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Hello from the Westend of the YT

Started by LetsTakeTheOldRoad, July 31, 2021, 11:13:50 AM

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LetsTakeTheOldRoad

Hi, I joined your forum to discuss and learn more about the original alignments of roads in the United States and around the world especially <1929 auto trails and the wagon roads that preceded them. If you have any questions or suggestions let me know. My (ever patient) wife and I are always looking for the next adventure along a long forgotten trail.


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Welcome from Massachusetts!

What is the YT?
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SkyPesos

Quote from: 1 on July 31, 2021, 11:15:19 AM
Welcome from Massachusetts!

What is the YT?
Either Youtube or Yukon, both are possible.

To the op, Welcome from Southwest Ohio!

LetsTakeTheOldRoad

The YT I'm referring to is the Yellowstone Trail an early auto trail between Plymouth Rock and Puget Sound.

kevinb1994

#4
Ah yes, the old Yellowstone Trail. I've never really been on it, though. Came close to it in/near Chicago, however.

Welcome from Florida!

EDIT: I actually should note that I've been to Plymouth (and its rock). Guess that means that I hit it (the trail) twice.

EDIT: I've been on it in Upstate NY. Just not continuously (in particular, the portions in and around Albany, Buffalo, and Rochester).

EDIT: I apparently crossed paths with it in the Springfield MA area.

LetsTakeTheOldRoad

I've been on large patches of the YT out west back east in New England I've spent time on older alignments of US route 1 including the Post Road.

kevinb1994

Quote from: LetsTakeTheOldRoad on July 31, 2021, 12:15:57 PM
I've been on large patches of the YT out west back east in New England I've spent time on older alignments of US route 1 including the Post Road.
I've been on the Boston Post Road. There's another Post Road that led to Albany. I've been on/near that one too.

ozarkman417

#7
Welcome from Southwest Missouri, not far from the old Ozark Trail and Old Wire Road.

LetsTakeTheOldRoad

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 31, 2021, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: LetsTakeTheOldRoad on July 31, 2021, 12:15:57 PM
I've been on large patches of the YT out west back east in New England I've spent time on older alignments of US route 1 including the Post Road.
I've been on the Boston Post Road. There's another Post Road that led to Albany. I've been on/near that one too.

You mentioned being in Florida earlier do you know anything about the old Spanish trails there?

kevinb1994

#9
Quote from: LetsTakeTheOldRoad on July 31, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 31, 2021, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: LetsTakeTheOldRoad on July 31, 2021, 12:15:57 PM
I've been on large patches of the YT out west back east in New England I've spent time on older alignments of US route 1 including the Post Road.
I've been on the Boston Post Road. There's another Post Road that led to Albany. I've been on/near that one too.

You mentioned being in Florida earlier do you know anything about the old Spanish trails there?
Yes, if you mean the Old Spanish Trail (auto trail) that heads west from St. Augustine. But that was never supposed to follow an actual Spanish-built road (it uses the ROW of the British-built Kings Road between here and there). There was a actual Spanish-built road once that connected St. Augustine with where Tallahassee is now. But there was never a continuous road west to Pensacola, and west of P-Cola would have been French territory (Florida could have been French territory too if it weren't for a series of events also involving the Spanish), followed by Texas, which has similar history to that of Florida (it being claimed by both France and Spain, with, like Florida, Spain being ultimately victorious in their claim to the territory). West of Texas is New Mexico, and further west is California.

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LetsTakeTheOldRoad

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 31, 2021, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: LetsTakeTheOldRoad on July 31, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 31, 2021, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: LetsTakeTheOldRoad on July 31, 2021, 12:15:57 PM
I've been on large patches of the YT out west back east in New England I've spent time on older alignments of US route 1 including the Post Road.
I've been on the Boston Post Road. There's another Post Road that led to Albany. I've been on/near that one too.

You mentioned being in Florida earlier do you know anything about the old Spanish trails there?
Yes, if you mean the Old Spanish Trail (auto trail) that heads west from St. Augustine. But that was never supposed to follow an actual Spanish-built road (it uses the ROW of the British-built Kings Road between here and there). There was a actual Spanish-built road once that connected St. Augustine with where Tallahassee is now. But there was never a continuous road west to Pensacola, and west of P-Cola would have been French territory (Florida could have been French territory too if it weren't for a series of events also involving the Spanish), followed by Texas, which has similar history to that of Florida (it being claimed by both France and Spain, with, like Florida, Spain being ultimately victorious in their claim to the territory). West of Texas is New Mexico, and further west is California.

Do you have any maps or links? I've been trying to find information about both roads but the internet seems to have just basic info.

kurumi

Quote from: LetsTakeTheOldRoad on July 31, 2021, 01:20:38 PM
Do you have any maps or links? I’ve been trying to find information about both roads but the internet seems to have just basic info.

There is a dedicated site, with some rough maps: http://yellowstonetrail.org/
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LetsTakeTheOldRoad

Thanks for the info I was referring to the Spanish trail. I was in contact with someone from the YT about a junction on one of their maps but it ceased after Covid.

kevinb1994

#14
Quote from: LetsTakeTheOldRoad on July 31, 2021, 01:20:38 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 31, 2021, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: LetsTakeTheOldRoad on July 31, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 31, 2021, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: LetsTakeTheOldRoad on July 31, 2021, 12:15:57 PM
I've been on large patches of the YT out west back east in New England I've spent time on older alignments of US route 1 including the Post Road.
I've been on the Boston Post Road. There's another Post Road that led to Albany. I've been on/near that one too.

You mentioned being in Florida earlier do you know anything about the old Spanish trails there?
Yes, if you mean the Old Spanish Trail (auto trail) that heads west from St. Augustine. But that was never supposed to follow an actual Spanish-built road (it uses the ROW of the British-built Kings Road between here and there). There was a actual Spanish-built road once that connected St. Augustine with where Tallahassee is now. But there was never a continuous road west to Pensacola, and west of P-Cola would have been French territory (Florida could have been French territory too if it weren't for a series of events also involving the Spanish), followed by Texas, which has similar history to that of Florida (it being claimed by both France and Spain, with, like Florida, Spain being ultimately victorious in their claim to the territory). West of Texas is New Mexico, and further west is California.

Do you have any maps or links? I've been trying to find information about both roads but the internet seems to have just basic info.
Well, I can link you to the OST centennial celebration website. www.oldspanishtrailcentennial.com

http://www.americanroads.us/autotrails/oldspanishtrail.html This is the American Roads website, useful for finding more information about American Roads.

http://library.stmarytx.edu/ost/

The above is a link to the library of St. Mary's University in San Antonio.

https://www.tallahasseemagazine.com/native-americans-started-the-trail-that-evolved-into-north-floridas-transportation-system/

The above is a link to Tallahassee Magazine. I hope it gives you adequate information on how the old Spanish-built road between St. Augustine and Tallahassee was turned into Bellamy Road (and then abandoned) by America. Bellamy Road, or at least a small portion of it, was incorporated into the Old Spanish Trail, but the auto trail doesn't really use Spanish-built roads outside of that. The mission in what is now Tallahassee was San Luis for short. There were others along the old road.

https://www.trailoffloridasindianheritage.org/mission-san-luis/

The above is a link for more info on San Luis.

https://www.unf.edu/floridahistoryonline/Plantations/plantations/Fort_Picolata.htm

Thanks to UNF (University of North Florida, which is nearby) for this link.

https://www.missionsanluis.org/learn/history/crown-and-church/

Official website for San Luis.

https://dos.myflorida.com/historical/explore/el-camino-real/learn-more/history/

Some info on the El Camino Real.

LetsTakeTheOldRoad

I'll be sure to check these out thanks for the resources.

kevinb1994


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Welcome from SoCal.

I've never explored the YT, but I have followed some of the old "National Trail'' near Donner Pass.

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