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Started by FLRoads, January 20, 2009, 04:01:44 PM

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74/171FAN

On VA 156 NB at I-295 north of Richmond Int'l Airport, I would call the "TO' banner swaps avoidable errors. (All signs posted for comparison purposes though are not all errors)

VA 156 NORTH AT I-295 SOUTH (3) by Mark Moore, on Flickr

VA 156 NORTH AT I-295 SOUTH (4) by Mark Moore, on Flickr

VA 156 NORTH AT I-295 NORTH (1) by Mark Moore, on Flickr

VA 156 NORTH AT I-295 NORTH (2) by Mark Moore, on Flickr

VA 156 NORTH AT I-295 NORTH (3) by Mark Moore, on Flickr
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wanderer2575

Sort of an erroneous sign because it's in an erroneous location:  This is the eastern junction of M-26 with M-38 near unincorporated Greenland.  M-38 comes in from the left (south) and then continues westerly with M-26.  The duplex confirmation assembly is posted before the junction.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/qmfK7iLbBUUiLgT59

freebrickproductions

Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 05, 2025, 11:32:48 AMSort of an erroneous sign because it's in an erroneous location:  This is the eastern junction of M-26 with M-38 near unincorporated Greenland.  M-38 comes in from the left (south) and then continues westerly with M-26.  The duplex confirmation assembly is posted before the junction.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/qmfK7iLbBUUiLgT59
Seen that here in Huntsville as well:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7145015,-86.5911492,3a,15y,21.69h,86.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1saYr7QRNHQmIXWcFawY72AQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.274597945694339%26panoid%3DaYr7QRNHQmIXWcFawY72AQ%26yaw%3D21.685723713308832!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

The US 231/US 431 multiplex doesn't begin until the intersection with Governors Drive, the next intersection/overpass north. At the spot the sign is posted, Memorial Parkway only carries US 231.
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74/171FAN

#5553
I think the SOUTH banner here should be a NORTH banner. (on SR 611 NB at SR 633 in Fairfax County, VA)

SR 611 NORTH AT SR 633 NORTH (2) by Mark Moore, on Flickr

One of these signs on MD 924 south of Bel Air is wrong

MD 924 NORTH NEAR HOLLY WREATH CT AND HOLLY WREATH DR by Mark Moore, on Flickr

MD 924 NORTH AT HOLLY WREATH CT AND HOLLY WREATH DR by Mark Moore, on Flickr
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Sapphuby

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vxDAVW4C4sh65F7UA?g_st=ac found another shining case of a backwards sign, this time in Mount Sterling. I drove by this today while clinching new routes and saw it and instantly remembered the 12th street one I posted some time ago, but didn't have time to snap a picture, since I needed to get home soon.

Rothman

Strange how common that error is.
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: Rothman on January 13, 2025, 06:07:39 PMStrange how common that error is.

I've seen it with S-type curve signs, where the first curve goes the opposite direction of reality.  Of course, when I did post that somewhere, I'm called out being told "No, they're generic signs".  No, they have both starting curves (left and right), but of course I can't win then feel like an ass for even trying.

But I digress...


pderocco

Quote from: Sapphuby on January 13, 2025, 05:55:12 PMhttps://maps.app.goo.gl/vxDAVW4C4sh65F7UA?g_st=ac found another shining case of a backwards sign, this time in Mount Sterling. I drove by this today while clinching new routes and saw it and instantly remembered the 12th street one I posted some time ago, but didn't have time to snap a picture, since I needed to get home soon.
I wonder if there's the opposite error coming the other way. That would be easier to explain.

Sapphuby

Quote from: pderocco on January 13, 2025, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: Sapphuby on January 13, 2025, 05:55:12 PMhttps://maps.app.goo.gl/vxDAVW4C4sh65F7UA?g_st=ac found another shining case of a backwards sign, this time in Mount Sterling. I drove by this today while clinching new routes and saw it and instantly remembered the 12th street one I posted some time ago, but didn't have time to snap a picture, since I needed to get home soon.
I wonder if there's the opposite error coming the other way. That would be easier to explain.

Quick browse on Google Maps says no. I didn't see one either from my mirrors while driving, so my best guess is there isn't an opposite sign, which makes this even weirder.


Big John

^^ and not a business route.

pderocco

Here's one from my neck of the woods:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q32dUmbFquyQSCaE8

There are several of these along a business route that connects the end of CA-54 up to I-8 through El Cajon. This should be signed either as a business spur for CA-54 or I-8, but if the former, it shouldn't have an interstate shaped shield.

I suspect that this may be an unofficial business route signed by the local yokels without Caltrans approval.

ClassicHasClass

Quote from: pderocco on January 15, 2025, 10:34:32 PMHere's one from my neck of the woods:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q32dUmbFquyQSCaE8

There are several of these along a business route that connects the end of CA-54 up to I-8 through El Cajon. This should be signed either as a business spur for CA-54 or I-8, but if the former, it shouldn't have an interstate shaped shield.

I suspect that this may be an unofficial business route signed by the local yokels without Caltrans approval.


That's exactly what it is. There are no PROPERTY STATE OF CALIFORNIA decals on them either, so they're almost certainly city signs, especially since there are none of them outside the city limits.

kphoger

Quote from: ClassicHasClass on January 16, 2025, 11:39:44 AMThere are no PROPERTY STATE OF CALIFORNIA decals on them either, so they're almost certainly city signs, especially since there are none of them outside the city limits.

Poking around GSV, I see the decals that are on the back are the same as the ones found on city street STOP signs.  So I assume that confirms that they're city signs.
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pderocco

Quote from: ClassicHasClass on January 16, 2025, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: pderocco on January 15, 2025, 10:34:32 PMHere's one from my neck of the woods:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q32dUmbFquyQSCaE8

There are several of these along a business route that connects the end of CA-54 up to I-8 through El Cajon. This should be signed either as a business spur for CA-54 or I-8, but if the former, it shouldn't have an interstate shaped shield.

I suspect that this may be an unofficial business route signed by the local yokels without Caltrans approval.


That's exactly what it is. There are no PROPERTY STATE OF CALIFORNIA decals on them either, so they're almost certainly city signs, especially since there are none of them outside the city limits.

Seems kind of pointless. If the purpose is to encourage traffic to divert through a locality, you need signs outside it, e.g., on I-8. Once you're on the road, it's pretty obvious that it's full of businesses.

mrsman

Quote from: pderocco on January 16, 2025, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on January 16, 2025, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: pderocco on January 15, 2025, 10:34:32 PMHere's one from my neck of the woods:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q32dUmbFquyQSCaE8

There are several of these along a business route that connects the end of CA-54 up to I-8 through El Cajon. This should be signed either as a business spur for CA-54 or I-8, but if the former, it shouldn't have an interstate shaped shield.

I suspect that this may be an unofficial business route signed by the local yokels without Caltrans approval.


That's exactly what it is. There are no PROPERTY STATE OF CALIFORNIA decals on them either, so they're almost certainly city signs, especially since there are none of them outside the city limits.

Seems kind of pointless. If the purpose is to encourage traffic to divert through a locality, you need signs outside it, e.g., on I-8. Once you're on the road, it's pretty obvious that it's full of businesses.

It seems like this is part of the legacy of the relinquishment of CA-54 in the area.  CA-54 once extended up to i-8, but like many state highways within city limits, it is now relinquished.  As with so many highway relinquishments in CA, there are always issues about maintaining the signage for navigation purposes.  Caltrans removes its highway shields, since the road is no longer under state maintenance, but at the same time makes it much harder for the average driver who simply wants to drive on what was once 54, maybe to reach South Bay communities and bypass central San Diego.

So yes, the business interstate route shield is incorrect.  But some other shield probably should be used, since marking these roads is helpful to the driving public.

In this case, since Jamacha Blvd between 125 and 94 is not marked as 54 anymore, and it is likely that the remaining 54 between 94 and El Cajon will soon be decomissioned as well, that the whole road between 125 and I-8 should just be labelled as county S17.  To the extent Caltrans still maintains part of the roadway in the Rancho San Diego area, that roadway can be dual labelled as CA-54 and County S17.

kphoger

Quote from: mrsman on January 17, 2025, 12:58:58 PMBut some other shield probably should be used, since marking these roads is helpful to the driving public.

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mrsman

#5567
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2025, 01:10:39 PM
Quote from: mrsman on January 17, 2025, 12:58:58 PMBut some other shield probably should be used, since marking these roads is helpful to the driving public.



That's beautiful and would certainly be wonderful to have on the many Caltrans decommissioned highways.

And it would be nice (to keep Caltrans happy) to also include a sign that says "maintained by city of El Cajon" or "county of San Diego" as appropriate so nobody assumes it is a state highway.  [It seems Caltrans is very concerned that they should not be blamed for highways that aren't on their maintenance roll.]

pderocco

Quote from: mrsman on January 17, 2025, 12:58:58 PMIn this case, since Jamacha Blvd between 125 and 94 is not marked as 54 anymore, and it is likely that the remaining 54 between 94 and El Cajon will soon be decomissioned as well, that the whole road between 125 and I-8 should just be labelled as county S17.  To the extent Caltrans still maintains part of the roadway in the Rancho San Diego area, that roadway can be dual labelled as CA-54 and County S17.
Google has been labeling it as S17 all the way up to I-8 since forever. You have to zoom way in before you see it.

ClassicHasClass

Quote from: pderocco on January 17, 2025, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: mrsman on January 17, 2025, 12:58:58 PMIn this case, since Jamacha Blvd between 125 and 94 is not marked as 54 anymore, and it is likely that the remaining 54 between 94 and El Cajon will soon be decomissioned as well, that the whole road between 125 and I-8 should just be labelled as county S17.  To the extent Caltrans still maintains part of the roadway in the Rancho San Diego area, that roadway can be dual labelled as CA-54 and County S17.
Google has been labeling it as S17 all the way up to I-8 since forever. You have to zoom way in before you see it.

There's an SDCo S17 "turns right" trailblazer on Jamacha Blvd coming in from La Presa at the CA 94 junction, but I don't think I've ever seen any others actually posted east of that point, even on the portion outside of El Cajon. Similarly, while S17 is still fairly well signed in La Presa, I think there was maybe one in Bonita. It's certainly one of SDCDPW's more poorly signed routes and I think they really only think of it as a connector between the two halves of CA 54 now (notwithstanding the definition on the books).

pderocco

Quote from: ClassicHasClass on January 17, 2025, 05:38:27 PM
Quote from: pderocco on January 17, 2025, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: mrsman on January 17, 2025, 12:58:58 PMIn this case, since Jamacha Blvd between 125 and 94 is not marked as 54 anymore, and it is likely that the remaining 54 between 94 and El Cajon will soon be decomissioned as well, that the whole road between 125 and I-8 should just be labelled as county S17.  To the extent Caltrans still maintains part of the roadway in the Rancho San Diego area, that roadway can be dual labelled as CA-54 and County S17.
Google has been labeling it as S17 all the way up to I-8 since forever. You have to zoom way in before you see it.

There's an SDCo S17 "turns right" trailblazer on Jamacha Blvd coming in from La Presa at the CA 94 junction, but I don't think I've ever seen any others actually posted east of that point, even on the portion outside of El Cajon. Similarly, while S17 is still fairly well signed in La Presa, I think there was maybe one in Bonita. It's certainly one of SDCDPW's more poorly signed routes and I think they really only think of it as a connector between the two halves of CA 54 now (notwithstanding the definition on the books).
Yes, that's one of many errors on S17 signage. I reported one error, and they fixed it in six months. But there are still two signs where S17 crosses CA-125 that imply that they have a concurrency:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Qwjewo9XyEnhZWsX7

wanderer2575

Can't remember if this was posted this before, and the search doesn't work...

The END M-120 / TO US-31 assembly at the BL US-31 junction in Muskegon is facing 180 degrees the wrong direction.  It should be facing the DO NOT ENTER signs in this view.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/uYktCwa2spSYavXt8

wanderer2575

I just saw this one in Grand Marais, MI while goofing off looking at Google Maps.  County H58 turns left here but M-77 continues straight ahead.  The arrow isn't positioned correctly.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/uAnkurKULYXP8HMs7

Rothman

Love it when you're supposed to do donuts in the center lane:

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