"Freeway Entrance" signage

Started by deathtopumpkins, June 16, 2020, 10:22:52 AM

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Scott5114

Quote from: jakeroot on June 17, 2020, 07:14:55 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2020, 05:21:13 PM
You know, from what I have been able to glance at from when I've passed by them, I think that may be actually be the exact wording used in Kansas. Or it could be closer to my version. Who knows?

I hope it's your version. At least yours is more of easter egg, not being any more readable from a car, but way funnier.

I was going to edit to add "WE ACTUALLY PAID SOMEONE ONCE TO MAKE SURE J.N. WINKLER DOESN'T FIND OUT TOO MUCH", but 1995hoo had already quoted my post. :P
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1995hoo

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 17, 2020, 07:14:55 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2020, 05:21:13 PM
You know, from what I have been able to glance at from when I've passed by them, I think that may be actually be the exact wording used in Kansas. Or it could be closer to my version. Who knows?

I hope it's your version. At least yours is more of easter egg, not being any more readable from a car, but way funnier.

I was going to edit to add "WE ACTUALLY PAID SOMEONE ONCE TO MAKE SURE J.N. WINKLER DOESN'T FIND OUT TOO MUCH", but 1995hoo had already quoted my post. :P

Your post makes me think of that South Park episode making fun of software license agreements for which everyone hits "accept" without reading them:

https://youtu.be/sglZGSwK6ow
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webny99

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
Kansas doesn't use a freeway entrance sign, but they do have a standard sign that is roughly

BUNCH OF STUFF THAT ISN'T ALLOWED THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO READ
BY PASSING THIS SIGN YOU AGREE TO SURRENDER YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL TO KDOT
DIAGRAMMATICS FOREVER, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE BIGGER THAN THE SIZE OF YOUR HOUSE
PARCELS CONTAINING ANYTHING LIQUID FRAGILE PERISHABLE OR POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS

PROHIBITED

that an astute driver will interpret as being a freeway entrance sign.

Here's a real life example. Not bad. Almost to scale, even.

Roadrunner75

Not a freeway entrance sign, but to go along with the No / Prohibited tangent, here's one of my favorite "NO" signs with illegible at highway speed text:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The top sign probably ends with "See attached sign for additional prohibitions".

Ben114

Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on June 17, 2020, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 09:09:16 AM
Quote from: roadman on June 16, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
The Freeway Entrance signs on I-395 in Massachusetts were a one-off and will not be repeated elsewhere in the state.

Where were these at? I was unaware MassDOT ever posted any..

Sutton Ave in Oxford (current exit 4).

https://goo.gl/maps/E9CGcmqtfCeukWq98
Holy oversized sign, Batman!

I'm disinclined to include these as an example though due to the weirdness of them. Sure they include the words "FREEWAY ENTRANCE", but they're a different size and style than the standard sign.


The standard Massachusetts version is less interesting.

TheHighwayMan3561

Minnesota used to use them, then mostly stopped, though they seemed to make a small comeback in pockets outside the metro for a time a few years ago. There are probably still a handful around. Here's what one looked like, though I'm not certain it's still there in this form. Standard practice is this assembly without the green sign.

https://goo.gl/maps/Jx9Vi4x9fiLmtz1a6
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Elm

There are some "Freeway Entrance"  signs around Colorado now, where I'd guess they're to contrast nearby surface street options or clarify a less typical ramp setup. I wouldn't consider them a regular occurrence, though, and the ones I know of are in the Denver metro.

The ones that first come to mind are around Hwy 58 at Washington Ave in Golden; the one for the ramp vs 7th St signs (StreetView) seems to have been the first at that interchange. There's also one at the Hwy 58 entrance from Easley Rd, here.

The other "Freeway Entrance"  signs I remember are Youngfield St to EB I-70 and Lower Colfax Ave to SB I-25.

Flint1979

Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
List is now up to:

  • California
  • Washington
  • Nevada
  • Oregon
  • New Mexico
  • Illinois
  • West Virginia
  • Wisconsin
  • Montana
  • Michigan
  • Colorado (one example that has since been removed)
  • North Carolina
  • Utah
  • Texas
  • British Columbia (black/white)
  • New York
  • Connecticut
  • Indiana
  • Massachusetts (oversized, essentially exit gore signs)
Michigan might have a handful of them but they are not the norm in the state. A freeway entrance sign in Michigan is a black and white sign that says MOTOR VEHICLES ONLY.

deathtopumpkins

Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2020, 09:35:10 AM
Michigan might have a handful of them but they are not the norm in the state. A freeway entrance sign in Michigan is a black and white sign that says MOTOR VEHICLES ONLY.

I understand Michigan doesn't use them consistently. You've said that at least three times now. Plenty of other states on that list also don't use them consistently.

As I said in the OP, I'm interested in both states that use them consistently, and random one-off instances. For the purposes of this thread I'm not interested in the prohibition signs though. I just wanted to compile a list of states where the green freeway entrance signs have appeared at least once.
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mrsman

Quote from: Ben114 on June 17, 2020, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on June 17, 2020, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 17, 2020, 09:09:16 AM
Quote from: roadman on June 16, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
The Freeway Entrance signs on I-395 in Massachusetts were a one-off and will not be repeated elsewhere in the state.

Where were these at? I was unaware MassDOT ever posted any..

Sutton Ave in Oxford (current exit 4).

https://goo.gl/maps/E9CGcmqtfCeukWq98
Holy oversized sign, Batman!

I'm disinclined to include these as an example though due to the weirdness of them. Sure they include the words "FREEWAY ENTRANCE", but they're a different size and style than the standard sign.


The standard Massachusetts version is less interesting.

This is actually quite good and you can see this at highway speed, better than the "prohibited" signs mentioned earlier.


Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 18, 2020, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2020, 09:35:10 AM
Michigan might have a handful of them but they are not the norm in the state. A freeway entrance sign in Michigan is a black and white sign that says MOTOR VEHICLES ONLY.

I understand Michigan doesn't use them consistently. You've said that at least three times now. Plenty of other states on that list also don't use them consistently.

As I said in the OP, I'm interested in both states that use them consistently, and random one-off instances. For the purposes of this thread I'm not interested in the prohibition signs though. I just wanted to compile a list of states where the green freeway entrance signs have appeared at least once.

A list like that will be good to have, but I wonder if you can keep track on your list of which states have them at nearly every entrance (CA,WA), states that have a frequent appearance of the sign statewide, states with frequent appearance in certain regions of the state, states with an occasional appearance, and states that have only one confirmed case.  That way people can be clear that if someone found an isolated example, it is not representative of the state as a whole.

The prohibition signs are far more  common than the green entrance signs.  To the extent those are used in place of freeway entrance - great, but there are probably quite a few legal expressways that we would not consider freeways that provide for similar prohibitions because of high speed traffic.

sprjus4

Quote from: mrsman on June 18, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
This is actually quite good and you can see this at highway speed, better than the "prohibited" signs mentioned earlier.
Don't know why it would need to be seen at highway speed... the signs are prohibiting pedestrians, bicycles, and other motorized vehicles. Those are the users the signs are directed to, not vehicles.

Roadrunner75

Quote from: mrsman on June 18, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
The prohibition signs are far more  common than the green entrance signs.  To the extent those are used in place of freeway entrance - great, but there are probably quite a few legal expressways that we would not consider freeways that provide for similar prohibitions because of high speed traffic.
Like this one in NJ:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1983812,-74.7528755,3a,57.5y,9.83h,92t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skgykMrewzLKnRHKAkgvEag!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DkgykMrewzLKnRHKAkgvEag%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D119.61754%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Even still has the "No horses" in there and specifically calls out what is not technically a freeway as such (although most people probably wouldn't know the difference here anyway)....


kphoger

Quote from: sprjus4 on June 18, 2020, 06:48:16 PM

Quote from: mrsman on June 18, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
This is actually quite good and you can see this at highway speed, better than the "prohibited" signs mentioned earlier.

Don't know why it would need to be seen at highway speed... the signs are prohibiting pedestrians, bicycles, and other motorized vehicles. Those are the users the signs are directed to, not vehicles.

But you can only know that if you've already read the signs.  How do drivers know the signs don't apply to them?
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jakeroot

Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 17, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Not a freeway entrance sign, but to go along with the No / Prohibited tangent, here's one of my favorite "NO" signs with illegible at highway speed text:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The top sign probably ends with "See attached sign for additional prohibitions".

That's fucking insulting.

webny99

Quote from: jakeroot on June 18, 2020, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 17, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Not a freeway entrance sign, but to go along with the No / Prohibited tangent, here's one of my favorite "NO" signs with illegible at highway speed text:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The top sign probably ends with "See attached sign for additional prohibitions".
That's fucking insulting.

However, it appears to pertain to the property adjacent to the road, not the road itself.

mapman1071

Quote from: webny99 on June 16, 2020, 11:37:22 AM
Cross New York off the list. I wish we used them, but nope.
Li Parkways use "Parkway Entrance" Signs

mapman1071

Arizona Uses Freeway Entrance Signs on I-8 In Yuma County and I-10 In La Paz County (Formally part of Yuma County Before 1983), do not know if used on I-40 in Mohave County.

Roadrunner75

Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2020, 10:57:54 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 18, 2020, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 17, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Not a freeway entrance sign, but to go along with the No / Prohibited tangent, here's one of my favorite "NO" signs with illegible at highway speed text:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The top sign probably ends with "See attached sign for additional prohibitions".
That's fucking insulting.

However, it appears to pertain to the property adjacent to the road, not the road itself.
It pertains to anywhere in Manchester Township.  I think there's another identical "NO" sign on the other end of the township along Route 70 as well.

Rothman

NYSDOT installed freeway entrance signs at Exit 3 on the Northway.  Much larger than CA's signs.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

STLmapboy

Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 17, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Not a freeway entrance sign, but to go along with the No / Prohibited tangent, here's one of my favorite "NO" signs with illegible at highway speed text:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9503672,-74.4810237,3a,28.3y,123.74h,88.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfjOPPeHBHXhHDQXT91vJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The top sign probably ends with "See attached sign for additional prohibitions".

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jakeroot

Quote from: bcroadguy on June 24, 2020, 10:14:18 PM
BC also has two white on green Freeway Entrance signs that I know of:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2837942,-123.0313954,3a,49.5y,25.77h,80.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZO-2tyY5kQ1eQPZIZ6_yqA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2805976,-123.0316306,3a,16.7y,237.16h,91.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjTkQpWB1VbxsE_bBX6s5cQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Dammit! I knew there were white on green FREEWAY ENTRANCE signs somewhere in Vancouver but couldn't recall where. I guess having it at the Cassiar makes sense, since it looks like a boulevard. And it sort of is, although only for about 300m between Hastings and Bridgeway.

mcmc

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Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on June 16, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
NY recently required them where entrance & exit ramps are adjacent as part of their wrong-way driving countermeasures at exit ramp termini.

From what I recall reading ages ago, the Freeway Entrance sign was originally created at the same time as and as a counterpart to the Wrong Way sign. Both were created for precisely this application on entrance and exit ramps. I believe it was Caltrans that created both. It makes sense: The white-on-green Freeway Entrance sign is the same size and conveys the opposite meaning of the white-on-red Wrong Way sign.

Here's what a quick Google search turned up (see page 7):
http://www.ce.siue.edu/faculty/hzhou/ww/PREVENTION-OF-WRONGWAY-ACCIDENTS-ON-FREEWAYS.pdf

There's probably someone on here who can give a proper accounting of the history (or correct my telling).

ilpt4u

#73
Quote from: mcmc on June 28, 2020, 04:30:37 AM
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on June 16, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
NY recently required them where entrance & exit ramps are adjacent as part of their wrong-way driving countermeasures at exit ramp termini.

From what I recall reading ages ago, the Freeway Entrance sign was originally created at the same time as and as a counterpart to the Wrong Way sign. Both were created for precisely this application on entrance and exit ramps. I believe it was Caltrans that created both. It makes sense: The white-on-green Freeway Entrance sign is the same size and conveys the opposite meaning of the white-on-red Wrong Way sign.

Here's what a quick Google search turned up (see page 7):
http://www.ce.siue.edu/faculty/hzhou/ww/PREVENTION-OF-WRONGWAY-ACCIDENTS-ON-FREEWAYS.pdf

There's probably someone on here who can give a proper accounting of the history (or correct my telling).
That explanation makes sense as to why IDOT uses them on Folded Diamonds and RIROs. D1 seems to be the only IDOT District that doesn't utilize them at Folded Diamonds. I found examples across the rest of the state at Folded Diamonds and RIROs

I am a little surprised ISTHA hasn't made a "Tollway Entrance" variant for their Folded Diamonds and Trumpets

jakeroot

Quote from: mcmc on June 28, 2020, 04:30:37 AM
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on June 16, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
NY recently required them where entrance & exit ramps are adjacent as part of their wrong-way driving countermeasures at exit ramp termini.

From what I recall reading ages ago, the Freeway Entrance sign was originally created at the same time as and as a counterpart to the Wrong Way sign. Both were created for precisely this application on entrance and exit ramps. I believe it was Caltrans that created both. It makes sense: The white-on-green Freeway Entrance sign is the same size and conveys the opposite meaning of the white-on-red Wrong Way sign.

Here's what a quick Google search turned up (see page 7):
http://www.ce.siue.edu/faculty/hzhou/ww/PREVENTION-OF-WRONGWAY-ACCIDENTS-ON-FREEWAYS.pdf

There's probably someone on here who can give a proper accounting of the history (or correct my telling).

It seems you're onto something there. Page 7 reads that the FREEWAY ENTRANCE sign was added as a national standard in 1967. My grandparents, who've been driving in WA for longer than freeways have existed, do not recall ever not seeing them. In the states that religiously use them, they appear to have been the standard for a long time.



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