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Re: California
« Reply #1575 on: June 30, 2022, 09:51:06 PM »

AB 1778 is dead!

https://cal.streetsblog.org/2022/06/29/no-freeway-expansion-bill-dies-in-senate-committee/

Hopefully this year's elections bring a less woke legislature and this is the last we'll ever see of such an asinine idea.

Certainly didnít help that labor unions in the affected communities strongly opposed it.  It read as though nobody even bothered to consult anyone at the community level.

There were so many problems with that bill:
1. It banned all freeway expansion in high poverty areas, even ones that did not require any right of way acquisition
2. It even banned new carpool lanes
3. It didn't consider electric vehicles
4. It applied even to areas, think San Bernardino and the Central Valley, that have no public transit to speak of
5. To define "high poverty", it used an index developed by a private group that, by definition, classifies half the state as disadvantaged. So even if California's housing and air quality issues were solved magically, it would still ban freeway expansion in half the state

I'm definitely sure that the various lobbying groups lining up against the bill made these points clear. The fact that it got as far as it did is scary.
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Re: California
« Reply #1576 on: July 01, 2022, 12:24:33 AM »

That's the best legislative news I have heard in a long time.  I hope that "Clown World" has peaked in California, but I am not for certain.  If municipalities like San Francisco want to prohibit expansion (as I believe they already have), that's their business.  San Francisco and Los Angeles are very different than Bakersfield or areas of the Inland Empire. 
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Re: California
« Reply #1577 on: July 01, 2022, 04:15:21 PM »

Don't think I've seen anybody else posting this but at least in Los Angeles they're updating some freeway signs again! :D






Unfortunately, it looks like they're updating signs very poorly...

No exit numbers with the Gabe Ave assembly.

And the two signs for James Wood Blvd could've been designed betteróless wide, and with external tabs, both of which would've had less wind loading... (The panel is already taller than the truss, which until the last decade or so was a no-no for CalTrans.) I wonder if they just slapped up new panels on top of an existing sign.
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Re: California
« Reply #1578 on: July 02, 2022, 01:07:53 AM »

Don't think I've seen anybody else posting this but at least in Los Angeles they're updating some freeway signs again! :D






Unfortunately, it looks like they're updating signs very poorly...

No exit numbers with the Gabe Ave assembly.

And the two signs for James Wood Blvd could've been designed betteróless wide, and with external tabs, both of which would've had less wind loading... (The panel is already taller than the truss, which until the last decade or so was a no-no for CalTrans.) I wonder if they just slapped up new panels on top of an existing sign.

Iím not sure really. I know they want to use the big yellow exit only labels wherever they can. And well they still like the inner exit tab. These are brand new signs so idk what rules theyíre following haha 😅
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Re: California
« Reply #1579 on: July 02, 2022, 01:40:28 PM »

Unfortunately, it looks like they're updating signs very poorly...

And the two signs for James Wood Blvd could've been designed betteróless wide, and with external tabs, both of which would've had less wind loading... (The panel is already taller than the truss, which until the last decade or so was a no-no for CalTrans.) I wonder if they just slapped up new panels on top of an existing sign.

Actually, having 110" and 120" tall sign panels on trusses designed for 100" panels has been standard practice in California for quite sometime.  IINM, Caltrans did have "deeper" trusses (dating back to the 70's) but they phased those out around Y2K in favor of using the "100-inch" truss for 100", 110" and 120" tall panels.
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Re: California
« Reply #1580 on: July 03, 2022, 01:45:36 PM »

Here's another example of the MUTCD standard Exit Only signage in Southern California, along US 101 north (Ventura Freeway westbound)

_DSC8985 by Chris Sampang, on Flickr
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Re: California
« Reply #1581 on: July 05, 2022, 03:06:35 AM »

Here's another example of the MUTCD standard Exit Only signage in Southern California, along US 101 north (Ventura Freeway westbound)

_DSC8985 by Chris Sampang, on Flickr

Iím guessing this is something new theyíre implementing in California? I know other states have that kind of signage. It was not something Caltrans used previously.
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Re: California
« Reply #1582 on: July 05, 2022, 09:59:13 AM »

Here is a look at the Newhall Interchange in 1992.

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Re: California
« Reply #1583 on: July 05, 2022, 03:52:03 PM »

AB 1778 is dead!

https://cal.streetsblog.org/2022/06/29/no-freeway-expansion-bill-dies-in-senate-committee/

Hopefully this year's elections bring a less woke legislature and this is the last we'll ever see of such an asinine idea.

Certainly didnít help that labor unions in the affected communities strongly opposed it.  It read as though nobody even bothered to consult anyone at the community level.

There were so many problems with that bill:
1. It banned all freeway expansion in high poverty areas, even ones that did not require any right of way acquisition
2. It even banned new carpool lanes
3. It didn't consider electric vehicles
4. It applied even to areas, think San Bernardino and the Central Valley, that have no public transit to speak of
5. To define "high poverty", it used an index developed by a private group that, by definition, classifies half the state as disadvantaged. So even if California's housing and air quality issues were solved magically, it would still ban freeway expansion in half the state

I'm definitely sure that the various lobbying groups lining up against the bill made these points clear. The fact that it got as far as it did is scary.

According to the article, the bill's author had agreed to amendments which would have limited some of the above, including one which would have limited the bill's enforcement to LA County. However, being defeated 8-2 in committee is a sign that it was doomed regardless of how many amendments were added to limit the bill's dubious restrictions.
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Re: California
« Reply #1584 on: July 05, 2022, 08:38:30 PM »

Here's another example of the MUTCD standard Exit Only signage in Southern California, along US 101 north (Ventura Freeway westbound)

_DSC8985 by Chris Sampang, on Flickr

Iím guessing this is something new theyíre implementing in California? I know other states have that kind of signage. It was not something Caltrans used previously.

Yeah, the classic CalTrans exit only signage was not quite as solidly yellow:

_DSC8984 by Chris Sampang, on Flickr

_DSC8969 by Chris Sampang, on Flickr
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Re: California
« Reply #1585 on: July 10, 2022, 11:44:26 AM »

The new Sixth St Bridge opens Monday. It will be open today for nonmotorized traffic.
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Re: California
« Reply #1586 on: July 11, 2022, 09:50:30 PM »

Don't know if this has been discussed before on AARoads (feel free to link) , but...

On another family of mb's, I was reminded of Cali's agricultural checkpoints at the major highway entrances to the Golden State.

My questions are...

Who must stop?

Are they like truck weigh stations - open only at certain hours?  When closed, what can/must transporters of risky commodies do?

How busy are they?
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Re: California
« Reply #1587 on: July 11, 2022, 10:55:42 PM »

Don't know if this has been discussed before on AARoads (feel free to link) , but...

On another family of mb's, I was reminded of Cali's agricultural checkpoints at the major highway entrances to the Golden State.

My questions are...

Who must stop?

Are they like truck weigh stations - open only at certain hours?  When closed, what can/must transporters of risky commodies do?

How busy are they?
There's this discussion about the state's agricultural stations: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31044.0

AFAIK, all traffic heading inbound to the state must stop and the stations aren't grade separated so those are the places on the Interstate with stop signs LOL. How long one gets stopped can vary. I think if one is hauling a trailer (either a truck or a pick-up truck with something like a speedboat) they are more likely to be stopped. If one indicates they possess fruit they will get stopped longer.

I believe these checkpoints are open 24/7 and they can get busy in holiday/weekends, especially the checkpoint at I-15 south of Primm, NV.
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Re: California
« Reply #1588 on: July 12, 2022, 11:44:23 AM »

Question: Iíve only lived in SoCal for about 7 years so I donít know too much about when these projects underway or soon to be were actually proposed. Is Caltrans still going to plan more projects that include new GP lanes or are they doing away with that entirely? Iím specifically referring to future projects that havenít been approved yet. Not ones already under discussion.
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Re: California
« Reply #1589 on: July 13, 2022, 02:46:38 AM »

I believe these checkpoints are open 24/7 and they can get busy in holiday/weekends, especially the checkpoint at I-15 south of Primm, NV.

They're not (open 24/7, that is), or at least the Primm one isn't. I do that drive several times a year, usually very early Sunday morning (between 2 and 4 AM) and there's never been anyone there, you just drive right through.
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Re: California
« Reply #1590 on: July 13, 2022, 08:09:48 AM »

I believe these checkpoints are open 24/7 and they can get busy in holiday/weekends, especially the checkpoint at I-15 south of Primm, NV.

They're not (open 24/7, that is), or at least the Primm one isn't. I do that drive several times a year, usually very early Sunday morning (between 2 and 4 AM) and there's never been anyone there, you just drive right through.

On occasion Iíve seen the Ag station on US 199 closed during the middle of the day. 
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Re: California
« Reply #1591 on: July 13, 2022, 11:00:32 AM »

When they are open, everyone must stop, but the stop may be very brief (waive through) or the officer may ask a brief question ("Are you carrying any fruit?") or more questions or search the car.  For passenger cars it's usually wave through or a single question, trucks probably get more.
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Re: California
« Reply #1592 on: July 13, 2022, 12:19:20 PM »

When they are open, everyone must stop, but the stop may be very brief (waive through) or the officer may ask a brief question ("Are you carrying any fruit?") or more questions or search the car.  For passenger cars it's usually wave through or a single question, trucks probably get more.

That's pretty much the case when Big Rig Steve passes through one (usually I-15 or I-80).  If he's not carrying any sort of fresh veggies, fruits and the like, he'll respond to the state inspector with something like '"razor blades" or "frozen beef", etc, and be waved on through.  Then he might get prePassed through the scale and be on his way.

He's had much longer paperwork delays at the state 'port of entry' inspection stations on I-80 in Wyoming.


Als for the interruption of freeway standards, I look upon them in the same manner as I look upon tollgates.

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Re: California
« Reply #1593 on: July 13, 2022, 01:52:14 PM »

When they are open, everyone must stop, but the stop may be very brief (waive through) or the officer may ask a brief question ("Are you carrying any fruit?") or more questions or search the car.  For passenger cars it's usually wave through or a single question, trucks probably get more.

The one at Meyers on US 50 has had a bypass lane for locals and Tahoe visitors for many years because of the horrendous backups that would occur, particularly on Sunday/end of holiday afternoons with returning-from-Tahoe traffic.  It's at a natural choke point for folks coming into CA but it also snares south Tahoe traffic so they had to do something since moving it closer to the state line wasn't an option.  The one on I-80 in Truckee used to have the same thing before they moved that whole inspection station three miles eastward to be on the Reno side of Truckee/CA267/CA89 to address that same problem.  Way back when (before bypass lanes and station relocations) having skis on the roof rack was a guaranteed pass to get waved through. 
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Re: California
« Reply #1594 on: July 13, 2022, 08:30:08 PM »

There's this discussion about the state's agricultural stations: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31044.0

Which mentions cars entering from NV or returning to CA being waved through.  Are they less lenient with Arizona cars?  Or Oregon cars?
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Re: California
« Reply #1595 on: July 13, 2022, 08:48:59 PM »

There's this discussion about the state's agricultural stations: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31044.0

Which mentions cars entering from NV or returning to CA being waved through.  Are they less lenient with Arizona cars?

I've entered CA using I-40 and CA 62 a couple times each and I-10 once. I've always been waved through but I had California plates.
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Re: California
« Reply #1596 on: July 13, 2022, 10:53:09 PM »

There's this discussion about the state's agricultural stations: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31044.0

Which mentions cars entering from NV or returning to CA being waved through.  Are they less lenient with Arizona cars?

I've entered CA using I-40 and CA 62 a couple times each and I-10 once. I've always been waved through but I had California plates.
I've been waved through without 'em. They really don't care about passenger cars.

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« Reply #1597 on: July 13, 2022, 11:16:03 PM »

On a recent trip to Northern California with Washington plates:

I-5 SB - Stopped, asked a brief question and waved through
US 199 SB - Stopped, asked a brief question and waved through
US 101 SB - Station closed, no stop required

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Re: California
« Reply #1598 on: July 22, 2022, 08:32:39 AM »



This early plan for Irvine Ranch from 1961 (which for some reason includes land that's now part of Newport Beach) shows SR 73 veering Southward to end at the Pacific Coast Highway (which may be upgraded to freeway standards here?)
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« Reply #1599 on: July 22, 2022, 09:15:38 AM »



This early plan for Irvine Ranch from 1961 (which for some reason includes land that's now part of Newport Beach) shows SR 73 veering Southward to end at the Pacific Coast Highway (which may be upgraded to freeway standards here?)

I donít believe the Pacific Coast Freeway ever really got too far into the planning stages.  Iíve seen CHPW references to the facility when I was writing the blogs for CA 22 and CA 107, Iím sure there is lots more.
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