noelbotevera travels!

[Alps]

Seeing the incredibly cavalier attitude of noel, I honestly think the Canadian federal government should keep our border completely shut forever.

Obviously you don't want to follow the rules.

As long as it keeps you out.

[MisterSG1]

So be it, enjoy getting your nice side of the 'Rona.

Somehow it's ok to enter into these riots and have no COVID-19 concerns, 166k cases in your state, and how many people live in your state. That's over 2% of your state's population infected.

Want to hear about how many cases there have been in many of the Canadian provinces....exactly you don't.

[MisterSG1]

Crickets, I see, I am incredibly furious over a story of a family from Texas who camped in Banff by using the Alaska loophole.

Really, that family should have the RCMP escort them all the way back to the US border. Or better yet, charge them with intention to cause bodily harm.

[Roadgeekteen]

Crickets, I see, I am incredibly furious over a story of a family from Texas who camped in Banff by using the Alaska loophole.

Really, that family should have the RCMP escort them at gunpoint all the way back to the US border.

Oh my god camping such a dangerous activity omg how will Canada ever survive.

[MisterSG1]

Crickets, I see, I am incredibly furious over a story of a family from Texas who camped in Banff by using the Alaska loophole.

Really, that family should have the RCMP escort them at gunpoint all the way back to the US border.

Oh my god camping such a dangerous activity omg how will Canada ever survive.

Because it's the law. Anyone entering Canada is required to quarantine for 14 days. They entered Canada because of an Alaska loophole, that is being allowed passage through Canada because their final destination is Alaska. Tell me exactly how someone ends up in Banff?

They can be infected, and by speaking to someone else can infect hundreds of other people.

New Brunswick and Newfoundland have an extremely hard border, you are only allowed in those provinces unless your primary address is there. Look how many cases there are in Newfoundland and New Brunswick and you'll see.

[Roadgeekteen]

Crickets, I see, I am incredibly furious over a story of a family from Texas who camped in Banff by using the Alaska loophole.

Really, that family should have the RCMP escort them at gunpoint all the way back to the US border.

Oh my god camping such a dangerous activity omg how will Canada ever survive.

Because it's the law. Anyone entering Canada is required to quarantine for 14 days. They entered Canada because of an Alaska loophole, that is being allowed passage through Canada because their final destination is Alaska. Tell me exactly how someone ends up in Banff?

If you don't want Americans in the country, don't let them in the first place. Nobody follows 14 day quarantines anymore. Make them fly to Alaska.

[MisterSG1]

Oh, so you think it's ok to not follow the law regarding this incredibly serious situation?

There's 100k cases in your state, 7 million people, around 1.4% of your population.

The province of Ontario isn't even at 0.5% yet, and our actions have caused the low infection rate.

[Roadgeekteen]

Oh, so you think it's ok to not follow the law regarding this incredibly serious situation?

No, but don't trust people to self isolate and follow rules. Make them fly to Alaska, flights are still running.

[Roadgeekteen]

Oh, so you think it's ok to not follow the law regarding this incredibly serious situation?

There's 100k cases in your state, 7 million people, around 1.4% of your population.

The province of Ontario isn't even at 0.5% yet, and our actions have caused the low infection rate.

Also, maybe not you, but I noticed that many Canadians are extremely condescending towards Americans lately. So much for being polite. According to them our country is burning down and Canada is some shinning beacon of hope. New Zealand would be the example.

[MisterSG1]

The idea I'm saying, is that Americans generally don't like to follow rules when it is paramount to follow rules in this situation.

I traced this back to the founding of either country, "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" vs "Peace, order, and good government"

Those who disobey the order can have fines of $750,000 and/or six months in prison.

Yes, these quarantine rules are very serious.

[Roadgeekteen]

The idea I'm saying, is that Americans generally don't like to follow rules when it is paramount to follow rules in this situation.

I traced this back to the founding of either country, "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" vs "Peace, order, and good government"

Those who disobey the order can have fines of $750,000 and/or six months in prison.

Yes, these quarantine rules are very serious.

I know, the 14 day quarantine within the states is laughingly enforced, so people probably don't take these things seriously. Although sometimes I wish I lived in Canada...

[MisterSG1]

The idea I'm saying, is that Americans generally don't like to follow rules when it is paramount to follow rules in this situation.

I traced this back to the founding of either country, "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" vs "Peace, order, and good government"

Those who disobey the order can have fines of $750,000 and/or six months in prison.

Yes, these quarantine rules are very serious.

I know, the 14 day quarantine within the states is laughingly enforced, so people probably don't take these things seriously. Although sometimes I wish I lived in Canada...

And that's the thing, if the orders are strongly enforced then maybe all of us could end this and get back to normal.

But as we see, we have people thinking that they should travel around the country during a pandemic. Which leads to more possibility of spread.

Just look at my previous posts on here, I'm perhaps the most pro-American Canadian poster on this forum. But when it comes to this virus, I am horribly disappointed. The border needs to remained closed until all the states can "shape up" and get the situation under control.

Things are NOT back to normal, none of the Big 4 sports leagues are running right now, yes technically only 1 is normally in operation at this point, but the NHL and NBA have not made concrete plans for a restart. Obviously, if pro sports, a place with big crowds can't restart, than why should people think that they have the right to go wherever they want in the country. For the record, only lockdowns and strikes have ever paused baseball, no events of war or natural disaster have effectively shut down the season pretty much "permanently". Yes, I remember 9/11 and I went to the first Jays game after 9/11, but we all knew that things would start to ease up in a week after that horrible day.

As for this time period, we still do not know.

[Roadgeekteen]

The idea I'm saying, is that Americans generally don't like to follow rules when it is paramount to follow rules in this situation.

I traced this back to the founding of either country, "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" vs "Peace, order, and good government"

Those who disobey the order can have fines of $750,000 and/or six months in prison.

Yes, these quarantine rules are very serious.

I know, the 14 day quarantine within the states is laughingly enforced, so people probably don't take these things seriously. Although sometimes I wish I lived in Canada...

And that's the thing, if the orders are strongly enforced then maybe all of us could end this and get back to normal.

But as we see, we have people thinking that they should travel around the country during a pandemic. Which leads to more possibility of spread.

Just look at my previous posts on here, I'm perhaps the most pro-American Canadian poster on this forum. But when it comes to this virus, I am horribly disappointed. The border needs to remained closed until all the states can "shape up" and get the situation under control.

Things are NOT back to normal, none of the Big 4 sports leagues are running right now, yes technically only 1 is normally in operation at this point, but the NHL and NBA have not made concrete plans for a restart. Obviously, if pro sports, a place with big crowds can't restart, than why should people think that they have the right to go wherever they want in the country. For the record, only lockdowns and strikes have ever paused baseball, no events of war or natural disaster have effectively shut down the season pretty much "permanently". Yes, I remember 9/11 and I went to the first Jays game after 9/11, but we all knew that things would start to ease up in a week after that horrible day.

As for this time period, we still do not know.

Pro sports are a lot more dangerous than other activities, because a lot of people are in contact, even without fans.

[MisterSG1]

The idea I'm saying, is that Americans generally don't like to follow rules when it is paramount to follow rules in this situation.

I traced this back to the founding of either country, "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" vs "Peace, order, and good government"

Those who disobey the order can have fines of $750,000 and/or six months in prison.

Yes, these quarantine rules are very serious.

I know, the 14 day quarantine within the states is laughingly enforced, so people probably don't take these things seriously. Although sometimes I wish I lived in Canada...

And that's the thing, if the orders are strongly enforced then maybe all of us could end this and get back to normal.

But as we see, we have people thinking that they should travel around the country during a pandemic. Which leads to more possibility of spread.

Just look at my previous posts on here, I'm perhaps the most pro-American Canadian poster on this forum. But when it comes to this virus, I am horribly disappointed. The border needs to remained closed until all the states can "shape up" and get the situation under control.

Things are NOT back to normal, none of the Big 4 sports leagues are running right now, yes technically only 1 is normally in operation at this point, but the NHL and NBA have not made concrete plans for a restart. Obviously, if pro sports, a place with big crowds can't restart, than why should people think that they have the right to go wherever they want in the country. For the record, only lockdowns and strikes have ever paused baseball, no events of war or natural disaster have effectively shut down the season pretty much "permanently". Yes, I remember 9/11 and I went to the first Jays game after 9/11, but we all knew that things would start to ease up in a week after that horrible day.

As for this time period, we still do not know.

Pro sports are a lot more dangerous than other activities, because a lot of people are in contact, even without fans.

Then where do you stand on theme parks, I hear the theme parks in Ohio plan to reopen next month. To me, a big crowd at this point is not a good idea.

[Roadgeekteen]

The idea I'm saying, is that Americans generally don't like to follow rules when it is paramount to follow rules in this situation.

I traced this back to the founding of either country, "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" vs "Peace, order, and good government"

Those who disobey the order can have fines of $750,000 and/or six months in prison.

Yes, these quarantine rules are very serious.

I know, the 14 day quarantine within the states is laughingly enforced, so people probably don't take these things seriously. Although sometimes I wish I lived in Canada...

And that's the thing, if the orders are strongly enforced then maybe all of us could end this and get back to normal.

But as we see, we have people thinking that they should travel around the country during a pandemic. Which leads to more possibility of spread.

Just look at my previous posts on here, I'm perhaps the most pro-American Canadian poster on this forum. But when it comes to this virus, I am horribly disappointed. The border needs to remained closed until all the states can "shape up" and get the situation under control.

Things are NOT back to normal, none of the Big 4 sports leagues are running right now, yes technically only 1 is normally in operation at this point, but the NHL and NBA have not made concrete plans for a restart. Obviously, if pro sports, a place with big crowds can't restart, than why should people think that they have the right to go wherever they want in the country. For the record, only lockdowns and strikes have ever paused baseball, no events of war or natural disaster have effectively shut down the season pretty much "permanently". Yes, I remember 9/11 and I went to the first Jays game after 9/11, but we all knew that things would start to ease up in a week after that horrible day.

As for this time period, we still do not know.

Pro sports are a lot more dangerous than other activities, because a lot of people are in contact, even without fans.

Then where do you stand on theme parks, I hear the theme parks in Ohio plan to reopen next month. To me, a big crowd at this point is not a good idea.

Are they opening with any capacity restrictions?

[MisterSG1]

Yes, with limited capacity using an online reservation system. From what I hear at Kings Island, the sister park of Canada's Wonderland outside Cincinnati, is that they are doing a pre-visit health screening and a temperature check before a guest can enter the park. While once inside, all guests must wear masks.

It does make me wonder though, suppose you have a roller coaster that has rows of 2 seats per row, at best you could only have 1 guest in a seat per every 2 rows of the ride. In essence, a ride operating at 25% capacity. Even with reduced capacity, it's difficult to fathom how exactly queues will work, considering everyone standing six feet apart....there will be many queues spilling out onto the midway with also possibly more contact from other passerbys.

I have a soft spot for the theme park industry in case you were wondering.

[oscar]

Oh, so you think it's ok to not follow the law regarding this incredibly serious situation?

No, but don't trust people to self isolate and follow rules. Make them fly to Alaska, flights are still running.

Where they'll encounter Alaska's own quarantine rules (though you can shorten that quarantine period by getting a negative test result soon before your departure, and again upon arrival).

The "Alaska loophole" for passage through Canada is news to me.

[MisterSG1]

This story angered me but here it is.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5610417

[noelbotevera]

I mean, I haven't done anything intensely stupid like go to a concert or whatever. I've kept my distance from people, I've worn masks where it's necessary. I've limited exposure by keeping trips short. I've slept in clean places - my home and a clean apartment. And so I've broken the quarantine rules. Great, I've broken the law - so have others on this forum who trespass on provincial/state property by exploring abandoned alignments or active construction sites.  I won't say I'm a saint, but I certainly haven't been the direct cause of undue harm.

Rhetoric implying that quarantine violators are equivalent to terrorists or serial killers is extreme. In other words: dude, chill.

For what it's worth, my family all tested negative.

[Roadgeekteen]

I mean, I haven't done anything intensely stupid like go to a concert or whatever. I've kept my distance from people, I've worn masks where it's necessary. I've limited exposure by keeping trips short. I've slept in clean places - my home and a clean apartment. And so I've broken the quarantine rules. Great, I've broken the law - so have others on this forum who trespass on provincial/state property by exploring abandoned alignments or active construction sites.  I won't say I'm a saint, but I certainly haven't been the direct cause of undue harm.

Rhetoric implying that quarantine violators are equivalent to terrorists or serial killers is extreme. In other words: dude, chill.

For what it's worth, my family all tested negative.

Wait how have you broken the law?

[vdeane]

Oh, so you think it's ok to not follow the law regarding this incredibly serious situation?

There's 100k cases in your state, 7 million people, around 1.4% of your population.

The province of Ontario isn't even at 0.5% yet, and our actions have caused the low infection rate.

Also, maybe not you, but I noticed that many Canadians are extremely condescending towards Americans lately. So much for being polite. According to them our country is burning down and Canada is some shinning beacon of hope. New Zealand would be the example.

Hospitality goes out the window real quick in a pandemic.  It's not even restricted to non-Canadians - driving in British Columbia with Alberta plates is a good way to get one's car vandalized.

It's worth noting that Canada's travel restrictions are more stringent than the ones in the US.  Border restrictions in the US are usually much looser and less enforced than their Canadian counterparts (Alaska and Hawaii being the main exceptions), where they even exist at all.

[Ketchup99]

Visiting old highway alignments and breaching quarantine laws are two very different things. In the middle of a pandemic, people need to show more than a whit of self control and selflessness so that people don't die. I hate it too. I've been sitting in State College for the past three months and have cabin fever to no end. Traveling sounds like a lovely idea. I would love to. But I'm temporarily putting my self-interest to the side so that seniors in this country don't die. Your desire to go drive around on some roads does not override the population's right to live. So just sit it out like everybody else, complain about how much it sucks, and help to be a part of the solution instead of the problem.

(This goes out to anyone ignoring quarantine rules because they want to travel.)

EDIT: Apologies to noel for saying he said he went to Canada. I could have sworn it said somewhere that he did but I was wrong. Sorry about that, I edited my post accordingly.

[Roadgeekteen]

@noel, visiting old highway alignments and breaching quarantine laws are two very different things. In the middle of a pandemic, people need to show more than a whit of self control and selflessness so that people don't die. I hate it too. I've been sitting in State College for the past three months and have cabin fever to no end. Going to Canada sounds like a lovely idea. I would love to. But I'm temporarily putting my self-interest to the side so that seniors in this country - and in Canada - don't die. Your desire to go drive around on some roads does not override Canada's right to sovereignty and their population's right to live. So just sit it out in Chambersburg like everybody else, complain about how much it sucks, and help to be a part of the solution instead of the problem.

He never went to Canada. Did he want to? He can't.

[Ketchup99]

@noel, visiting old highway alignments and breaching quarantine laws are two very different things. In the middle of a pandemic, people need to show more than a whit of self control and selflessness so that people don't die. I hate it too. I've been sitting in State College for the past three months and have cabin fever to no end. Going to Canada sounds like a lovely idea. I would love to. But I'm temporarily putting my self-interest to the side so that seniors in this country - and in Canada - don't die. Your desire to go drive around on some roads does not override Canada's right to sovereignty and their population's right to live. So just sit it out in Chambersburg like everybody else, complain about how much it sucks, and help to be a part of the solution instead of the problem.

He never went to Canada. Did he want to? He can't.

I could have sworn he said somewhere he did but looking back, he didn't. Sorry about that...

[webny99]

Obviously, international travel is restricted right now, but traveling unto itself is not really that big of an issue. It's certain types of activities that result from travel that could be problematic, like large gatherings. But driving around, seeing scenery and visiting parks, isn't going to cause spread of the virus as long as you keep your distance and take the proper precautions.