I'm curious if anyone has put together a full list of states that use "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs, whether consistently or just in random one-off instances.
I know California and Washington use them consistently, and I believe most other western states use them at least sometimes. I've seen random examples in other states (e.g. Michigan (https://goo.gl/maps/YUCzUenjGdvLTpP49)), and didn't one recently turn up in Connecticut of all places?
Can we try and put together a list of everywhere these are used?
You may find some additional states or districts that use them in the already existing, five year old thread here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16911.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16911.0)
Cross New York off the list. I wish we used them, but nope.
Southern Illinois uses them regularly, but not always. IDOT D9. I want to say I have seen them in other parts of the state, also
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 16, 2020, 11:42:39 AM
Southern Illinois uses them
Where? I don't remember that.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 16, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
I'm curious if anyone has put together a full list of states that use "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs, whether consistently or just in random one-off instances.
I know California and Washington use them consistently, and I believe most other western states use them at least sometimes. I've seen random examples in other states (e.g. Michigan (https://goo.gl/maps/YUCzUenjGdvLTpP49)), and didn't one recently turn up in Connecticut of all places?
Can we try and put together a list of everywhere these are used?
Where in Michigan? I've never seen one and I travel all over the state.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200616/03015a60db04c9cc2a0e99be9f2c8a48.jpg)
Indiana is my second most frequently visited state after Michigan and I don't recall any of them there either.
I've never seen that sort of sign in Virginia, except that Transurban uses similar signage at the slip ramps on I-95 and I-395 from the general-purpose lanes to the HO/T lanes (example: https://goo.gl/maps/3wLFKk5VndGHLmkE8 ).
In general, people here do not use the term "freeway," so signs saying "Freeway Entrance" would be strange.
They're common in West Virginia, I haven't seen them anywhere else in the east.
ninja edit: I have seen one for the I-277 loop in Charlotte.
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 16, 2020, 12:16:10 PM
I've never seen that sort of sign in Virginia, except that Transurban uses similar signage at the slip ramps on I-95 and I-395 from the general-purpose lanes to the HO/T lanes (example: https://goo.gl/maps/3wLFKk5VndGHLmkE8 ).
In general, people here do not use the term "freeway," so signs saying "Freeway Entrance" would be strange.
MDTA did the same thing with the I-95 express lanes northeast of Baltimore, both on overheads (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3898031,-76.4378992,3a,43.4y,226.16h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNTLGVdRIeZR8TlY_aMw-BQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) and gore signage (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3791543,-76.449521,3a,43.1y,119.4h,87.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s46HSYJ3Vt9IY_dVk1naO1Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
Otherwise, MD does not contribute to the "Freeway Entrance" party.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on June 16, 2020, 11:09:48 AM
You may find some additional states or districts that use them in the already existing, five year old thread here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16911.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16911.0)
Damn, I searched before creating this thread but that one didn't come up at all!
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Quote from: Flint1979 on June 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM
Where in Michigan? I've never seen one and I travel all over the state.
You quoted a link I provided to one in Port Huron:
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 16, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
(e.g. Michigan (https://goo.gl/maps/YUCzUenjGdvLTpP49))
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Quote from: csw on June 16, 2020, 01:13:01 PM
ninja edit: I have seen one for the I-277 loop in Charlotte.
Which interchange?
Consulting the other thread, it looks like we're at:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
The Freeway Entrance signs on I-395 in Massachusetts were a one-off and will not be repeated elsewhere in the state.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on June 16, 2020, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 16, 2020, 12:16:10 PM
I've never seen that sort of sign in Virginia, except that Transurban uses similar signage at the slip ramps on I-95 and I-395 from the general-purpose lanes to the HO/T lanes (example: https://goo.gl/maps/3wLFKk5VndGHLmkE8 ).
In general, people here do not use the term "freeway," so signs saying "Freeway Entrance" would be strange.
MDTA did the same thing with the I-95 express lanes northeast of Baltimore, both on overheads (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3898031,-76.4378992,3a,43.4y,226.16h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNTLGVdRIeZR8TlY_aMw-BQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) and gore signage (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3791543,-76.449521,3a,43.1y,119.4h,87.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s46HSYJ3Vt9IY_dVk1naO1Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
Otherwise, MD does not contribute to the "Freeway Entrance" party.
Those signs strike me as more conventional than the Virginia example I noted because the Maryland signs have more standard arrows, whereas the Virginia one has that decidedly abnormal (for this part of the country) downward-pointing arrow that you see in pictures of California's strange signage.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 16, 2020, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: csw on June 16, 2020, 01:13:01 PM
ninja edit: I have seen one for the I-277 loop in Charlotte.
Which interchange?
https://goo.gl/maps/Wr78F8URze19KHKm9
Quote from: kphoger on June 16, 2020, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 16, 2020, 11:42:39 AM
Southern Illinois uses them
Where? I don't remember that.
Hmmm.. I found one
on I-57 at Tuscola (https://goo.gl/maps/i6eQ2tZT5WJ4oG2W8). Are these recent in Illinois? GSV from 2012 shows no such sign there, and I don't remember there being one there back when I hitchhiked from that exit in 2006.
Quote from: csw on June 16, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 16, 2020, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: csw on June 16, 2020, 01:13:01 PM
ninja edit: I have seen one for the I-277 loop in Charlotte.
Which interchange?
https://goo.gl/maps/Wr78F8URze19KHKm9
Wasn't there in 2009 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.223406,-80.8511265,3a,75y,280.65h,73.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6Y3cIHhsBcLndhVrWks7Yg!2e0!5s20090601T000000!7i13312!8i6656).
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 16, 2020, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: csw on June 16, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 16, 2020, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: csw on June 16, 2020, 01:13:01 PM
ninja edit: I have seen one for the I-277 loop in Charlotte.
Which interchange?
https://goo.gl/maps/Wr78F8URze19KHKm9
Wasn't there in 2009 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.223406,-80.8511265,3a,75y,280.65h,73.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6Y3cIHhsBcLndhVrWks7Yg!2e0!5s20090601T000000!7i13312!8i6656).
Cool. Now it is.
Quote from: csw on June 16, 2020, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 16, 2020, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: csw on June 16, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 16, 2020, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: csw on June 16, 2020, 01:13:01 PM
ninja edit: I have seen one for the I-277 loop in Charlotte.
Which interchange?
https://goo.gl/maps/Wr78F8URze19KHKm9
Wasn't there in 2009 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.223406,-80.8511265,3a,75y,280.65h,73.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6Y3cIHhsBcLndhVrWks7Yg!2e0!5s20090601T000000!7i13312!8i6656).
Cool. Now it is.
I know, I'm saying it was put up recently.
Quote from: webny99 on June 16, 2020, 11:37:22 AM
Cross New York off the list. I wish we used them, but nope.
NY recently required them where entrance & exit ramps are adjacent as part of their wrong-way driving countermeasures at exit ramp termini (https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/TSMI%2019-03%20-%20Wrong%20Way_0.pdf).
Here's an example (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2439759,-73.6890496,3a,71.2y,212.55h,80.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQXL4_BaeGDVigbj8vwfwEg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) on an entrance to the Saw Mill in Bedford.
Quote from: kphoger on June 16, 2020, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 16, 2020, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 16, 2020, 11:42:39 AM
Southern Illinois uses them
Where? I don't remember that.
Hmmm.. I found one on I-57 at Tuscola (https://goo.gl/maps/i6eQ2tZT5WJ4oG2W8). Are these recent in Illinois? GSV from 2012 shows no such sign there, and I don't remember there being one there back when I hitchhiked from that exit in 2006.
Here's one in central Illinois: https://goo.gl/maps/MZLwQvrkR4zVEfZr9
I
thought I remembered one there, since I've been to that Thornton's/Pilot several times.
That Port Huron example has to be the only example in Michigan ever. because I certainly haven't seen any freeway entrance signs anywhere in the state and quite frankly I don't get to Port Huron that often so I must have missed this one. Must be a one time thing MDOT did.
I love California's freeway entrance signage, because it's the only place in the state where I can reliably find cutout route markers. California is so hit-or-miss when signing its junctions, but the freeway on-ramps seem consistent.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49492996273_51b140e181_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ipwxtX)
CA-052G (https://flic.kr/p/2ipwxtX) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
For all the American influence I see across BC, "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs are not one of those things.
That said, they do exist, but are very rare. Here is a pair of black-on-white examples (https://goo.gl/maps/hAg4KnLFcWGzMJeE9); the one on the left (in sort-of-correct FHWA typeface (should be Clearview)) is actually brand-new, after the original fell off sometime in 2019. The one on the right has the original font, which I have a photo of somewhere.
The closest thing here is probably the Garden State Parkway entrance signs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0961162,-74.144866,3a,75y,27.7h,94.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAfiKY7bAGhKVjKMaNlgraA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0961162,-74.144866,3a,75y,27.7h,94.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAfiKY7bAGhKVjKMaNlgraA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8630718,-74.2173916,3a,75y,318.06h,90.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjJ6i1NU0gVL5KQH2gv17PQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8630718,-74.2173916,3a,75y,318.06h,90.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjJ6i1NU0gVL5KQH2gv17PQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on June 16, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 16, 2020, 11:37:22 AM
Cross New York off the list. I wish we used them, but nope.
NY recently required them where entrance & exit ramps are adjacent as part of their wrong-way driving countermeasures at exit ramp termini (https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/TSMI%2019-03%20-%20Wrong%20Way_0.pdf).
Here's an example (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2439759,-73.6890496,3a,71.2y,212.55h,80.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQXL4_BaeGDVigbj8vwfwEg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) on an entrance to the Saw Mill in Bedford.
Interesting. I don't think I've seen any of those around here yet. We do have plenty of "Pedestrians Bicycles and Horses Prohibited" signs at freeway entrances, but I don't think that's in the vein of what the OP is looking for.
Quote from: kphoger on June 16, 2020, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 16, 2020, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 16, 2020, 11:42:39 AM
Southern Illinois uses them
Where? I don't remember that.
Hmmm.. I found one on I-57 at Tuscola (https://goo.gl/maps/i6eQ2tZT5WJ4oG2W8). Are these recent in Illinois? GSV from 2012 shows no such sign there, and I don't remember there being one there back when I hitchhiked from that exit in 2006.
Photographed in 2010 on US 54 at I-72/US 36 near Pittsfield, IL:
(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/blog_images/midwest/us-054_eb_at_i-072_eb.jpg)
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 16, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
Consulting the other thread, it looks like we're at:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
Add Utah to the list. An example from the Knolls interchange along I-80:
(https://www.aaroads.com/ut/080/old-hwy-40-w-at-i-080-5.jpg)
I can confirm one Texas example:
FM 523 at SH 288:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1973845,-95.4491835,3a,27.9y,41.65h,82.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9MhKuhcu6MoVgdhPWI0oQA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: roadman on June 16, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
The Freeway Entrance signs on I-395 in Massachusetts were a one-off and will not be repeated elsewhere in the state.
Where were these at? I was unaware MassDOT ever posted any.
Quote from: csw on June 16, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/Wr78F8URze19KHKm9
Great, thanks! Can add North Carolina to the list.
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on June 16, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
NY recently required them where entrance & exit ramps are adjacent as part of their wrong-way driving countermeasures at exit ramp termini (https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/TSMI%2019-03%20-%20Wrong%20Way_0.pdf).
Here's an example (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2439759,-73.6890496,3a,71.2y,212.55h,80.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQXL4_BaeGDVigbj8vwfwEg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) on an entrance to the Saw Mill in Bedford.
See this is really interesting to me because it's a variant on the 'standard' design, including a downward arrow and changing the text to 'PARKWAY'. I guess we should expect to see more of these popping up in NY in the future.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 16, 2020, 09:36:21 PM
For all the American influence I see across BC, "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs are not one of those things.
That said, they do exist, but are very rare. Here is a pair of black-on-white examples (https://goo.gl/maps/hAg4KnLFcWGzMJeE9); the one on the left (in sort-of-correct FHWA typeface (should be Clearview)) is actually brand-new, after the original fell off sometime in 2019. The one on the right has the original font, which I have a photo of somewhere.
Neat, that's the first black and white example I've seen. That font on the original one is absolutely hideous though. Looks more like something I'd expect out of Rhode Island.
List is now up to:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
- North Carolina
- Utah
- Texas
- British Columbia (black/white)
- New York
Definitely some surprises on here.
I have never seen one in Ohio, but Ohio is starting to use the down-arrow signs at freeway entrances, which is something I first saw in California.
Here are examples on OH-126 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.223674,-84.5872701,3a,75y,68.89h,114.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sImQAjxVqlI2e5ZmPUMYfpg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and US-20 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3711418,-83.1171385,3a,15y,254.84h,85.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjVrQgFeQbv6ymSwzksyJjA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) from opposite ends of the state.
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 16, 2020, 12:08:30 PM
Indiana is my second most frequently visited state after Michigan and I don't recall any of them there either.
Indiana does have one, and I'm pretty sure it is only this one, in Bloomington of all places. Here at the on-ramp onto I-69 off of Walnut Street. Definently one of those one-off situations. https://goo.gl/maps/gkvwpq2TMhKyX15H8
Quote from: kphoger on June 16, 2020, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 16, 2020, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 16, 2020, 11:42:39 AM
Southern Illinois uses them
Where? I don't remember that.
Hmmm.. I found one on I-57 at Tuscola (https://goo.gl/maps/i6eQ2tZT5WJ4oG2W8). Are these recent in Illinois? GSV from 2012 shows no such sign there, and I don't remember there being one there back when I hitchhiked from that exit in 2006.
I know I-57 at Marion Main St/Old IL 13 entrance ramps have them. I think I have seen them elsewhere along I-57 and I-24 also, but I will check more interchanges on GSV after work tonight
I-57 at US 51/IL 3 in Cairo has the Freeway signage, too
Both of these interchanges are Folded Diamonds. I wonder if IDOT has a pattern with Folded Diamonds and Freeway Entrance signage?
The one stridentweasel found off I-55 in Lincoln is also a Folded Diamond
The Tuscola I-57 ramps are also a Folded Diamond
I am noticing a pattern
IL 17 @ I-57 in Kankakee has the Freeway Entrance signage also, another Folded Diamond
ISTHA does not follow suit. The Orchard Rd and Peace Rd Folded Diamonds on I-88 do not use Freeway Entrance, nor Tollway Entrance signage
I am glad to see more and more states adopting this. As a native Californian, these things are basic and normal to me, and I believe in an old post on the other thread I had to explain the value of these signs to people in other states. But it sounds like the authorities in many other states are recognizing their value. NYSDOT, in particular, on the attachment, denotes the safety benefit to avoid wrong way driving on ramps, particularly where on ramps and off ramps are close together.
Well done. Hopefully even more states will adopt this sensible practice.
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 17, 2020, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 16, 2020, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 16, 2020, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 16, 2020, 11:42:39 AM
Southern Illinois uses them
Where? I don't remember that.
Hmmm.. I found one on I-57 at Tuscola (https://goo.gl/maps/i6eQ2tZT5WJ4oG2W8). Are these recent in Illinois? GSV from 2012 shows no such sign there, and I don't remember there being one there back when I hitchhiked from that exit in 2006.
I know I-57 at Marion Main St/Old IL 13 entrance ramps have them. I think I have seen them elsewhere along I-57 and I-24 also, but I will check more interchanges on GSV after work tonight
I-57 at US 51/IL 3 in Cairo has the Freeway signage, too
Both of these interchanges are Folded Diamonds. I wonder if IDOT has a pattern with Folded Diamonds and Freeway Entrance signage?
The one stridentweasel found off I-55 in Lincoln is also a Folded Diamond
The Tuscola I-57 ramps are also a Folded Diamond
I am noticing a pattern
IL 17 @ I-57 in Kankakee has the Freeway Entrance signage also, another Folded Diamond
ISTHA does not follow suit. The Orchard Rd and Peace Rd Folded Diamonds on I-88 do not use Freeway Entrance, nor Tollway Entrance signage
I'm guessing Illinois puts these signs up on projects designed by design firm offices located in California :bigass:
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 17, 2020, 11:34:17 AM
I am noticing a pattern
You're definitely on to something there. All of the Illinois examples posted so far have been added within the last twelve years, and all are at folded diamonds or parclos with two-way traffic on the ramps.
A rare one-off in CT at I-95 Exit 74 is depicted on Page 159. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1898.3950)
Quote from: CoreySamson on June 17, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
I can confirm one Texas example:
FM 523 at SH 288:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1973845,-95.4491835,3a,27.9y,41.65h,82.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9MhKuhcu6MoVgdhPWI0oQA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise that the two states with Clearview "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs would be Texas and Michigan. I suppose if PA used the sign, they'd use Clearview too.
Quote from: kphoger on June 17, 2020, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 17, 2020, 11:34:17 AM
I am noticing a pattern
You're definitely on to something there. All of the Illinois examples posted so far have been added within the last twelve years, and all are at folded diamonds or parclos with two-way traffic on the ramps.
More IL/IDOT Folded Diamond examples
I-39 @ IL 72 Monroe Center, IL
I-39 @ Perry Rd Steward, IL
I-39 @ US 24 El Paso, IL
I-55 @ BUS US 51/N Main St Normal, IL
Quote from: kphoger on June 17, 2020, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 17, 2020, 11:34:17 AM
I am noticing a pattern
You're definitely on to something there. All of the Illinois examples posted so far have been added within the last twelve years, and all are at folded diamonds or parclos with two-way traffic on the ramps.
New York and Ohio are both starting to install some variation of freeway entrance signs at these type of locations, too. It's probably largely aimed at the prevention of wrong-way driving.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 09:09:16 AM
Quote from: roadman on June 16, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
The Freeway Entrance signs on I-395 in Massachusetts were a one-off and will not be repeated elsewhere in the state.
Where were these at? I was unaware MassDOT ever posted any..
Sutton Ave in Oxford (current exit 4).
Quote from: Ben114 on June 17, 2020, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 09:09:16 AM
Quote from: roadman on June 16, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
The Freeway Entrance signs on I-395 in Massachusetts were a one-off and will not be repeated elsewhere in the state.
Where were these at? I was unaware MassDOT ever posted any..
Sutton Ave in Oxford (current exit 4).
https://goo.gl/maps/E9CGcmqtfCeukWq98
Holy oversized sign, Batman!
I'm disinclined to include these as an example though due to the weirdness of them. Sure they include the words "FREEWAY ENTRANCE", but they're a different size and style than the standard sign.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 17, 2020, 01:25:01 PM
A rare one-off in CT at I-95 Exit 74 is depicted on Page 159. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1898.3950)
Thanks, I knew I'd seen a post about one in CT!
List is now up to:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
- North Carolina
- Utah
- Texas
- British Columbia (black/white)
- New York
- Connecticut
- Indiana
- Massachusetts (oversized, essentially exit gore signs)
Kansas doesn't use a freeway entrance sign, but they do have a standard sign that is roughly
BUNCH OF STUFF THAT ISN'T ALLOWED THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO READ
BY PASSING THIS SIGN YOU AGREE TO SURRENDER YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL TO KDOT
DIAGRAMMATICS FOREVER, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE BIGGER THAN THE SIZE OF YOUR HOUSE
PARCELS CONTAINING ANYTHING LIQUID FRAGILE PERISHABLE OR POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS
PROHIBITED
that an astute driver will interpret as being a freeway entrance sign.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
Kansas doesn't use a freeway entrance sign, but they do have a standard sign that is roughly
BUNCH OF STUFF THAT ISN'T ALLOWED THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO READ
BY PASSING THIS SIGN YOU AGREE TO SURRENDER YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL TO KDOT
DIAGRAMMATICS FOREVER, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE BIGGER THAN THE SIZE OF YOUR HOUSE
PARCELS CONTAINING ANYTHING LIQUID FRAGILE PERISHABLE OR POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS
PROHIBITED
that an astute driver will interpret as being a freeway entrance sign.
Ours are sort of the reverse of that in that "PROHIBITED" appears at the top above a horizontal line, although not all entrance ramps have this sign (the other ramp to the left here doesn't have one, nor does the other ramp on the other side of Van Dorn Street back behind the camera's viewpoint in this image).
https://goo.gl/maps/JVkfYWgJSHJTjYg29
VDOT uses similar (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7609958,-76.3447369,3a,39.6y,230.6h,85.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdSBKIGhUZjvCkzR3usA-3Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) signage on its on ramps.
Other variations (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8419482,-76.2099819,3a,43.2y,65.65h,82.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNOzps2Kn04FMKYadKcgTOQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) exist as well that use "No" instead of "Prohibited", but it's all the same.
In some instances, they will post (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6727367,-78.3819755,3a,37.9y,280.58h,87.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqplZ646SKAlKNfGy-vekdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) the "Prohibited" signage at the start of limited-access bypasses, even with at-grade intersections as seen in the distance. At that intersection (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6729984,-78.3876139,3a,36y,260.98h,86.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBsiS2YKmbfJXpmE2A1IUuA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1), another sign reads "No" instead of "Prohibited", then glancing at old imagery it used to read "Prohibited". Likely case is that "No" is the new standard, but most old ones still read "Prohibited".
You know, from what I have been able to glance at from when I've passed by them, I think that may be actually be the exact wording used in Kansas. Or it could be closer to my version. Who knows?
NYSDOT Region 2 in Utica featured them on recent sign plans for NY Route 49, but they crossed off FREEWAY and hand wrote EXPRESSWAY on the plans.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2020, 05:21:13 PM
You know, from what I have been able to glance at from when I've passed by them, I think that may be actually be the exact wording used in Kansas. Or it could be closer to my version. Who knows?
I hope it's your version. At least yours is more of easter egg, not being any more readable from a car, but way funnier.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 17, 2020, 07:14:55 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2020, 05:21:13 PM
You know, from what I have been able to glance at from when I've passed by them, I think that may be actually be the exact wording used in Kansas. Or it could be closer to my version. Who knows?
I hope it's your version. At least yours is more of easter egg, not being any more readable from a car, but way funnier.
I was going to edit to add "WE ACTUALLY PAID SOMEONE ONCE TO MAKE SURE J.N. WINKLER DOESN'T FIND OUT TOO MUCH", but 1995hoo had already quoted my post. :P
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 17, 2020, 07:14:55 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2020, 05:21:13 PM
You know, from what I have been able to glance at from when I've passed by them, I think that may be actually be the exact wording used in Kansas. Or it could be closer to my version. Who knows?
I hope it's your version. At least yours is more of easter egg, not being any more readable from a car, but way funnier.
I was going to edit to add "WE ACTUALLY PAID SOMEONE ONCE TO MAKE SURE J.N. WINKLER DOESN'T FIND OUT TOO MUCH", but 1995hoo had already quoted my post. :P
Your post makes me think of that South Park episode making fun of software license agreements for which everyone hits "accept" without reading them:
https://youtu.be/sglZGSwK6ow
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
Kansas doesn't use a freeway entrance sign, but they do have a standard sign that is roughly
BUNCH OF STUFF THAT ISN'T ALLOWED THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO READ
BY PASSING THIS SIGN YOU AGREE TO SURRENDER YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL TO KDOT
DIAGRAMMATICS FOREVER, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE BIGGER THAN THE SIZE OF YOUR HOUSE
PARCELS CONTAINING ANYTHING LIQUID FRAGILE PERISHABLE OR POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS
PROHIBITED
that an astute driver will interpret as being a freeway entrance sign.
Here's a real life example (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0854281,-97.3466006,3a,28.7y,326.37h,81.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCnVyghV9GscTKAuP7-ePOg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en). Not bad. Almost to scale, even.
Not a freeway entrance sign, but to go along with the No / Prohibited tangent, here's one of my favorite "NO" signs with illegible at highway speed text:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
The top sign probably ends with "See attached sign for additional prohibitions".
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on June 17, 2020, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 09:09:16 AM
Quote from: roadman on June 16, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
The Freeway Entrance signs on I-395 in Massachusetts were a one-off and will not be repeated elsewhere in the state.
Where were these at? I was unaware MassDOT ever posted any..
Sutton Ave in Oxford (current exit 4).
https://goo.gl/maps/E9CGcmqtfCeukWq98
Holy oversized sign, Batman!
I'm disinclined to include these as an example though due to the weirdness of them. Sure they include the words "FREEWAY ENTRANCE", but they're a different size and style than the standard sign.
The standard Massachusetts version (https://goo.gl/maps/mkR9hC8bZqsNHam88) is less interesting.
Minnesota used to use them, then mostly stopped, though they seemed to make a small comeback in pockets outside the metro for a time a few years ago. There are probably still a handful around. Here's what one looked like, though I'm not certain it's still there in this form. Standard practice is this assembly without the green sign.
https://goo.gl/maps/Jx9Vi4x9fiLmtz1a6
There are some "Freeway Entrance" signs around Colorado now, where I'd guess they're to contrast nearby surface street options or clarify a less typical ramp setup. I wouldn't consider them a regular occurrence, though, and the ones I know of are in the Denver metro.
The ones that first come to mind are around Hwy 58 at Washington Ave in Golden; the one for the ramp vs 7th St signs (StreetView (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7601358,-105.2253601,3a,50y,60h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siEAmvsRqpcj5R2bb3mX98A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)) seems to have been the first at that interchange. There's also one at the Hwy 58 entrance from Easley Rd, here (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=39.7699491,-105.2005353&heading=-85&pitch=0&fov=40).
The other "Freeway Entrance" signs I remember are Youngfield St to EB I-70 (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=39.7647008,-105.1425002&heading=-97&pitch=0&fov=60) and Lower Colfax Ave to SB I-25 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7398062,-105.0157734,3a,65y,170h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_UfuS7KwsBXnGZp1nJvfLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
List is now up to:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
- North Carolina
- Utah
- Texas
- British Columbia (black/white)
- New York
- Connecticut
- Indiana
- Massachusetts (oversized, essentially exit gore signs)
Michigan might have a handful of them but they are not the norm in the state. A freeway entrance sign in Michigan is a black and white sign that says MOTOR VEHICLES ONLY.
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2020, 09:35:10 AM
Michigan might have a handful of them but they are not the norm in the state. A freeway entrance sign in Michigan is a black and white sign that says MOTOR VEHICLES ONLY.
I understand Michigan doesn't use them consistently. You've said that at least three times now. Plenty of other states on that list also don't use them consistently.
As I said in the OP, I'm interested in both states that use them consistently, and random one-off instances. For the purposes of this thread I'm not interested in the prohibition signs though. I just wanted to compile a list of states where the green freeway entrance signs have appeared at least once.
Quote from: Ben114 on June 17, 2020, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on June 17, 2020, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 09:09:16 AM
Quote from: roadman on June 16, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
The Freeway Entrance signs on I-395 in Massachusetts were a one-off and will not be repeated elsewhere in the state.
Where were these at? I was unaware MassDOT ever posted any..
Sutton Ave in Oxford (current exit 4).
https://goo.gl/maps/E9CGcmqtfCeukWq98
Holy oversized sign, Batman!
I'm disinclined to include these as an example though due to the weirdness of them. Sure they include the words "FREEWAY ENTRANCE", but they're a different size and style than the standard sign.
The standard Massachusetts version (https://goo.gl/maps/mkR9hC8bZqsNHam88) is less interesting.
This is actually quite good and you can see this at highway speed, better than the "prohibited" signs mentioned earlier.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 18, 2020, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2020, 09:35:10 AM
Michigan might have a handful of them but they are not the norm in the state. A freeway entrance sign in Michigan is a black and white sign that says MOTOR VEHICLES ONLY.
I understand Michigan doesn't use them consistently. You've said that at least three times now. Plenty of other states on that list also don't use them consistently.
As I said in the OP, I'm interested in both states that use them consistently, and random one-off instances. For the purposes of this thread I'm not interested in the prohibition signs though. I just wanted to compile a list of states where the green freeway entrance signs have appeared at least once.
A list like that will be good to have, but I wonder if you can keep track on your list of which states have them at nearly every entrance (CA,WA), states that have a frequent appearance of the sign statewide, states with frequent appearance in certain regions of the state, states with an occasional appearance, and states that have only one confirmed case. That way people can be clear that if someone found an isolated example, it is not representative of the state as a whole.
The prohibition signs are far more common than the green entrance signs. To the extent those are used in place of freeway entrance - great, but there are probably quite a few legal expressways that we would not consider freeways that provide for similar prohibitions because of high speed traffic.
Quote from: mrsman on June 18, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
This is actually quite good and you can see this at highway speed, better than the "prohibited" signs mentioned earlier.
Don't know why it would need to be seen at highway speed... the signs are prohibiting pedestrians, bicycles, and other motorized vehicles. Those are the users the signs are directed to, not vehicles.
Quote from: mrsman on June 18, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
The prohibition signs are far more common than the green entrance signs. To the extent those are used in place of freeway entrance - great, but there are probably quite a few legal expressways that we would not consider freeways that provide for similar prohibitions because of high speed traffic.
Like this one in NJ:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1983812,-74.7528755,3a,57.5y,9.83h,92t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skgykMrewzLKnRHKAkgvEag!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DkgykMrewzLKnRHKAkgvEag%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D119.61754%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1983812,-74.7528755,3a,57.5y,9.83h,92t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skgykMrewzLKnRHKAkgvEag!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DkgykMrewzLKnRHKAkgvEag%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D119.61754%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Even still has the "No horses" in there and specifically calls out what is not technically a freeway as such (although most people probably wouldn't know the difference here anyway)....
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 18, 2020, 06:48:16 PM
Quote from: mrsman on June 18, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
This is actually quite good and you can see this at highway speed, better than the "prohibited" signs mentioned earlier.
Don't know why it would need to be seen at highway speed... the signs are prohibiting pedestrians, bicycles, and other motorized vehicles. Those are the users the signs are directed to, not vehicles.
But you can only know that if you've already read the signs. How do drivers know the signs don't apply to them?
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 17, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Not a freeway entrance sign, but to go along with the No / Prohibited tangent, here's one of my favorite "NO" signs with illegible at highway speed text:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
The top sign probably ends with "See attached sign for additional prohibitions".
That's fucking insulting.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 18, 2020, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 17, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Not a freeway entrance sign, but to go along with the No / Prohibited tangent, here's one of my favorite "NO" signs with illegible at highway speed text:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
The top sign probably ends with "See attached sign for additional prohibitions".
That's fucking insulting.
However, it appears to pertain to the property adjacent to the road, not the road itself.
Quote from: webny99 on June 16, 2020, 11:37:22 AM
Cross New York off the list. I wish we used them, but nope.
Li Parkways use "Parkway Entrance" Signs
Arizona Uses Freeway Entrance Signs on I-8 In Yuma County and I-10 In La Paz County (Formally part of Yuma County Before 1983), do not know if used on I-40 in Mohave County.
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2020, 10:57:54 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 18, 2020, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 17, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Not a freeway entrance sign, but to go along with the No / Prohibited tangent, here's one of my favorite "NO" signs with illegible at highway speed text:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
The top sign probably ends with "See attached sign for additional prohibitions".
That's fucking insulting.
However, it appears to pertain to the property adjacent to the road, not the road itself.
It pertains to anywhere in Manchester Township. I think there's another identical "NO" sign on the other end of the township along Route 70 as well.
NYSDOT installed freeway entrance signs at Exit 3 on the Northway. Much larger than CA's signs.
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 17, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Not a freeway entrance sign, but to go along with the No / Prohibited tangent, here's one of my favorite "NO" signs with illegible at highway speed text:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
The top sign probably ends with "See attached sign for additional prohibitions".
Aaand we've found our summer reading material.
BC also has two white on green Freeway Entrance signs that I know of:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2837942,-123.0313954,3a,49.5y,25.77h,80.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZO-2tyY5kQ1eQPZIZ6_yqA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2805976,-123.0316306,3a,16.7y,237.16h,91.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjTkQpWB1VbxsE_bBX6s5cQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: bcroadguy on June 24, 2020, 10:14:18 PM
BC also has two white on green Freeway Entrance signs that I know of:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2837942,-123.0313954,3a,49.5y,25.77h,80.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZO-2tyY5kQ1eQPZIZ6_yqA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2805976,-123.0316306,3a,16.7y,237.16h,91.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjTkQpWB1VbxsE_bBX6s5cQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Dammit! I knew there were white on green FREEWAY ENTRANCE signs somewhere in Vancouver but couldn't recall where. I guess having it at the Cassiar makes sense, since it looks like a boulevard. And it sort of is, although only for about 300m between Hastings and Bridgeway.
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on June 16, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
NY recently required them where entrance & exit ramps are adjacent as part of their wrong-way driving countermeasures at exit ramp termini (https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/TSMI%2019-03%20-%20Wrong%20Way_0.pdf).
From what I recall reading ages ago, the Freeway Entrance sign was originally created at the same time as and as a counterpart to the Wrong Way sign. Both were created for precisely this application on entrance and exit ramps. I believe it was Caltrans that created both. It makes sense: The white-on-green Freeway Entrance sign is the same size and conveys the opposite meaning of the white-on-red Wrong Way sign.
Here's what a quick Google search turned up (see page 7):
http://www.ce.siue.edu/faculty/hzhou/ww/PREVENTION-OF-WRONGWAY-ACCIDENTS-ON-FREEWAYS.pdf
There's probably someone on here who can give a proper accounting of the history (or correct my telling).
Quote from: mcmc on June 28, 2020, 04:30:37 AM
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on June 16, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
NY recently required them where entrance & exit ramps are adjacent as part of their wrong-way driving countermeasures at exit ramp termini (https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/TSMI%2019-03%20-%20Wrong%20Way_0.pdf).
From what I recall reading ages ago, the Freeway Entrance sign was originally created at the same time as and as a counterpart to the Wrong Way sign. Both were created for precisely this application on entrance and exit ramps. I believe it was Caltrans that created both. It makes sense: The white-on-green Freeway Entrance sign is the same size and conveys the opposite meaning of the white-on-red Wrong Way sign.
Here's what a quick Google search turned up (see page 7):
http://www.ce.siue.edu/faculty/hzhou/ww/PREVENTION-OF-WRONGWAY-ACCIDENTS-ON-FREEWAYS.pdf
There's probably someone on here who can give a proper accounting of the history (or correct my telling).
That explanation makes sense as to why IDOT uses them on Folded Diamonds and RIROs. D1 seems to be the only IDOT District that doesn't utilize them at Folded Diamonds. I found examples across the rest of the state at Folded Diamonds and RIROs
I am a little surprised ISTHA hasn't made a "Tollway Entrance" variant for their Folded Diamonds and Trumpets
Quote from: mcmc on June 28, 2020, 04:30:37 AM
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on June 16, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
NY recently required them where entrance & exit ramps are adjacent as part of their wrong-way driving countermeasures at exit ramp termini (https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/TSMI%2019-03%20-%20Wrong%20Way_0.pdf).
From what I recall reading ages ago, the Freeway Entrance sign was originally created at the same time as and as a counterpart to the Wrong Way sign. Both were created for precisely this application on entrance and exit ramps. I believe it was Caltrans that created both. It makes sense: The white-on-green Freeway Entrance sign is the same size and conveys the opposite meaning of the white-on-red Wrong Way sign.
Here's what a quick Google search turned up (see page 7):
http://www.ce.siue.edu/faculty/hzhou/ww/PREVENTION-OF-WRONGWAY-ACCIDENTS-ON-FREEWAYS.pdf
There's probably someone on here who can give a proper accounting of the history (or correct my telling).
It seems you're onto something there. Page 7 reads that the FREEWAY ENTRANCE sign was added as a national standard in 1967. My grandparents, who've been driving in WA for longer than freeways have existed, do not recall ever
not seeing them. In the states that religiously use them, they appear to have been the standard for a long time.
The first northbound sign on I-82 in Washington. (https://goo.gl/maps/PL4eFv91PHQUAdcRA) I assume the "Freeway entrance" sign is meant for bicyclists leaving the bridge sidewalk and going onto the shoulder. One of the more unusual examples in the state.
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on September 06, 2020, 12:09:29 AM
The first northbound sign on I-82 in Washington. (https://goo.gl/maps/PL4eFv91PHQUAdcRA) I assume the "Freeway entrance" sign is meant for bicyclists leaving the bridge sidewalk and going onto the shoulder. One of the more unusual examples in the state.
I remember discussing that particular example on this forum before, but the consensus then was that it was a layover from when the northbound Umatilla Bridge was built in the early 80s. Although since replaced multiple times, from what I can tell.
Add Utah to the list - pretty common sight there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6678267,-111.9515004,3a,37.5y,311.87h,92.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spYLfMxxwqG1emq-rSW6rrQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on September 08, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
Add Utah to the list - pretty common sight there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6678267,-111.9515004,3a,37.5y,311.87h,92.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spYLfMxxwqG1emq-rSW6rrQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
I didn't think they were common in Utah, but I am seeing them a lot now. There still seems to be quite a lot of on-ramps without them, but it seems like they've become pretty ubiquitous with recent interchange upgrades.
Quote from: jakeroot on September 08, 2020, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on September 08, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
Add Utah to the list - pretty common sight there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6678267,-111.9515004,3a,37.5y,311.87h,92.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spYLfMxxwqG1emq-rSW6rrQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
I didn't think they were common in Utah, but I am seeing them a lot now. There still seems to be quite a lot of on-ramps without them, but it seems like they've become pretty ubiquitous with recent interchange upgrades.
You're right, they used to be quite rare - basically unheard of back in the 1980s. However, they seem to pretty much be standard now, aside from I-15 in SL County.
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on September 09, 2020, 12:49:56 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 08, 2020, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on September 08, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
Add Utah to the list - pretty common sight there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6678267,-111.9515004,3a,37.5y,311.87h,92.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spYLfMxxwqG1emq-rSW6rrQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
I didn't think they were common in Utah, but I am seeing them a lot now. There still seems to be quite a lot of on-ramps without them, but it seems like they've become pretty ubiquitous with recent interchange upgrades.
You're right, they used to be quite rare - basically unheard of back in the 1980s. However, they seem to pretty much be standard now, aside from I-15 in SL County.
Yeah, they're everywhere. Only reason you don't really see them on 15 in SLCo is because UDOT tends to not use them as often at SPUIs - which make up the vast majority of I-15's Salt Lake County interchanges.
There are even a few Parkway Entrance (https://goo.gl/maps/BPFNTn1344aq4DXVA) signs on the Southern Parkway (SR 7) near St George - but unfortunately this wasn't done for the Legacy Parkway north of Salt Lake, which just gets regular Freeway Entrance signs.
I saw it on a lot of interchanges along I-15 when I lived in Provo, Utah for six months in 2018.
Already had Utah on the list but that "PARKWAY ENTRANCE" sign is interesting, thanks for sharing!
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
List is now up to:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
- North Carolina
- Utah
- Texas
- British Columbia (black/white)
- New York
- Connecticut
- Indiana
- Massachusetts (oversized, essentially exit gore signs)
Quote from: US 89 on September 09, 2020, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on September 09, 2020, 12:49:56 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 08, 2020, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on September 08, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
Add Utah to the list - pretty common sight there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6678267,-111.9515004,3a,37.5y,311.87h,92.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spYLfMxxwqG1emq-rSW6rrQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
I didn't think they were common in Utah, but I am seeing them a lot now. There still seems to be quite a lot of on-ramps without them, but it seems like they've become pretty ubiquitous with recent interchange upgrades.
You're right, they used to be quite rare - basically unheard of back in the 1980s. However, they seem to pretty much be standard now, aside from I-15 in SL County.
Yeah, they're everywhere. Only reason you don't really see them on 15 in SLCo is because UDOT tends to not use them as often at SPUIs - which make up the vast majority of I-15's Salt Lake County interchanges.
There are even a few Parkway Entrance (https://goo.gl/maps/BPFNTn1344aq4DXVA) signs on the Southern Parkway (SR 7) near St George - but unfortunately this wasn't done for the Legacy Parkway north of Salt Lake, which just gets regular Freeway Entrance signs.
Parkway Entrance! That's a new one. :clap:
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on September 10, 2020, 12:31:45 PM
Parkway Entrance! That's a new one. :clap:
Not entirely.... https://goo.gl/maps/at18d28DGeKzSKay6
Quote from: stridentweasel on September 10, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on September 10, 2020, 12:31:45 PM
Parkway Entrance! That's a new one. :clap:
Not entirely.... https://goo.gl/maps/at18d28DGeKzSKay6
This post from the GS Pkwy seriously brings up the qn on whether NJ should be added to the above list. Many states on the list only have occasional "freeway entrance" signage, not every on-ramp like CA or WA. In that contrext, NJ does a good job of putting a shield right at the on-ramps to its toll roads that are effectively freeway entrance signage, even if they aren't similar in size or shape to the CA examples and even though they don't seem to do it for the non-toll freeways.
Here's an example at NJTP in Bordentown:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1212542,-74.7065048,3a,75y,14.08h,76.98t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPysDQZQUmCLRVgMZxOxekw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DPysDQZQUmCLRVgMZxOxekw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D262.96487%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
NJ should be added with a proviso that its only toll roads with unique signage.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
List is now up to:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
- North Carolina
- Utah
- Texas
- British Columbia (black/white)
- New York
- Connecticut
- Indiana
- Massachusetts (oversized, essentially exit gore signs)
The list might be more interesting if it were subdivided into states that are consistent versus inconsistent in implementing Freeway Entrance signs.
Another interesting list subdivision would be states that use just the standard sign (e.g. Utah), versus states using a Freeway Entrance sign package (sign plus route shield & downward arrow, e.g. California & Nevada), versus states with some BGS or other variant (e.g Massachusetts).
Quote from: roadfro on September 11, 2020, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
List is now up to:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
- North Carolina
- Utah
- Texas
- British Columbia (black/white)
- New York
- Connecticut
- Indiana
- Massachusetts (oversized, essentially exit gore signs)
The list might be more interesting if it were subdivided into states that are consistent versus inconsistent in implementing Freeway Entrance signs.
Another interesting list subdivision would be states that use just the standard sign (e.g. Utah), versus states using a Freeway Entrance sign package (sign plus route shield & downward arrow, e.g. California & Nevada), versus states with some BGS or other variant (e.g Massachusetts).
Hard to believe Minnesota hasn't been mentioned. With me having often been to that state, that was the state that came to mind right away for me when I saw the thread title.
Quote from: stridentweasel on September 10, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on September 10, 2020, 12:31:45 PM
Parkway Entrance! That's a new one. :clap:
Not entirely.... https://goo.gl/maps/at18d28DGeKzSKay6
Don't forget CA 110:
https://goo.gl/maps/cuKZBuHeX5va5GMr6
Quote from: KCRoadFan on September 11, 2020, 08:20:18 PM
Quote from: roadfro on September 11, 2020, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
List is now up to:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
- North Carolina
- Utah
- Texas
- British Columbia (black/white)
- New York
- Connecticut
- Indiana
- Massachusetts (oversized, essentially exit gore signs)
The list might be more interesting if it were subdivided into states that are consistent versus inconsistent in implementing Freeway Entrance signs.
Another interesting list subdivision would be states that use just the standard sign (e.g. Utah), versus states using a Freeway Entrance sign package (sign plus route shield & downward arrow, e.g. California & Nevada), versus states with some BGS or other variant (e.g Massachusetts).
Hard to believe Minnesota hasn't been mentioned. With me having often been to that state, that was the state that came to mind right away for me when I saw the thread title.
How frequent are the signs there? Do you have an example that you can post?
For many states on the above list, the signage is not consistent and it's a bit of a surprise to find one.
Quote from: stridentweasel on September 10, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on September 10, 2020, 12:31:45 PM
Parkway Entrance! That's a new one. :clap:
Not entirely.... https://goo.gl/maps/at18d28DGeKzSKay6
OK, technically you're right. But that's not what I meant - I was referring to the format/template/use of that sign. The entrance ramp signs to the GSP and NJ Turnpike are specific to those tollways. As opposed to the "Freeway Entrance" signs which are spec.
Quote from: roadfro on September 11, 2020, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
List is now up to:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
- North Carolina
- Utah
- Texas
- British Columbia (black/white)
- New York
- Connecticut
- Indiana
- Massachusetts (oversized, essentially exit gore signs)
The list might be more interesting if it were subdivided into states that are consistent versus inconsistent in implementing Freeway Entrance signs.
Another interesting list subdivision would be states that use just the standard sign (e.g. Utah), versus states using a Freeway Entrance sign package (sign plus route shield & downward arrow, e.g. California & Nevada), versus states with some BGS or other variant (e.g Massachusetts).
Let's see...
Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:
- Utah (freeway/parkway)
- Washington
- Montana
Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
- California (freeway/parkway)
- Nevada
Uses custom equivalent signs:
- New Jersey (parkway entrance)
Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
- Michigan
- Colorado (with shields)
- Illinois (with downward arrows)
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- New York (freeway/parkway)
- West Virginia
- North Carolina (with shields)
- Texas
- Connecticut (with shields)
- British Columbia
Other weird one-offs:
- Massachusetts (BGS)
- Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)
Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
Quote from: KCRoadFan on September 11, 2020, 08:20:18 PM
Hard to believe Minnesota hasn't been mentioned. With me having often been to that state, that was the state that came to mind right away for me when I saw the thread title.
Minnesota has been mentioned multiple times but no one has yet provided an example and I haven't found one anywhere. I'll add it to the list if you have a picture of streetview link of one.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 17, 2020, 10:54:47 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on September 11, 2020, 08:20:18 PM
Hard to believe Minnesota hasn't been mentioned. With me having often been to that state, that was the state that came to mind right away for me when I saw the thread title.
Minnesota has been mentioned multiple times but no one has yet provided an example and I haven't found one anywhere. I'll add it to the list if you have a picture of streetview link of one.
It isn't consistent by any stretch of the imagination. But check out I-35W.
Example (https://goo.gl/maps/CZ5nKCsF6Ch2KuJf6)
Example (https://goo.gl/maps/Hg6WdDMZc51eDw9e8)
Example (https://goo.gl/maps/R5dFCndRtMp8Eg5N9)
Example (https://goo.gl/maps/RFNbLSnjRwGTGPKbA)
Example (https://goo.gl/maps/hT9wY1ozikMqTXPt9)
Example (https://goo.gl/maps/HeVYbENSQQ7K6PnK9)
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 17, 2020, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: roadfro on September 11, 2020, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
List is now up to:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
- North Carolina
- Utah
- Texas
- British Columbia (black/white)
- New York
- Connecticut
- Indiana
- Massachusetts (oversized, essentially exit gore signs)
The list might be more interesting if it were subdivided into states that are consistent versus inconsistent in implementing Freeway Entrance signs.
Another interesting list subdivision would be states that use just the standard sign (e.g. Utah), versus states using a Freeway Entrance sign package (sign plus route shield & downward arrow, e.g. California & Nevada), versus states with some BGS or other variant (e.g Massachusetts).
Let's see...
Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:
- Utah (freeway/parkway)
- Washington
- Montana
Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
- California (freeway/parkway)
- Nevada
Uses custom equivalent signs:
- New Jersey (parkway entrance)
Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
- Michigan
- Colorado (with shields)
- Illinois (with downward arrows)
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- New York (freeway/parkway)
- West Virginia
- North Carolina (with shields)
- Texas
- Connecticut (with shields)
- British Columbia
Other weird one-offs:
- Massachusetts (BGS)
- Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)
Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
Wisconsin has not been placed on the second list.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 17, 2020, 10:53:03 AM
Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:
- Utah (freeway/parkway)
- Washington
- Montana
Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
- California (freeway/parkway)
- Nevada
Uses custom equivalent signs:
- New Jersey (parkway entrance)
Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
- Michigan
- Colorado (with shields)
- Illinois (with downward arrows)
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- New York (freeway/parkway)
- West Virginia
- North Carolina (with shields)
- Texas
- Connecticut (with shields)
- British Columbia
- Wisconsin
- Minnesota
Other weird one-offs:
- Massachusetts (BGS)
- Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)
Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
Updated to add Minnesota and Wisconsin, both under the "at least one, but not consistent" category. Thanks!
I'm still not sure how I feel about Utah being in that first category. Many new interchanges have them, but there's also still a lot that don't. US89 mentioned how many of the new-ish SPUIs along I-15 in SLC do not have them at all.
I guess maybe it needs its own category. Something like "increasing consistency". Illinois and maybe Minnesota could be in this category too.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 17, 2020, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: roadfro on September 11, 2020, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
List is now up to:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
- North Carolina
- Utah
- Texas
- British Columbia (black/white)
- New York
- Connecticut
- Indiana
- Massachusetts (oversized, essentially exit gore signs)
The list might be more interesting if it were subdivided into states that are consistent versus inconsistent in implementing Freeway Entrance signs.
Another interesting list subdivision would be states that use just the standard sign (e.g. Utah), versus states using a Freeway Entrance sign package (sign plus route shield & downward arrow, e.g. California & Nevada), versus states with some BGS or other variant (e.g Massachusetts).
Let's see...
Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:
- Utah (freeway/parkway)
- Washington
- Montana
Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
- California (freeway/parkway)
- Nevada
Uses custom equivalent signs:
- New Jersey (parkway entrance)
Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
- Michigan
- Colorado (with shields)
- Illinois (with downward arrows)
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- New York (freeway/parkway)
- West Virginia
- North Carolina (with shields)
- Texas
- Connecticut (with shields)
- British Columbia
Other weird one-offs:
- Massachusetts (BGS)
- Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)
Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
West Virginia posts quite frequently, not just once or twice.
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 17, 2020, 06:59:38 PM
West Virginia posts quite frequently, not just once or twice.
Along with Utah, Illinois, and maybe Minnesota, could West Virginia then be included in an "increasing frequency" tab? I don't know how often they've been used in the past.
sample:
Increasing frequency:
- Utah
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Minnesota(?)
There should be something between "consistently" and "at least one example".
3 things I am noticing in Illinois with the downstate signs is...
1) Usually at the entrance to folded diamonds like this at Route 1 onto I-64.
2) They are only facing the direction where the driver needs to make a left turn onto the ramp.
3) Huge ass sign.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.2355144,-88.0011521,3a,75y,0.28h,77.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBX_N4xhr92tj3EGL9Sh3UQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 17, 2020, 06:59:38 PM
West Virginia posts quite frequently, not just once or twice.
Most of the states in the "at least one" category have more than just one or two. That's why it's "at least one" and not "only one or two".
I suppose I could split that category as Jake suggested. Any others to move to the "frequent but not consistent" category?
Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
- California (freeway/parkway)
- Nevada
Uses custom equivalent signs:
- New Jersey (parkway entrance)
Uses freeway entrance signs frequently but not consistently:
- Utah (freeway/parkway)
- Illinois (with downward arrows)
- West Virginia
- Minnesota
Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
- Michigan
- Colorado (with shields)
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- New York (freeway/parkway)
- North Carolina (with shields)
- Texas
- Connecticut (with shields)
- British Columbia
- Wisconsin
Other weird one-offs:
- Massachusetts (BGS)
- Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)
Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
Looking good to me.
I originally suggested Minnesota for the "frequent but not consistent" category because of the multiple uses along I-35 that all appear fairly new, but if only a handful actually exist it may not qualify for even the "frequent" category. Someone with more experience in Minnesota should chime in to better determine actual frequency of the sign.
Within ten years, I'd say Utah could be in the "consistent" category, but there's still too many old interchanges and new SPUIs without the sign for it to really qualify as a "consistent" user. I did check some even newer SPUIs (I-15 @ Hill Field Road, Layton) and these still do not have them, although some older ones do (especially in the southern areas of SLC). Interestingly, most of these SPUIs do include shields with arrows to highlight that they are a freeway on-ramp, they just exclude the actual "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" sign. But this newer SPUI in Layton doesn't even have those shields, so I have no idea what UDOT's game plan is here. Certainly not consistent enough right now for it to qualify for the top two categories.
With that in mind, West Virginia might qualify for "consistent" if all new interchanges include the signs and many old ones do as well. I think "consistent" should include those states where most interchanges include the signs, especially if the DOT responsible is using them consistently now and has doing so for quite a while (10+ years ideally).
Quote from: jakeroot on September 18, 2020, 02:44:28 PM
I originally suggested Minnesota for the "frequent but not consistent" category because of the multiple uses along I-35 that all appear fairly new, but if only a handful actually exist it may not qualify for even the "frequent" category. Someone with more experience in Minnesota should chime in to better determine actual frequency of the sign.
I agree that it isn't actually frequent in MN. But I decided against suggesting the change because you can only change a state's status so many times before it gets dropped from the Union.
So thank you for suggesting it instead, I guess.
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2020, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 18, 2020, 02:44:28 PM
I originally suggested Minnesota for the "frequent but not consistent" category because of the multiple uses along I-35 that all appear fairly new, but if only a handful actually exist it may not qualify for even the "frequent" category. Someone with more experience in Minnesota should chime in to better determine actual frequency of the sign.
I agree that it isn't actually frequent in MN. But I decided against suggesting the change because you can only change a state's status so many times before it gets dropped from the Union.
So thank you for suggesting it instead, I guess.
I'm fine with including it there as long as new interchanges also include the sign. Is this the case? If not, it probably shouldn't go in there.
For the record, it only ended up in the "frequent" category because I suggested it before, and I don't think
deathtopumpkins knew any better. Truth is that I don't really know any better than him either.
I don't know of any others, but we'd better let someone who actually lives there chime in.
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 17, 2020, 08:53:28 PM
3 things I am noticing in Illinois with the downstate signs is...
1) Usually at the entrance to folded diamonds like this at Route 1 onto I-64.
2) They are only facing the direction where the driver needs to make a left turn onto the ramp.
3) Huge ass sign.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.2355144,-88.0011521,3a,75y,0.28h,77.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBX_N4xhr92tj3EGL9Sh3UQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
My favorite IDOT one I have found is up in Belvidere/D2, for a Folded Diamond Interchange entrance to US 20 from Appleton Rd, which is NOT a freeway on this segment: https://goo.gl/maps/gCHfw9J7kEURz4jU9
Outside of D1, IDOT is pretty consistent, posting these signs at Folded Diamonds and even some RIROs
For a RIRO example in East St Louis: https://goo.gl/maps/U3iYGCTZNwJPHDvU7
Quote from: jakeroot on September 18, 2020, 03:09:16 PM
For the record, it only ended up in the "frequent" category because I suggested it before, and I don't think deathtopumpkins knew any better. Truth is that I don't really know any better than him either.
Yes, this exactly. I have never been to Minnesota (although that will change in about 3 weeks), and checking a few random interchanges on streetview didn't turn any up. I'm personally inclined to go with the "at least one" category, but I'll let someone more familiar with MN chime in.
The question would be, what states use the California assembly? That being "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" sign above the route's cardinal direction, above the route shield and above a down arrow?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 21, 2020, 04:55:54 PM
The question would be, what states use the California assembly? That being "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" sign above the route's cardinal direction, above the route shield and above a down arrow?
Just Nevada, at least consistently (note the prior listing puts them together). WA has some examples of this but it's not the norm. I think Utah has some assemblies like them too but again, not the norm.
Quote from: jakeroot on September 21, 2020, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 21, 2020, 04:55:54 PM
The question would be, what states use the California assembly? That being "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" sign above the route's cardinal direction, above the route shield and above a down arrow?
Just Nevada, at least consistently (note the prior listing puts them together). WA has some examples of this but it's not the norm. I think Utah has some assemblies like them too but again, not the norm.
I was thinking any examples in any states being the entire California setup. New Mexico has a few on I-25 in Albuquerque, but definitely not the norm, but I think it would still go on the list.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1522318,-106.5905008,3a,75y,182.82h,82.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSl1-zScxRQ85CUNYa0erTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1522318,-106.5905008,3a,75y,182.82h,82.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSl1-zScxRQ85CUNYa0erTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1587542,-106.5879193,3a,39.3y,173.05h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7zIarbfsFTtVJHAdy7huEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1587542,-106.5879193,3a,39.3y,173.05h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7zIarbfsFTtVJHAdy7huEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1828202,-106.5823644,3a,15.2y,172.56h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shCKe-6xUQo51KMfFWx7Qyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1828202,-106.5823644,3a,15.2y,172.56h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shCKe-6xUQo51KMfFWx7Qyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 22, 2020, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 21, 2020, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 21, 2020, 04:55:54 PM
The question would be, what states use the California assembly? That being "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" sign above the route's cardinal direction, above the route shield and above a down arrow?
Just Nevada, at least consistently (note the prior listing puts them together). WA has some examples of this but it's not the norm. I think Utah has some assemblies like them too but again, not the norm.
I was thinking any examples in any states being the entire California setup. New Mexico has a few on I-25 in Albuquerque, but definitely not the norm, but I think it would still go on the list.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1522318,-106.5905008,3a,75y,182.82h,82.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSl1-zScxRQ85CUNYa0erTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1522318,-106.5905008,3a,75y,182.82h,82.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSl1-zScxRQ85CUNYa0erTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1587542,-106.5879193,3a,39.3y,173.05h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7zIarbfsFTtVJHAdy7huEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1587542,-106.5879193,3a,39.3y,173.05h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7zIarbfsFTtVJHAdy7huEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1828202,-106.5823644,3a,15.2y,172.56h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shCKe-6xUQo51KMfFWx7Qyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1828202,-106.5823644,3a,15.2y,172.56h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shCKe-6xUQo51KMfFWx7Qyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That was my point. Nevada is the only state that consistently uses "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" with a shield assembly. WA a couple examples somewhere (
this is more typical (https://goo.gl/maps/KswQpedsgE2JdQBo8), with the two being adjacent rather than a single assembly), and UT has some too (if I recall correctly), and
maybe WV as well, but Nevada is the only consistent one.
Those NM examples are interesting though. I see that NM is on the list of states that have used the sign, but those are definitely more CA-style than not.
One other category that might be worthwhile would be for those states that use shield assemblies frequently but without "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs.
For example, the vast majority of on-ramps in Arizona are marked with a shield assembly and arrow, eg: "
NORTH LOOP 101 [arrow] (https://goo.gl/maps/8qVbDtrs9CCxFLuA8)".
This misses the mark in that the thread is about "freeway entrance" signage, which these examples clearly do not possess, but they are however in the same spirit, even if they do not directly state "freeway entrance".
example:Uses shield assemblies without freeway entrance signage:Another category would be those states that do absolutely nothing. Not sure which those are (by and large, Oregon), but it would be those states that put up an assembly to point you towards an on-ramp, but the on-ramp itself has no signage beyond "XXX prohibited...".
Quote from: jakeroot on September 22, 2020, 03:40:19 PM
One other category that might be worthwhile would be for those states that use shield assemblies frequently but without "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs.
For example, the vast majority of on-ramps in Arizona are marked with a shield assembly and arrow, eg: "NORTH LOOP 101 [arrow] (https://goo.gl/maps/8qVbDtrs9CCxFLuA8)".
This misses the mark in that the thread is about "freeway entrance" signage, which these examples clearly do not possess, but they are however in the same spirit, even if they do not directly state "freeway entrance".
example:
Uses shield assemblies without freeway entrance signage:
Another category would be those states that do absolutely nothing. Not sure which those are (by and large, Oregon), but it would be those states that put up an assembly to point you towards an on-ramp, but the on-ramp itself has no signage beyond "XXX prohibited...".
I remembered I-8 having "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs with full California style assemblies in Yuma, AZ. I scoured google maps street view for one and can't find it. I seem to be recalling from a trip in 2001, so maybe it predates even this street view picture:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6693464,-114.4097049,3a,36.7y,72.62h,92.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szDHP3SPFuGp8wv34wwUnYw!2e0!7i3328!8i1664 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6693464,-114.4097049,3a,36.7y,72.62h,92.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szDHP3SPFuGp8wv34wwUnYw!2e0!7i3328!8i1664)
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 22, 2020, 05:30:50 PM
I remembered I-8 having "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs with full California style assemblies in Yuma, AZ. I scoured google maps street view for one and can't find it. I seem to be recalling from a trip in 2001, so maybe it predates even this street view picture:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6693464,-114.4097049,3a,36.7y,72.62h,92.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szDHP3SPFuGp8wv34wwUnYw!2e0!7i3328!8i1664 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6693464,-114.4097049,3a,36.7y,72.62h,92.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szDHP3SPFuGp8wv34wwUnYw!2e0!7i3328!8i1664)
Given its proximity to California and Nevada, it would not surprise me if a "freeway entrance" sign slipped across the state line at some point. The fact that they don't use the sign is actually quite surprising to me, given how many other aspects of highway design in Arizona seem to have been inspired by California.
Another surprise is Oregon, where no signage is the norm despite being almost surrounded completely by states that use at least something (WA with 'freeway entrance' signs plus CA and NV with those
and shields (plus arrows)). Idaho being the one holdout.
Quote from: jakeroot on September 22, 2020, 03:40:19 PM
One other category that might be worthwhile would be for those states that use shield assemblies frequently but without "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs.
For example, the vast majority of on-ramps in Arizona are marked with a shield assembly and arrow, eg: "NORTH LOOP 101 [arrow] (https://goo.gl/maps/8qVbDtrs9CCxFLuA8)".
This misses the mark in that the thread is about "freeway entrance" signage, which these examples clearly do not possess, but they are however in the same spirit, even if they do not directly state "freeway entrance".
example:
Uses shield assemblies without freeway entrance signage:
Another category would be those states that do absolutely nothing. Not sure which those are (by and large, Oregon), but it would be those states that put up an assembly to point you towards an on-ramp, but the on-ramp itself has no signage beyond "XXX prohibited...".
I actually already included a category like you describe. It's the last one, and only had Ohio in it. However, I wouldn't include the Arizona example you link to, because that's just a directional sign pointing to a turn, like you'd find in pretty much any state. It's not anything specific to this being a freeway entrance. Ohio gets that category because of the downward arrows, which are pretty unique.
I'm disinclined to move NM or WA into the CA-esque category for a similar reason. Those freeway entrance signs are just being posted next to or along with with a normal directional sign, and I'm interested in this concept as it is distinct from using normal directional signs, be them guide signs or shield assemblies.
Quote from: jakeroot on September 22, 2020, 03:33:55 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 22, 2020, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 21, 2020, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 21, 2020, 04:55:54 PM
The question would be, what states use the California assembly? That being "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" sign above the route's cardinal direction, above the route shield and above a down arrow?
Just Nevada, at least consistently (note the prior listing puts them together). WA has some examples of this but it's not the norm. I think Utah has some assemblies like them too but again, not the norm.
I was thinking any examples in any states being the entire California setup. New Mexico has a few on I-25 in Albuquerque, but definitely not the norm, but I think it would still go on the list.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1522318,-106.5905008,3a,75y,182.82h,82.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSl1-zScxRQ85CUNYa0erTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1522318,-106.5905008,3a,75y,182.82h,82.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSl1-zScxRQ85CUNYa0erTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1587542,-106.5879193,3a,39.3y,173.05h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7zIarbfsFTtVJHAdy7huEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1587542,-106.5879193,3a,39.3y,173.05h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7zIarbfsFTtVJHAdy7huEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1828202,-106.5823644,3a,15.2y,172.56h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shCKe-6xUQo51KMfFWx7Qyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1828202,-106.5823644,3a,15.2y,172.56h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shCKe-6xUQo51KMfFWx7Qyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That was my point. Nevada is the only state that consistently uses "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" with a shield assembly. WA a couple examples somewhere (this is more typical (https://goo.gl/maps/KswQpedsgE2JdQBo8), with the two being adjacent rather than a single assembly), and UT has some too (if I recall correctly), and maybe WV as well, but Nevada is the only consistent one.
Those NM examples are interesting though. I see that NM is on the list of states that have used the sign, but those are definitely more CA-style than not.
Where does Utah use full shield assemblies?
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 23, 2020, 11:15:20 AM
I actually already included a category like you describe. It's the last one, and only had Ohio in it. However, I wouldn't include the Arizona example you link to, because that's just a directional sign pointing to a turn, like you'd find in pretty much any state. It's not anything specific to this being a freeway entrance. Ohio gets that category because of the downward arrows, which are pretty unique.
I'm disinclined to move NM or WA into the CA-esque category for a similar reason. Those freeway entrance signs are just being posted next to or along with with a normal directional sign, and I'm interested in this concept as it is distinct from using normal directional signs, be them guide signs or shield assemblies.
I did not see that one before. Thank you.
My idea with mentioning Arizona wasn't that they necessarily emulated California's design 100%, with down arrows and shields only on the on-ramp, but they use shield assemblies at every on-ramp. I don't think this is like every state; many that I've seen do little more than mention the turn using shield assemblies nowhere near the entrance to the on-ramp; this is standard in Oregon and Idaho, for example. Arizona uses shields at pretty much every on-ramp, but does not use down arrows like California, preferring to use arrows that point more in the direction of the turn.
Nevertheless, I see your point in not trying to include Arizona for this reason, since although they may be unique in being closer in placement to California than most places (placing the shield assemblies very close to the on-ramp or at the on-ramp itself), they are really not at all like California and more like most other states in that they are just mentioning that this road leads to "I-10" or "Loop 101" using signs and shields.
I would definitely agree in not using putting NM or WA into the California category. WA largely does not use shields at the on-ramps. Typical design is for a BGS approaching the interchange showing you that you have to turn left or right or whatever, and then "freeway entrance" signs at the actual on-ramp. NM doesn't appear to use "freeway entrance" signs much at all anyways, so they definitely shouldn't be in the same category as CA, even if all their examples do have a design closer to that of California.
Quote from: US 89 on September 23, 2020, 01:40:16 PM
Where does Utah use full shield assemblies?
They seem to be mostly at SPUIs:
W 1200 S @ I-15: https://goo.gl/maps/QGay9S9UHM7UBNje8
W Center St @ I-15: https://goo.gl/maps/ZahJA2xt7Dtfqhct9
W 400 S @ I-15: https://goo.gl/maps/NJNPMHGJxgLCQD1f6
They are nothing more than directional assemblies, but they are placed at the on-ramp in the
exact same place (https://goo.gl/maps/ExJoRkQqLEMgfhx28) that California would, though with an up arrow and no 'freeway entrance' sign.
Quote from: jakeroot on September 23, 2020, 04:59:38 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 23, 2020, 01:40:16 PM
Where does Utah use full shield assemblies?
They seem to be mostly at SPUIs:
W 1200 S @ I-15: https://goo.gl/maps/QGay9S9UHM7UBNje8
W Center St @ I-15: https://goo.gl/maps/ZahJA2xt7Dtfqhct9
W 400 S @ I-15: https://goo.gl/maps/NJNPMHGJxgLCQD1f6
They are nothing more than directional assemblies, but they are placed at the on-ramp in the exact same place (https://goo.gl/maps/ExJoRkQqLEMgfhx28) that California would, though with an up arrow and no 'freeway entrance' sign.
Oh, just those. I thought you meant including a "freeway entrance" sign. Yeah, those are pretty common at SPUIs throughout the state.
Where does Texas fit in all this? Since Texas is a very heavy frontage road state, and it took me a very long time to understand that Texas' freeways are not the norm, I am very desensitized to on-ramp signage and if it's a big deal or not because these are on every freeway you drive on in Texas:
https://goo.gl/maps/5KmvFn6xiDbSAfZL9 (https://goo.gl/maps/5KmvFn6xiDbSAfZL9)
Always one before and one at the gore. Albeit pointing up instead of down, but this setup seems to be gaining traction on this thread.
Quote from: US 89 on September 23, 2020, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 23, 2020, 04:59:38 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 23, 2020, 01:40:16 PM
Where does Utah use full shield assemblies?
They seem to be mostly at SPUIs:
W 1200 S @ I-15: https://goo.gl/maps/QGay9S9UHM7UBNje8
W Center St @ I-15: https://goo.gl/maps/ZahJA2xt7Dtfqhct9
W 400 S @ I-15: https://goo.gl/maps/NJNPMHGJxgLCQD1f6
They are nothing more than directional assemblies, but they are placed at the on-ramp in the exact same place (https://goo.gl/maps/ExJoRkQqLEMgfhx28) that California would, though with an up arrow and no 'freeway entrance' sign.
Oh, just those. I thought you meant including a "freeway entrance" sign. Yeah, those are pretty common at SPUIs throughout the state.
I re-read my post. You were right, that is what I meant. D'oh!!
I'm convinced every state that somewhat regularly uses Freeway Entrance signage has at least one example where it was combined with a shield assembly. I thought on GSV that I had seen such a combination in Utah, but perhaps not. Especially if you can't regularly think of one.
Washington, as I mentioned before, has some that get very close, like the Bellevue example I linked to. But neither that one, nor perhaps any other, are true CA-esque assemblies with down arrow and piecemeal placement (LGSs seem preferred in WA).
Reviewing this thread while preparing an email to a contact at FDOT working on wrong-way driving solutions, Florida has already implemented the shields with downward arrows around the state. So it could be added with Arizona and Ohio. This list is very helpful in determining what states use the actual freeway entrance signs. Florida continues to have major issues with wrong-way drivers, so adding these with the downward arrow based shields might be an option for them consider.
Some Florida examples:
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/574/fl-574-e-at-i-075-3.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/574/fl-574-e-at-i-075-3.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/589/atmore-grove-rd-w-at-fl-568.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/589/atmore-grove-rd-w-at-fl-568.jpg)
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 18, 2020, 09:00:22 AM
Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:
Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
- California (freeway/parkway)
- Nevada
Uses custom equivalent signs:
- New Jersey (parkway entrance)
Uses freeway entrance signs frequently but not consistently:
- Utah (freeway/parkway)
- Illinois (with downward arrows)
- West Virginia
- Minnesota
Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
- Michigan
- Colorado (with shields)
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- New York (freeway/parkway)
- North Carolina (with shields)
- Texas
- Connecticut (with shields)
- British Columbia
- Wisconsin
Other weird one-offs:
- Massachusetts (BGS)
- Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)
Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.
Similar to how turnpikes used to have signs saying which interchange number you are entering from. It seems obvious enough that I think the lack of exit numbers in CA when the standards were designed, contributes to why numbering was never part of the design.
Quote from: ran4sh on August 31, 2021, 01:01:56 PM
I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.
Similar to how turnpikes used to have signs saying which interchange number you are entering from. It seems obvious enough that I think the lack of exit numbers in CA when the standards were designed, contributes to why numbering was never part of the design.
What's useful about knowing what the cross-highway's exit number is?
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2021, 02:33:56 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 31, 2021, 01:01:56 PM
I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.
Similar to how turnpikes used to have signs saying which interchange number you are entering from. It seems obvious enough that I think the lack of exit numbers in CA when the standards were designed, contributes to why numbering was never part of the design.
What's useful about knowing what the cross-highway's exit number is?
It was probably more useful during the sequential days, when if you were told to get off at Exit 7, it would be useful to know where you got on to know whether your exit is next or far away. Now, you can just look at the mile markers.
Quote from: 1 on August 31, 2021, 02:38:07 PM
It was probably more useful during the sequential days, when if you were told to get off at Exit 7, it would be useful to know where you got on to know whether your exit is next or far away. Now, you can just look at the mile markers.
I guess I've just never been in a situation where I needed to know how far away my exit is
before even getting on.
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2021, 02:33:56 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 31, 2021, 01:01:56 PM
I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.
Similar to how turnpikes used to have signs saying which interchange number you are entering from. It seems obvious enough that I think the lack of exit numbers in CA when the standards were designed, contributes to why numbering was never part of the design.
What's useful about knowing what the cross-highway's exit number is?
Not everyone navigates according to street names and route numbers only. If someone gets on a freeway and sees the interchange number on an entrance sign, that serves as an additional navigational aid especially for the return trip so that they'll know what exit to use.
Another application would be, if some business or establishment advertises as being at Exit X, a numbered freeway entrance sign would allow drivers to determine if they need to get on northbound or southbound (eastbound or westbound) to get to exit X.
Quote from: ran4sh on August 31, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2021, 02:33:56 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 31, 2021, 01:01:56 PM
I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.
Similar to how turnpikes used to have signs saying which interchange number you are entering from. It seems obvious enough that I think the lack of exit numbers in CA when the standards were designed, contributes to why numbering was never part of the design.
What's useful about knowing what the cross-highway's exit number is?
Not everyone navigates according to street names and route numbers only. If someone gets on a freeway and sees the interchange number on an entrance sign, that serves as an additional navigational aid especially for the return trip so that they'll know what exit to use.
Another application would be, if some business or establishment advertises as being at Exit X, a numbered freeway entrance sign would allow drivers to determine if they need to get on northbound or southbound (eastbound or westbound) to get to exit X.
That seems like a really edge case application, as the masses are generally not familiar enough with exit numbering in general to know to navigate in that manner. And something that would be better served on advance signage along the arterial approaching the interchange (so that one can determine proper lane movements to turn onto the freeway) rather than the freeway entrance sign (which is posted right as one is entering a freeway ramp).
The Garden State Parkway in NJ has the word "Parkway Entrance" on their iconic entrance ramp signs.
Someone mentioned on FB, the fact in the Northeast, a freeway entrance guide would be confusing as New York refers to its freeway's as expressways, which in actual definition is not a expressway, but something used commonly over time. Then the NY Parkways are another. Though many parkways in New York are indeed freeways, the Taconic and Saw Mill Parkways and the Westchester segment of the Bronx River Parkway are the real expressways as they are limited access with at grade intersections.
IMHO, I think the MUTCD should adopt this policy and have all states use them regardless of what people call them.
Quote from: ran4sh on August 31, 2021, 01:01:56 PM
I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.
I don't know if Iowa still does, but they used to intermittently have little "INTERCHANGE NO. X" banners near I-80.
http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/6/u22/#sec_56
Michigan: In addition to the BL I-69 occurrence in Port Huron mentioned earlier, there is this one on M-50 at US-127 north of Jackson.
(https://i.imgur.com/4YXzBHO.jpg)
Not really what the OP asked, but there is this BGS on eastbound US-10 west of Farwell. I'm not aware of any other instance of this sign in the state where a road transitions into a freeway.
(https://i.imgur.com/I8IGcgY.jpg)
Quote from: wanderer2575 on September 05, 2021, 01:13:20 AM
Michigan: In addition to the BL I-69 occurrence in Port Huron mentioned earlier, there is this one on M-50 at US-127 north of Jackson.
(https://i.imgur.com/4YXzBHO.jpg)
Not really what the OP asked, but there is this BGS on eastbound US-10 west of Farwell. I'm not aware of any other instance of this sign in the state where a road transitions into a freeway.
(https://i.imgur.com/I8IGcgY.jpg)
US-131 does in Manton, so does US-127 in Jackson. They might not have the sign but they do the same thing that US-10 does there.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 16, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
Consulting the other thread, it looks like we're at:
- California
- Washington
- Nevada
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- Illinois
- West Virginia
- Wisconsin
- Montana
- Michigan
- Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
Add Utah to the list. Haven't paid attention if they are at every on-ramp, but there are at least some.
Bringing the list onto the new page:
Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
- California (freeway/parkway)
- Nevada
Uses custom equivalent signs:
- New Jersey (parkway entrance)
Uses freeway entrance signs frequently but not consistently:
- Utah (freeway/parkway)
- Illinois (with downward arrows)
- West Virginia
- Minnesota
Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
- Michigan
- Colorado (with shields)
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- New York (freeway/parkway)
- North Carolina (with shields)
- Texas
- Connecticut (with shields)
- British Columbia
- Wisconsin
Other weird one-offs:
- Massachusetts (BGS)
- Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)
Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
Added Florida based on Alex's pictures.
NJ's "Parkway Entrance" signs were already on the list.
Utah was also already on the list.
I like the KEEP RIGHT suspended overhead in that M-50 onramp.
I have found ANOTHER "Freeway Entrance" sign in Indiana! (I-69 NB onramp at S Green River Road in Evansville)
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.9383443,-87.4927013,3a,15y,189.42h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNAMUDZ6YMHO9Rue8g6OZRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 04, 2022, 02:25:22 AM
I have found ANOTHER "Freeway Entrance" sign in Indiana! (I-69 NB onramp at S Green River Road in Evansville)
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.9383443,-87.4927013,3a,15y,189.42h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNAMUDZ6YMHO9Rue8g6OZRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Looks like INDOT taking a page from IDOT, using the "Freeway Entrance" sign at a Folded Diamond entrance
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 24, 2020, 10:41:36 AM
Where does Texas fit in all this? Since Texas is a very heavy frontage road state, and it took me a very long time to understand that Texas' freeways are not the norm, I am very desensitized to on-ramp signage and if it's a big deal or not because these are on every freeway you drive on in Texas:
https://goo.gl/maps/5KmvFn6xiDbSAfZL9 (https://goo.gl/maps/5KmvFn6xiDbSAfZL9)
Always one before and one at the gore. Albeit pointing up instead of down, but this setup seems to be gaining traction on this thread.
Echoing what
ethanhopkin14 said, what exactly would you call these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6833948,-95.3472836,3a,25.7y,80.02h,89.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKiMJnzEQacDA2S2k6RFj4w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) found on nearly every Texas interstate if not freeway entrance signs? I would personally group them with New Jersey as having "custom" freeway entrance signs, as this setup is commonplace throughout the state (the FREEWAY ENTRANCE sign I found earlier in the thread is basically a one-off, so perhaps add a note for that?).
Were some here on NC 44 (Then US-70 bypass), but since then, they were removed when the bypass was completed.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.423858,-77.9799312,3a,37.6y,140.03h,93.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scaW2vT0rrVcJWiWmuNhGwA!2e0!5s20120601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 04, 2022, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 24, 2020, 10:41:36 AM
Where does Texas fit in all this? Since Texas is a very heavy frontage road state, and it took me a very long time to understand that Texas' freeways are not the norm, I am very desensitized to on-ramp signage and if it's a big deal or not because these are on every freeway you drive on in Texas:
https://goo.gl/maps/5KmvFn6xiDbSAfZL9 (https://goo.gl/maps/5KmvFn6xiDbSAfZL9)
Always one before and one at the gore. Albeit pointing up instead of down, but this setup seems to be gaining traction on this thread.
Echoing what ethanhopkin14 said, what exactly would you call these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6833948,-95.3472836,3a,25.7y,80.02h,89.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKiMJnzEQacDA2S2k6RFj4w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) found on nearly every Texas interstate if not freeway entrance signs? I would personally group them with New Jersey as having "custom" freeway entrance signs, as this setup is commonplace throughout the state (the FREEWAY ENTRANCE sign I found earlier in the thread is basically a one-off, so perhaps add a note for that?).
Those are just standard route shield assemblies. If those count as "freeway entrance" then all states have them, otherwise they are noncompliant and substandard.
Looks like Alaska isn't on the list yet. They don't seem to use them very frequently, but Fairbanks has at least two (https://www.google.com/maps/@64.8213579,-147.7140502,3a,42.9y,232.38h,86.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFoJJ66EM4cxmCrEQ-ucVMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) locations (https://www.google.com/maps/@64.8209131,-147.7108139,3a,68.6y,14.39h,85.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXX5Doi1waWCVzlXNtIpOFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) with "Expressway Entrance" signs (one with a route shield, one without).
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 07, 2021, 09:15:12 AM
Bringing the list onto the new page:
Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:
Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
- California (freeway/parkway)
- Nevada
Uses custom equivalent signs:
- New Jersey (parkway entrance)
Uses freeway entrance signs frequently but not consistently:
- Utah (freeway/parkway)
- Illinois (with downward arrows)
- West Virginia
- Minnesota
Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
- Michigan
- Colorado (with shields)
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- New York (freeway/parkway)
- North Carolina (with shields)
- Texas
- Connecticut (with shields)
- British Columbia
- Wisconsin
Other weird one-offs:
- Massachusetts (BGS)
- Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)
Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
Added Florida based on Alex's pictures.
NJ's "Parkway Entrance" signs were already on the list.
Utah was also already on the list.
speaking of the california parkway...
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.370456,-119.0659773,3a,15y,223.75h,88.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saTSvrvNtEl-_3KZkTn3mkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: Lukeisroads on January 09, 2022, 01:34:54 PM
speaking of the california parkway...
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.370456,-119.0659773,3a,15y,223.75h,88.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saTSvrvNtEl-_3KZkTn3mkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
And speaking of another California "parkway:"
(https://i.imgur.com/LJPJMAY.jpg)
This is part of former CA 90 that was relinquished to the City of Yorba Linda. The city scraped the "FWY" off the button copy, removed the "Freeway Entrance" signs from the signpost assemblies and cut the post down for good measure.
Okay, so adding Alaska to the list. I've left Indiana where it is though because that's yet another weird one-off example.
Uses standalone freeway entrance signs consistently:Uses freeway entrance signs with shields consistently:
- California (freeway/parkway)
- Nevada
Uses custom equivalent signs:
- New Jersey (parkway entrance)
Uses freeway entrance signs frequently but not consistently:
- Utah (freeway/parkway)
- Illinois (with downward arrows)
- West Virginia
- Minnesota
Has at least one use of a standard freeway entrance sign:
- Michigan
- Colorado (with shields)
- Oregon
- New Mexico
- New York (freeway/parkway)
- North Carolina (with shields)
- Texas
- Connecticut (with shields)
- British Columbia
- Wisconsin
- Alaska (expressway)
Other weird one-offs:
- Massachusetts (BGS)
- Indiana (overhead, mixed-case, with shields)
Uses shields with downward arrows, but no freeway entrance sign:
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on January 11, 2022, 02:55:24 AM
And speaking of another California "parkway:"
(https://i.imgur.com/LJPJMAY.jpg)
This is part of former CA 90 that was relinquished to the City of Yorba Linda. The city scraped the "FWY" off the button copy, removed the "Freeway Entrance" signs from the signpost assemblies and cut the post down for good measure.
That's interesting. As a Californian (and therefore used to seeing the Freeway Entrance signs) if I saw the route shield and arrow sign and that onramp I would still assume it's a freeway, regardless of the word "freeway" being removed. Since it's no longer officially a state highway, if their goal is to de-emphasize that it's a freeway I would have removed all the current signage and replaced it with "Imperial Highway" blades suspended from the traffic lights.
Intresting (https://goo.gl/maps/xKucJ6VnZr4N7z4V8)
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 14, 2022, 02:42:03 PM
Intresting (https://goo.gl/maps/xKucJ6VnZr4N7z4V8)
From the same general area:
https://flic.kr/p/2jsNX4Q
I'm not sure why the shields lack "property of the State of California" and have the weirdly thick vinyl numerals.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 14, 2022, 02:42:03 PM
Intresting (https://goo.gl/maps/xKucJ6VnZr4N7z4V8)
In the future please elaborate a bit more then a single misspelled word for a GSV link.
Because the D8 sign shop makes crappy signage, that's why.
The I-215 in my collection is an older Scotchlite back when they actually cared about sizing and alignment.
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on September 03, 2021, 01:05:50 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 31, 2021, 01:01:56 PM
I've always thought that Freeway Entrance signs would be more useful if they included the interchange ("exit") number for that location. I.e. at a standard diamond ramp that is exit 25, the signs would have the text "Freeway Entrance" along with the number 25.
I don't know if Iowa still does, but they used to intermittently have little "INTERCHANGE NO. X" banners near I-80.
http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/6/u22/#sec_56
I would like that. I would also like having an "exit" number for rest areas.
Quote from: Alex on February 14, 2022, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 14, 2022, 02:42:03 PM
Intresting (https://goo.gl/maps/xKucJ6VnZr4N7z4V8)
In the future please elaborate a bit more then a single misspelled word for a GSV link.
I find it interesting that a freeway entrance sign in California has an up pointing arrow instead of a down pointing one as the norm. I have never seen that before personally, in California. Excuse the brevity, I saw it while working and didn't have a whole lot of time to type a novel on something I thought would be accepted as unique by other as well. If this isn't that unique, then my sincere apologies.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2022, 12:53:16 AM
Quote from: Alex on February 14, 2022, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 14, 2022, 02:42:03 PM
Intresting (https://goo.gl/maps/xKucJ6VnZr4N7z4V8)
In the future please elaborate a bit more then a single misspelled word for a GSV link.
I find it interesting that a freeway entrance sign in California has an up pointing arrow instead of a down pointing one as the norm. I have never seen that before personally, in California. Excuse the brevity, I saw it while working and didn't have a whole lot of time to type a novel on something I thought would be accepted as unique by other as well. If this isn't that unique, then my sincere apologies.
My quick thought would be the sign was an error and should have been pointing down to the right, not to the left. The contractor/installer flipped it so at least it was pointing in the correct direction, and never got fully fixed.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 21, 2022, 12:57:40 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2022, 12:53:16 AM
Quote from: Alex on February 14, 2022, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 14, 2022, 02:42:03 PM
Intresting (https://goo.gl/maps/xKucJ6VnZr4N7z4V8)
In the future please elaborate a bit more then a single misspelled word for a GSV link.
I find it interesting that a freeway entrance sign in California has an up pointing arrow instead of a down pointing one as the norm. I have never seen that before personally, in California. Excuse the brevity, I saw it while working and didn't have a whole lot of time to type a novel on something I thought would be accepted as unique by other as well. If this isn't that unique, then my sincere apologies.
My quick thought would be the sign was an error and should have been pointing down to the right, not to the left. The contractor/installer flipped it so at least it was pointing in the correct direction, and never got fully fixed.
It is supposed to be a diagonally downward-facing arrow, but it's not too uncommon to see a diagonally upward-facing arrow used in error. You'll see that sometimes in Nevada as well. Sometimes due to the geometry, it makes sense why the wrong arrow might be used–as in this example of Sparks Blvd SB ramp to I-80 EB in Sparks, NV (https://goo.gl/maps/XtDRC6Y7ABdPPwor8).
The downward diagonal arrow is used in freeway entrance assemblies as a means to convey the message of "here" (as in "the freeway entrance is here"), similar to how a downward diagonal arrow is now used at signed marked crosswalks to indicate the actual crossing location.
<rant>I actually kinda wish the MUTCD would adopt the curved shaft arrow used (only?) on the R1-5 series "yield/stop for pedestrian" signs, such as the R1-5-bL sign below. That is one definitive use of a downward-facing arrow meant to signify to do something at a specific point, and not a diagonal arrow meant to give a direction. Such arrow could be used at freeway entrance assemblies, pedestrian and similar crossings, "stop here on red", and similar signs that reference something happening/existing at a particular spot.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/MUTCD_R1-5bL.svg/137px-MUTCD_R1-5bL.svg.png)
</rant>
Quote from: roadfro on February 21, 2022, 05:13:52 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 21, 2022, 12:57:40 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2022, 12:53:16 AM
Quote from: Alex on February 14, 2022, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 14, 2022, 02:42:03 PM
Intresting (https://goo.gl/maps/xKucJ6VnZr4N7z4V8)
In the future please elaborate a bit more then a single misspelled word for a GSV link.
I find it interesting that a freeway entrance sign in California has an up pointing arrow instead of a down pointing one as the norm. I have never seen that before personally, in California. Excuse the brevity, I saw it while working and didn't have a whole lot of time to type a novel on something I thought would be accepted as unique by other as well. If this isn't that unique, then my sincere apologies.
My quick thought would be the sign was an error and should have been pointing down to the right, not to the left. The contractor/installer flipped it so at least it was pointing in the correct direction, and never got fully fixed.
It is supposed to be a diagonally downward-facing arrow, but it's not too uncommon to see a diagonally upward-facing arrow used in error. You'll see that sometimes in Nevada as well. Sometimes due to the geometry, it makes sense why the wrong arrow might be used–as in this example of Sparks Blvd SB ramp to I-80 EB in Sparks, NV (https://goo.gl/maps/XtDRC6Y7ABdPPwor8).
The downward diagonal arrow is used in freeway entrance assemblies as a means to convey the message of "here" (as in "the freeway entrance is here"), similar to how a downward diagonal arrow is now used at signed marked crosswalks to indicate the actual crossing location.
<rant>I actually kinda wish the MUTCD would adopt the curved shaft arrow used (only?) on the R1-5 series "yield/stop for pedestrian" signs, such as the R1-5-bL sign below. That is one definitive use of a downward-facing arrow meant to signify to do something at a specific point, and not a diagonal arrow meant to give a direction. Such arrow could be used at freeway entrance assemblies, pedestrian and similar crossings, "stop here on red", and similar signs that reference something happening/existing at a particular spot.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/MUTCD_R1-5bL.svg/137px-MUTCD_R1-5bL.svg.png)
</rant>
I have seen this set up in Texas, New Mexico, Nevada and Arizona. I have NEVER seen it in California.
Let me know if this one is unusual. HIGHWAY ENTRANCE (https://goo.gl/maps/enzcyQjs5N9BuVEQ7). Admittingly, I have not spent a lot of time in the Pacific Northwest, but I don't recall that verbiage being discussed before.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on April 27, 2022, 12:24:26 PM
Let me know if this one is unusual. HIGHWAY ENTRANCE (https://goo.gl/maps/enzcyQjs5N9BuVEQ7). Admittingly, I have not spent a lot of time in the Pacific Northwest, but I don't recall that verbiage being discussed before.
Generally used only when it's not a freeway (such as a two lane, undivided road) but uses a freeway-style ramp. In this case, because of the border crossing and all of the infrastructure related to it (never mind the very low speed limit), they opted for HIGHWAY ENTRANCE instead.
Quote from: jakeroot on April 27, 2022, 06:29:41 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on April 27, 2022, 12:24:26 PM
Let me know if this one is unusual. HIGHWAY ENTRANCE (https://goo.gl/maps/enzcyQjs5N9BuVEQ7). Admittingly, I have not spent a lot of time in the Pacific Northwest, but I don't recall that verbiage being discussed before.
Generally used only when it's not a freeway (such as a two lane, undivided road) but uses a freeway-style ramp. In this case, because of the border crossing and all of the infrastructure related to it (never mind the very low speed limit), they opted for HIGHWAY ENTRANCE instead.
I guess I rarely see entrance ramps that go to non-freeways.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on April 27, 2022, 07:02:18 PM
I guess I rarely see entrance ramps that go to non-freeways.
Really? I've used non-freeway entrance ramps quite a bit in Texas. Near you, aren't there a couple along Loop-360?
I've always thought the actual "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs were a way for some state DOTs to eke out a little more money from their governments. The signs seem kind of "well, duh" to me, but if you can mandate thousands of them around your state, you can keep a few more people on the payroll making 'em.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on April 27, 2022, 12:24:26 PM
Let me know if this one is unusual. HIGHWAY ENTRANCE (https://goo.gl/maps/enzcyQjs5N9BuVEQ7). Admittingly, I have not spent a lot of time in the Pacific Northwest, but I don't recall that verbiage being discussed before.
I've seen those on US 395 between Pasco and Ritzville, Washington. It's mostly freeway but has some at-grade intersections.
Quote from: kphoger on April 28, 2022, 08:48:18 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on April 27, 2022, 07:02:18 PM
I guess I rarely see entrance ramps that go to non-freeways.
Really? I've used non-freeway entrance ramps quite a bit in Texas. Near you, aren't there a couple along Loop-360?
Yeah, but not really what I was initially thinking. I was thinking of an entrance ramp on a non-divided highway. Not really sure why I had that in mind.
The example you gave actually do exist a lot in Texas. I call it an almost freeway.
I have seen them, just mean its mostly rare.
Quote from: DenverBrian on April 28, 2022, 09:28:01 AM
I've always thought the actual "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs were a way for some state DOTs to eke out a little more money from their governments. The signs seem kind of "well, duh" to me, but if you can mandate thousands of them around your state, you can keep a few more people on the payroll making 'em.
Really? I've always found them to be exceptionally useful. To the extent that driving in areas without them, I find it needlessly frustrating how ramps are rarely signed at all besides something halfway down the ramp indicating some kind of restrictions. FREEWAY ENTRANCE signage really makes it very clear exactly where the ramp is, and exactly what you might expect.
For the record, the signs are so incredibly cheap, there's virtually no chance they impact budgets. They can last decades and can be made very quickly and cheaply.
Quote from: jakeroot on April 28, 2022, 04:44:27 PM
Quote from: DenverBrian on April 28, 2022, 09:28:01 AM
I've always thought the actual "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs were a way for some state DOTs to eke out a little more money from their governments. The signs seem kind of "well, duh" to me, but if you can mandate thousands of them around your state, you can keep a few more people on the payroll making 'em.
Really? I've always found them to be exceptionally useful. To the extent that driving in areas without them, I find it needlessly frustrating how ramps are rarely signed at all besides something halfway down the ramp indicating some kind of restrictions. FREEWAY ENTRANCE signage really makes it very clear exactly where the ramp is, and exactly what you might expect.
For the record, the signs are so incredibly cheap, there's virtually no chance they impact budgets. They can last decades and can be made very quickly and cheaply.
Sometimes, too, it's tough to tell exactly which road is the on-ramp, if there are other side-streets or business entrances immediately nearby.
https://goo.gl/maps/M945JGgSTiw1bmSK7
East Lyme, CT.
Here at Cedar St and Pearl St (https://goo.gl/maps/wkQREw4C6F2pkWSW9) in Deming, NM it would have been nice if they combined the "Freeway Entrance" sign with the large yellow sign saying "No Access to Businesses..."
They should have put the freeway entrance sign above the yellow sign instead of further down the ramp. Overall, it isn't a big deal but the signage still could be better.
Quote from: jtespi on January 03, 2023, 05:43:20 AMHere at Cedar St and Pearl St (https://goo.gl/maps/wkQREw4C6F2pkWSW9) in Deming, NM it would have been nice if they combined the "Freeway Entrance" sign with the large yellow sign saying "No Access to Businesses..."
They should have put the freeway entrance sign above the yellow sign instead of further down the ramp. Overall, it isn't a big deal but the signage still could be better.
This--not just the signs, but also the very closely spaced post-mounted delineators--all has the odor of a custom treatment devised to address a specific problem, possibly illegal roadside vending along the ramp. (I think I have a photo--also from New Mexico--of a vendor next to a "No Vending" sign.)
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 04, 2023, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: jtespi on January 03, 2023, 05:43:20 AMHere at Cedar St and Pearl St (https://goo.gl/maps/wkQREw4C6F2pkWSW9) in Deming, NM it would have been nice if they combined the "Freeway Entrance" sign with the large yellow sign saying "No Access to Businesses..."
They should have put the freeway entrance sign above the yellow sign instead of further down the ramp. Overall, it isn't a big deal but the signage still could be better.
This--not just the signs, but also the very closely spaced post-mounted delineators--all has the odor of a custom treatment devised to address a specific problem, possibly illegal roadside vending along the ramp. (I think I have a photo--also from New Mexico--of a vendor next to a "No Vending" sign.)
That explanation makes sense. I was wondering about the fence lines close to the edges of pavement that didn't seem to serve a practical purpose...
Quote from: roadfro on January 05, 2023, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 04, 2023, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: jtespi on January 03, 2023, 05:43:20 AMHere at Cedar St and Pearl St (https://goo.gl/maps/wkQREw4C6F2pkWSW9) in Deming, NM it would have been nice if they combined the "Freeway Entrance" sign with the large yellow sign saying "No Access to Businesses..."
They should have put the freeway entrance sign above the yellow sign instead of further down the ramp. Overall, it isn't a big deal but the signage still could be better.
This--not just the signs, but also the very closely spaced post-mounted delineators--all has the odor of a custom treatment devised to address a specific problem, possibly illegal roadside vending along the ramp. (I think I have a photo--also from New Mexico--of a vendor next to a "No Vending" sign.)
That explanation makes sense. I was wondering about the fence lines close to the edges of pavement that didn't seem to serve a practical purpose...
I agree, but not to roadside vending. I think enough people made the turn to go to the business right at the corner, realized they made the wrong preemptive turn, and just pulled over and parked right off the side of the entrance ramp. Me-thinks it got bad at one point that it looked like a parking lot on the side of the building, the state didn't like people parking in the right-of-way and put a stop to that. Thats why I think the wording is "NO ACCESS TO BUSINESSES BEYOND THIS POINT" rather than "NO PARKING" or " NO STANDING".
It's the end of a frontage road. The sign makes sense.
Then again, it's New Mexico. So you also end up with stuff like this CONTROLLED ACCESS sign (https://goo.gl/maps/uANLfkswM77Go2Ss6) (whose meaning is itself unclear) getting turned 90° (https://goo.gl/maps/phFBPNoiiPpGKt1h8).
Quote from: kphoger on January 05, 2023, 02:48:12 PM
It's the end of a frontage road. The sign makes sense.
Then again, it's New Mexico. So you also end up with stuff like this CONTROLLED ACCESS sign (https://goo.gl/maps/uANLfkswM77Go2Ss6) (whose meaning is itself unclear) getting turned 90° (https://goo.gl/maps/phFBPNoiiPpGKt1h8).
Traditionally, the "Controlled Access" signage is a reminder to adjacent landowners that they must contact the DOT for approval to connect driveways and parking lots to what WVDOH calls a "Partially Limited Access Highway". These are roads where the DOT has jurisdiction over all connections.