States that ignore MUTCD and go beyond

Started by roadman65, February 15, 2023, 03:58:18 PM

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One could also reasonably argue that, thanks to the commercial vehicles restriction on the Northern Parkway, signing I-495 West with NYC as the control city is beneficial for trucks and the like.
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ran4sh

In that kind of scenario, the best thing to do is usually use the major control city (New York) on the major route (the Interstate and also the route that permits trucks), with the parkway using some kind of local control point. Such as Queens or Jamaica, but people more familiar with that area might have a better suggestion.

So for that reason, I don't think they're going "beyond" the MUTCD. I think MUTCD practice would be an improvement.
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Control cities should be actual cities/places that travelers are trying to reach.

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Quote from: epzik8 on February 21, 2023, 11:01:49 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 15, 2023, 03:58:18 PM
NJ Turnpike paints lane striping with longer than MUTD maximum.

This is typical of a lot of turnpikes in the country. It's also the case on the Pennsylvania Turnpike.

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mrsman

Quote from: ran4sh on December 01, 2023, 02:41:51 AM
In that kind of scenario, the best thing to do is usually use the major control city (New York) on the major route (the Interstate and also the route that permits trucks), with the parkway using some kind of local control point. Such as Queens or Jamaica, but people more familiar with that area might have a better suggestion.

So for that reason, I don't think they're going "beyond" the MUTCD. I think MUTCD practice would be an improvement.

Both roads go to New York.  Both roads are largely parallel and in close proximity, so there is no intermediate destination that one goes to that the other does not go to until you are within NYC limits.

I would not change anything about the control cities used here.

In other situations, where two roads both end up in the same place, often times there are reasons to differentiate.  One example that comes to mind is 5/170 split north of L.A., in the San Fernando Valley.  While both roads do lead toward Downtown LA, the signage indicates I-5 L.A. and 170 to Hollywood as a way of making the distinction.  IMO, I would sign I-5 as Burbank/L.A. and 170 as Hollywood/L.A. to distinguish between the two routes, but still indicating tha both roads do indeed lead to Downtown LA, despite the requirements of the MUTCD.

More on this specific issue is discussed in this thread:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33617.0





roadman65



I believe the MUTCD doesn't like different control cities used on different guides for the same Exit.

I-95 SB near St. Augustine.
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Supposed to have consistent message thru the sign sequence for an exit. My guess here is the State decided to revise the destinations for that exit and replaced one sign but not the other (yet). That Nocatee destination in the second photo looks like greenout.

roadman65

NCDOT is guilty of not following the keeping of sequence of signs for the destinations.

At Kenly, NC the guides on I-95 NB for US 301 keep Kenly and Wilson as constant control cities but one guide also adds Lacamara as well. On I-95 SB the City of Kenly is a constant as one of the two guides has Lucamara on it. 

I believe that addition was an attempt to have a supplemental guide without adding a new sign. They just inserted that place on just one sign each way instead.

NJ Turnpike at Exit 7A used Trenton and Shore Points as controls for I-195, but one of the guides leading up to the ramp would also include Hamilton as well. The NJTA did that at other places where one guide would feature another place of interest that wasn't consistent on all guides as well.
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A recent local find:


  • Oversize Do Not Enter sign
  • "WRONG WAY" on the same pole (not that uncommon, but still disallowed)
  • Extra Keep Right plaque (was exclusive to the 1971 MUTCD)
  • Erroneous object marker indicating traffic passes on both sides

And what's important enough to need this? Turns out, a 300ft median on a dead-end rural road serving 10 houses.



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