted it as an insult towards their own special, unique little shit machine.
I once knew a special ed teacher that wanted one for her classroom
Well, you are associated with a state DOT. You should get one made for her as some sort of good gesture.
Tax dollars at work...
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 07, 2019, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Quote from: o on December 07, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
IIRC, the "Slow Children at Play" sign was in the MUTCD but was removed years ago. Hasn't stopped many municipalities from putting them up though...
Some parents probably complained and misinterpreted it as an insult towards their own special, unique little shit machine.
I once knew a special ed teacher that wanted one for her classroom
Well, you are associated with a state DOT. You should get one made for her as some sort of good gesture.
It's not that easy. Trust me.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on December 07, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
IIRC, the "Slow Children at Play" sign was in the MUTCD but was removed years ago. Hasn't stopped many municipalities from putting them up though...
"Slow Children At Play" (and variations) has never been included in the MUTCD.
There was a sign in NJ (thank you steve a) reading "Go children slow". How slow is "children slow".
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on December 09, 2019, 03:15:40 PM
There was a sign in NJ (thank you steve a) reading "Go children slow". How slow is "children slow".
I remember signs like this in Massachusetts. Because 'Go' and 'Slow' were smaller than 'Children', I suspect the original designer presumed that drivers would automatically read 'Children' first.
Reminds me of an old Bob and Ray routine, where someone writes to their word expert:
Gentlemen. There's a highway sign near my house that reads 'Slow Pedestrians Crossing.' However, whenever I pass by the sign, there are rarely any pedestrians at all, and those that do cross can hardly be described as slow. I'm miffed at the highway department for promising me an easy crack at slow pedestrians and then failing to follow through.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 09, 2019, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 07, 2019, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Quote from: o on December 07, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
IIRC, the "Slow Children at Play" sign was in the MUTCD but was removed years ago. Hasn't stopped many municipalities from putting them up though...
Some parents probably complained and misinterpreted it as an insult towards their own special, unique little shit machine.
I once knew a special ed teacher that wanted one for her classroom
Well, you are associated with a state DOT. You should get one made for her as some sort of good gesture.
It's not that easy. Trust me.
Those of you that are with a state DOT, how do you not collect more signage than you do currently? You guys are in a gold mine!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8114/28609476124_17e6565c43_z_d.jpg)
Checotah, OK
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4014/4225972897_40d489167a_z_d.jpg)
Williamsville, IL
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 09, 2019, 09:26:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 09, 2019, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 07, 2019, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Quote from: o on December 07, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
IIRC, the "Slow Children at Play" sign was in the MUTCD but was removed years ago. Hasn't stopped many municipalities from putting them up though...
Some parents probably complained and misinterpreted it as an insult towards their own special, unique little shit machine.
I once knew a special ed teacher that wanted one for her classroom
Well, you are associated with a state DOT. You should get one made for her as some sort of good gesture.
It's not that easy. Trust me.
Those of you that are with a state DOT, how do you not collect more signage than you do currently? You guys are in a gold mine!
For the same reason that state DOT employees cannot buy surplus equipment from the agency. If discovered, it could easily be perceived as 'insider dealing' by the public and the media, and the employee likely could face sanctions up to and including termination.
Quote from: roadman on December 10, 2019, 10:18:09 AM
For the same reason that state DOT employees cannot buy surplus equipment from the agency. If discovered, it could easily be perceived as 'insider dealing' by the public and the media, and the employee likely could face sanctions up to and including termination.
Can a friend buy it for you, or is that bending the rules?
Are the original text-only WALK/DONT WALK signs used at crosswalks part of the MUTCD? They've almost completely disappeared from most crosswalks in the mid-Atlantic states.
Quote from: TheOneKEA on December 11, 2019, 08:22:56 PM
Are the original text-only WALK/DONT WALK signs used at crosswalks part of the MUTCD? They've almost completely disappeared from most crosswalks in the mid-Atlantic states.
First disallowed in 2000 i think. but existing ones can stay in place
Quote from: US71 on December 10, 2019, 10:48:57 AM
Quote from: roadman on December 10, 2019, 10:18:09 AM
For the same reason that state DOT employees cannot buy surplus equipment from the agency. If discovered, it could easily be perceived as 'insider dealing' by the public and the media, and the employee likely could face sanctions up to and including termination.
Can a friend buy it for you, or is that bending the rules?
They probably could, but not all agencies sell old signs. Mine tends to re-sheet the signs if possible (i.e.; they aren't bent up or shot full of bullet holes). If not, they sell the metal as scrap.
There are some pretty strict rules on surplus/discarded equipment. I know of no rule that would prohibit a KYTC employee from buying surplus equipment at a public auction conducted by either sealed bit or open, competitive bidding, but there are rules about even taking home something that's been thrown in the garbage.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 12, 2019, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: US71 on December 10, 2019, 10:48:57 AM
Quote from: roadman on December 10, 2019, 10:18:09 AM
For the same reason that state DOT employees cannot buy surplus equipment from the agency. If discovered, it could easily be perceived as 'insider dealing' by the public and the media, and the employee likely could face sanctions up to and including termination.
Can a friend buy it for you, or is that bending the rules?
They probably could, but not all agencies sell old signs. Mine tends to re-sheet the signs if possible (i.e.; they aren't bent up or shot full of bullet holes). If not, they sell the metal as scrap.
There are some pretty strict rules on surplus/discarded equipment. I know of no rule that would prohibit a KYTC employee from buying surplus equipment at a public auction conducted by either sealed bit or open, competitive bidding, but there are rules about even taking home something that's been thrown in the garbage.
There's a shop near Mammoth Spring, AR that has a lot of old MODOT signs. I picked up an steel Secondary sign a few years back. I found a place near Sarcoxie, MO that has a lot old LADOTD signs (and a few MODOT) and s#itloads of street signs.
Quote from: US71 on December 09, 2019, 07:35:37 AM
May not have been a MUTCD regulation, but a lot of Arkansas warning signs once had a message on the back
"Walk on Left Facing Traffic"
Probably not often used, but this is still a standard sign (sign code R9-1) in the most recent MUTCD for optional use in cases where there may be pedestrians but no sidewalks (see Section 2B.50 (https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009r1r2/part2/part2b.htm#section2B50)).
Quote from: roadfro on December 14, 2019, 08:00:26 PM
Quote from: US71 on December 09, 2019, 07:35:37 AM
May not have been a MUTCD regulation, but a lot of Arkansas warning signs once had a message on the back
"Walk on Left Facing Traffic"
Probably not often used, but this is still a standard sign (sign code R9-1) in the most recent MUTCD for optional use in cases where there may be pedestrians but no sidewalks (see Section 2B.50 (https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009r1r2/part2/part2b.htm#section2B50)).
Kentucky had that for years. The ones I'm aware of disappeared in the 1970s.
Quote from: US71 on December 09, 2019, 07:35:37 AM
May not have been a MUTCD regulation, but a lot of Arkansas warning signs once had a message on the back
"Walk on Left Facing Traffic"
Woodenville, Washington:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4908/45507087644_3e11d1b57c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ckiHHo)
Kind of overkill to have a pedestrian sign that's that large...
Quote from: hbelkins on December 15, 2019, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: roadfro on December 14, 2019, 08:00:26 PM
Quote from: US71 on December 09, 2019, 07:35:37 AM
May not have been a MUTCD regulation, but a lot of Arkansas warning signs once had a message on the back
"Walk on Left Facing Traffic"
Probably not often used, but this is still a standard sign (sign code R9-1) in the most recent MUTCD for optional use in cases where there may be pedestrians but no sidewalks (see Section 2B.50 (https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009r1r2/part2/part2b.htm#section2B50)).
Kentucky had that for years. The ones I'm aware of disappeared in the 1970s.
MoDOT did for a while
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4501/37633979686_7747b61f97_z_d.jpg)
There's one (to my knowledge) left in Arkansas on an old section of US 71
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3088/2662069159_a264632b52_d.jpg)
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on December 15, 2019, 07:54:38 PM
Quote from: US71 on December 09, 2019, 07:35:37 AM
May not have been a MUTCD regulation, but a lot of Arkansas warning signs once had a message on the back
"Walk on Left Facing Traffic"
Woodenville, Washington:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4908/45507087644_3e11d1b57c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ckiHHo)
If I were a driver there, what should I care about a sign warning me that pedestrians use the other side of the road?