Control cities that aren’t reciprocated

Started by KCRoadFan, October 10, 2024, 11:53:45 PM

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Bitmapped

In Maryland:
* I-68 westbound has Frostburg as the control city leaving Cumberland. It is skipped over for Cumberland heading eastbound.

In Ohio:
* I-77 southbound leaving Cleveland has Akron, then Canton, then Marietta. Northbound, Cleveland is used for everything north of Marietta.


TheCatalyst31

I-41 in Wisconsin is technically an example of this, but it's an odd one. NB I-41 uses Green Bay as far south as the US 45 interchange in Oshkosh. SB I-41 in Green Bay just doesn't put a control city on its pull-through signs: see the I-43 interchange, the WIS 32 interchange, and the WIS 172 interchange. The intersecting highways use Appleton for SB I-41 (WIS 172 example), which still isn't Oshkosh.

roadman65

I-78 in NJ uses Clinton WB from Newark west, but west of Clinton for I-78 EB either Newark or New York is used skipping Clinton all together.
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jeffandnicole

Maryland:  Uses New York.  Ignores everything southbound from New York.

PNWRoadgeek

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Quote from: US 89 on October 12, 2024, 01:08:26 AMI-80 west from Salt Lake City uses Reno on most signs, but go out to Reno and look back east and all you'll see are signs for Elko.
I get this because Elko is growing, SLC is quite far away, and Nevada wanting to sign a Nevada thing. I would prefer SLC though, especially considering that Utah signs Reno from SLC.
I-80 east used to be signed for "Salt Lake" within Reno. Those signs were replaced and control city changed to "Elko" sometime in the 2000s or early 2010s (those were some of the last surviving dark green porcelain signs left in Nevada).

At least according a website I recall seeing years ago that had reproduced an 'official' control cities list (maybe from AASHTO or FHWA?) from years past, Elko should have been signed all along.


This is supposed to be the most up to date list, but in reality it's missing quite a bit (I.e. mostly the new interstates like 14, parts of 26, 41, 42, extensions of 49 and 69, 68, 99, and a few others) ... https://transportation.org/traffic/resources/interstate-control-cities/
It's kinda strange to me that Strasburg is listed as a control city for I-66, pretty sure it's just Front Royal, Manassas, and D.C currently listed. I'm pretty sure the only place I've seen Strasburg signed is as the second line on mileage signs.

Another one that Oregon does:

EB I-84: Portland > The Dalles
WB I-84: Pendleton > Portland(The Dalles is sometimes listed, but as a secondary)
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Henry

At the western end of I-70 in Cove Fort, UT, Denver (along with Richfield) appears on EB signs, but in Denver itself, Grand Junction is the WB control city. (In fact, UT signs a bunch of small towns on its part of the Interstate such as Green River, Salina and Crescent Junction, so Grand Junction is the last major destination along that route.)
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US 89

Crescent Junction is not even a town - it's a road junction with one off-brand gas station.

In general, the control points used on I-70 in Utah are Las Vegas (or "To Jct I-15), Richfield, Salina, Green River, and Grand Junction. A few others like Crescent Jct or the occasional Denver do slip in on occasion.

Vaulter

Concord NH is used on I-93 right after you leave Boston. In Concord the southbound control cities are Manchester and Laconia.

hobsini2

Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on October 13, 2024, 07:19:15 PMI-41 in Wisconsin is technically an example of this, but it's an odd one. NB I-41 uses Green Bay as far south as the US 45 interchange in Oshkosh. SB I-41 in Green Bay just doesn't put a control city on its pull-through signs: see the I-43 interchange, the WIS 32 interchange, and the WIS 172 interchange. The intersecting highways use Appleton for SB I-41 (WIS 172 example), which still isn't Oshkosh.
I was just up there on Sunday. I am surprised on the pull through signs it just says 41 South. No mention of even Appleton when there is plenty of room to put it on the sign. BTW, the old signage (early 2000s) on US 41 at entrance ramps did say Oshkosh in the Appleton area and then Milwaukee in the Oshkosh area.
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roadman65




I said this before, but the proof is in the photos.  ( Lol)

Top pic is taken in Hooker, GA outside Chattanooga.
Bottom is in Birmingham, AL, however uses Gadsden instead, but gets to Chattanooga after Gadsden.
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KCRoadFan

Quote from: Henry on October 14, 2024, 11:07:37 PMAt the western end of I-70 in Cove Fort, UT, Denver (along with Richfield) appears on EB signs, but in Denver itself, Grand Junction is the WB control city. (In fact, UT signs a bunch of small towns on its part of the Interstate such as Green River, Salina and Crescent Junction, so Grand Junction is the last major destination along that route.)

Given the trajectory of the west end of I-70 in Utah, the control city west of Grand Junction should just be Vegas, in my opinion. What do you think?

US 89

A large fraction, maybe over half (I'd have to check the AADT figures), of westbound I-70 exits at US 6 to go towards Salt Lake. So putting Vegas on signs at Grand Junction probably isn't a great idea considering Vegas more or less means "away from Salt Lake" in most of Utah.

hobsini2

Quote from: US 89 on October 26, 2024, 05:25:49 PMA large fraction, maybe over half (I'd have to check the AADT figures), of westbound I-70 exits at US 6 to go towards Salt Lake. So putting Vegas on signs at Grand Junction probably isn't a great idea considering Vegas more or less means "away from Salt Lake" in most of Utah.
I could see a mileage sign or 2 that would use both Salt Lake and Las Vegas. Once past the 6 cutoff, then sign 70 as Las Vegas as the primary and St George as the secondary since a lot of people would head for Zion National Park from there.
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JayhawkCO

Quote from: hobsini2 on October 29, 2024, 07:52:32 AM
Quote from: US 89 on October 26, 2024, 05:25:49 PMA large fraction, maybe over half (I'd have to check the AADT figures), of westbound I-70 exits at US 6 to go towards Salt Lake. So putting Vegas on signs at Grand Junction probably isn't a great idea considering Vegas more or less means "away from Salt Lake" in most of Utah.
I could see a mileage sign or 2 that would use both Salt Lake and Las Vegas. Once past the 6 cutoff, then sign 70 as Las Vegas as the primary and St George as the secondary since a lot of people would head for Zion National Park from there.

And St. George is a pretty sizeable city itself nowadays.

roadman65

Salt Lake and Cheyenne on I-80.
Cheyenne is used in Salt Lake, but Laramie is used in Cheyenne.
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plain

Richmond is posted on BGSs in Chesapeake, Hampton, and Newport News.

None of those cities are mentioned on any guide sign in the Richmond area.
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JustDrive

WB CA 60 in Riverside is signed for Los Angeles, but EB CA 60 is signed for Pomona

SB CA 14 in Mojave is signed for Los Angeles, but NB CA 14 is signed for Palmdale/Lancaster

NB I-15 starting at CA 91 is signed for Barstow, but Barstow is not used as a control city on SB I-15 at all (in Nevada, it's L.A. and in California it's San Bernardino)

CA 58 is signed for Bakersfield all the way in Barstow, but in Bakersfield, it's signed for Tehachapi and Mojave.

MikieTimT

Quote from: ilpt4u on October 11, 2024, 01:48:45 PMNo mention of Chicago on I-55 in Memphis. We all know I-57 south is famously signed for Memphis at its origin at the south end of the Dan Ryan Expressway/I-94 in Chicago

Maybe now that I-57 is in the process of getting signed between Little Rock and Walnut Ridge, this might change at some point in the next couple of decades when I-57 gets fully built out between Walnut Ridge and Poplar Bluff.

Any wagers as to what Arkansas uses for a control city on their I-40 BGS for I-57 once they get around to installing signage?

hbelkins

Quote from: MikieTimT on December 10, 2024, 12:41:23 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 11, 2024, 01:48:45 PMNo mention of Chicago on I-55 in Memphis. We all know I-57 south is famously signed for Memphis at its origin at the south end of the Dan Ryan Expressway/I-94 in Chicago

Maybe now that I-57 is in the process of getting signed between Little Rock and Walnut Ridge, this might change at some point in the next couple of decades when I-57 gets fully built out between Walnut Ridge and Poplar Bluff.

Any wagers as to what Arkansas uses for a control city on their I-40 BGS for I-57 once they get around to installing signage?

There's some signage in Arkansas along the US 67 freeway for St. Louis.
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roadman65

Quote from: hbelkins on December 10, 2024, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on December 10, 2024, 12:41:23 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 11, 2024, 01:48:45 PMNo mention of Chicago on I-55 in Memphis. We all know I-57 south is famously signed for Memphis at its origin at the south end of the Dan Ryan Expressway/I-94 in Chicago

Maybe now that I-57 is in the process of getting signed between Little Rock and Walnut Ridge, this might change at some point in the next couple of decades when I-57 gets fully built out between Walnut Ridge and Poplar Bluff.

Any wagers as to what Arkansas uses for a control city on their I-40 BGS for I-57 once they get around to installing signage?

There's some signage in Arkansas along the US 67 freeway for St. Louis.

But currently US 67 goes to St. Louis.
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Quote from: hobsini2 on October 29, 2024, 07:52:32 AM
Quote from: US 89 on October 26, 2024, 05:25:49 PMA large fraction, maybe over half (I'd have to check the AADT figures), of westbound I-70 exits at US 6 to go towards Salt Lake. So putting Vegas on signs at Grand Junction probably isn't a great idea considering Vegas more or less means "away from Salt Lake" in most of Utah.
I could see a mileage sign or 2 that would use both Salt Lake and Las Vegas. Once past the 6 cutoff, then sign 70 as Las Vegas as the primary and St George as the secondary since a lot of people would head for Zion National Park from there.

Up to about 10-15 years ago, Las Vegas was used as the bottom-most destination on a few three-city mileage signs west of Grand Junction in CO. Vegas has since been replaced with I-15 mileage (via Cove Fort).

Oddly enough, there has never been any mileage signs in far western Colorado for Salt Lake City, despite the odds that more long-distance travelers will head towards
Salt Lake than Vegas. 

And even then, the existing mileage signs on I-70 to I-15 is misleading for those catching I-15 via US-6 toward Salt Lake. So in a sense, CDOT should just use Richfield or Cove Fort, Utah for the 3rd control city instead of I-15, as Green River is already the first Utah destination on CDOT mileage signs.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: thenetwork on December 10, 2024, 08:06:33 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 29, 2024, 07:52:32 AM
Quote from: US 89 on October 26, 2024, 05:25:49 PMA large fraction, maybe over half (I'd have to check the AADT figures), of westbound I-70 exits at US 6 to go towards Salt Lake. So putting Vegas on signs at Grand Junction probably isn't a great idea considering Vegas more or less means "away from Salt Lake" in most of Utah.
I could see a mileage sign or 2 that would use both Salt Lake and Las Vegas. Once past the 6 cutoff, then sign 70 as Las Vegas as the primary and St George as the secondary since a lot of people would head for Zion National Park from there.

Up to about 10-15 years ago, Las Vegas was used as the bottom-most destination on a few three-city mileage signs west of Grand Junction in CO. Vegas has since been replaced with I-15 mileage (via Cove Fort).

Oddly enough, there has never been any mileage signs in far western Colorado for Salt Lake City, despite the odds that more long-distance travelers will head towards
Salt Lake than Vegas. 

And even then, the existing mileage signs on I-70 to I-15 is misleading for those catching I-15 via US-6 toward Salt Lake. So in a sense, CDOT should just use Richfield or Cove Fort, Utah for the 3rd control city instead of I-15, as Green River is already the first Utah destination on CDOT mileage signs.
Past US 6 no reason not to use Las Vegas on the bottom line of signs. Cove Fort has about as many people as my High School graduating class.
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US 89

I'll say this, "Jct I-15" is a far better control point than "Cove Fort". Even within Utah, not a lot of people know where Cove Fort is or could point to it on a map.

Rothman

Quote from: US 89 on December 14, 2024, 12:47:54 PMI'll say this, "Jct I-15" is a far better control point than "Cove Fort". Even within Utah, not a lot of people know where Cove Fort is or could point to it on a map.

As a Mormon, I find a lack of awareness of Cove Fort to be a "you problem" rather than public one.
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