Interchanges, that are boring, basic, and unoriginal, with no unique or outstanding features whatsoever. The type that would not get discussed much, if it wasn't for this thread :spin:
So you mean like basicly every diamond interchange ever contstructed in America then, right?
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1544585,-87.8751218,15z/data=!3m1!1e3
Basically every single interstate-to-interstate junction on I-85 except the Charlotte ones and I-285 NE of Atlanta
For Ontario, I would argue that the Parclo A4 is the dominant (and therefore boring) interchange type.
Quote from: webny99 on May 19, 2017, 08:57:55 AM
Quote from: slorydn1 on May 19, 2017, 12:48:42 AM
So you mean like basicly every diamond interchange ever contstructed in America then, right?
Not necessarily. If it has any unique features, including topography, dominant movements, or loop ramps, then it's a no go.
If it has loop ramps, it's not a diamond interchange. It'll be a partial diamond, folded diamond, etc.
That said, it's still a boring design, unless there's unique features.
One gets tired of the trumpet interchanges along the Thruway after awhile.
Along I-495 (MA):
Exit 25A-B: I-290 ends here and changes to a connector to MA 85, but the ramps are boring.
26-32: Boring.
33: Boring, even as a partial interchange.
34: Not boring; northbound entrance ramp crosses over a surface road.
35A-C: Interesting.
37: Not boring: one ramp is also a surface road.
38, 39, 40A-B: Boring.
41: Not boring. There is an A-B northbound, but not southbound.
42A-B: Boring.
43-45: Actually pretty interesting.
46, 47: Boring.
48: Not boring; it is a connector to another road.
49, 50: C/D lanes make it not boring, especially given that it is listed as "Exits 50-49" southbound, but they are separate northbound.
51-54: Boring, although Exit 52 has a restaurant between the ramps.
55, 56: Partial interchanges.
I-93:
Exit 4 (NH): Boring.
3: Long ramp, so not boring.
2: Boring.
1: Interesting; provides direct mall access northbound.
48 (MA): Interesting. Very simple but unique interchange (I know of no others like it).
47: C/D lane from Exit 48, so not boring.
46: Not boring, both before and after construction.
43-45: Boring.
42: Not boring; exit southbound takes you to a different road.
41: The interchange itself is boring, but MA 125 begins here, and it is very close to Exit 40.
40: The interchange itself is boring, but it is very close to Exit 41.
39, 38: Boring.
37C: Interesting; ramps are above road, not below.
37A-B: Boring; also, too much traffic on MA 128.
31-36: Not boring, all for different reasons.
MA 213:
Exits 1A-B: Same interchange as I-93 Exit 48 (so not boring).
2: Boring.
3: Not boring; ramps lead to different roads.
4: Not boring; long ramp.
5A-B: Boring.
I-95 (MA):
Exit 60: Not boring; visitor's center.
59: Partial interchange and switch in roads for I-84/I-90/I-290/I-495/I-95 New York City-Maine corridor, so not boring.
58A-B: "Breezewood" to get from I-95 north to I-495 south, so not boring.
51-57: Boring.
50: Not boring. Kind of a rotary.
46-49: These are accessible from one direction only (46 and 48 from one, 47 and 49 from the other), so not boring.
45: A good reference point, but the ramps themselves are boring.
44A-B: Very interesting.
43: Southbound, continuing straight leads to a mall. Not boring.
42: Not boring; ramps lead to different roads.
41: Boring.
40: Rotary, so not boring.
37-39: Boring, and beware the traffic.
36: Not boring; ramps lead to different roads.
35: Rotary, so not boring.
34: Boring.
33A-B: Southbound, continuing straight leads to Burlington Mall Rd., an interesting road. Not boring.
32A-B: C/D ramps for completely different roads, so not boring.
31: Boring.
30: Not boring; rest area northbound.
29A-B: The ramps are boring. MA 2 itself is not, as the freeway ends here temporarily.
US 3 (MA):
Exit 25A-B: See 32A for I-95.
26: Not boring; northbound entrance actually has two entrances.
27: Boring.
28: There is a road between ramps on the surface road. Not boring.
29: Boring.
30A-C: Interesting.
31: Part of C/D ramp from Exit 30, so not boring.
32: Not boring; pseudo-rotary.
33-35: Boring.
36: Not boring; provides direct access to the Pheasant Lane Mall.
There is no Boring interchange in Oregon. (local joke)
Rick
Quote from: 1 on May 19, 2017, 11:26:19 AM
Along I-495 (MA):
Exit 25A-B: I-290 ends here and changes to a connector to MA 85, but the ramps are boring.
Ramp from I-290 east to I-495 north is a reverse compound curve. Judging by the number of truck rollovers there, I wouldn't exactly classify it as boring. Plus the road changing from a multi-lane Interstate to a super-2 configuration is hardly boring either.
I44 MM 0-100 (My stomping grounds)
Exit 1: Weird psudodirectional interchange
Exit 4: Squashed diamond rebuilt from a trumpet (Huh, interesting history there actually)
Exit 6: Diamond with swoop to NB Main St.
Exit 8: DDI rebuilt from old tight cloverleaf
Exit 11: Turbine/clover going into a parclo on I-49S
Exit 13: Diamond with roundabouts :banghead:
Exit 15: Half directional into/from Joplin
Exit 18: Cloverleaf with I-49 taking a loop ramp
Exit 22: Hey, our first run of the mill diamond!
26: Same!
29: Ditto!
33: Copypasted!
38: Copy of the last one!
44: bent diamond
46: reconstructed recently with lights and a wider bridge
49: Skewed again
57: Direction for Ol'66
58: Fu[n/c]ky ass parclo :banghead: (20mph curve with like no deceleration lane)
61: Hey, a plain Jane again
67: Just replaced old bridge turning it into a Plain Jane
69: Trumpet
70: Hey it's Exit 67's twin!
72: Parclo
75: Just a normal diamond. Wait, what's that ramp leading to 44? :ded:
77: Another clone of 67. Wait, this is a DDI :ded:
80: Funky diamond there? Oh, old Clover again
82: cloverstack
84: Diamond with funky geometry
88: Ditto
96: Diamond, but on a steepish grade (For MO anyways)
100: Bog standard Diamond
Huh, I-44's more interesting than I give it credit for.
Quote from: 1 on May 19, 2017, 11:26:19 AMI-95 (MA):
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29A-B: The ramps are boring. MA 2 itself is not, as the freeway ends here temporarily.
Temporarily?I wouldn't hold my breath on a full-blown upgrade of MA 2 west I-95 (& east of MA 27) to a
continuous limited-access highway anytime soon.
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 19, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 19, 2017, 11:26:19 AMI-95 (MA):
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29A-B: The ramps are boring. MA 2 itself is not, as the freeway ends here temporarily.
Temporarily?
I wouldn't hold my breath on a full-blown upgrade of MA 2 west I-95 (& east of MA 27) to a continuous limited-access highway anytime soon.
When I said "temporarily", I meant that it becomes a freeway again west of MA 27, not that it would be completed soon. I might have used the wrong word.
The exits in my hometown are nothing special, but the Kendrick street construction is semi-interesting.
So, basically every stack, diamond, cloverleaf, trumpet, and DDI ever built in the country and/or world.
Quote from: nexus73 on May 19, 2017, 11:33:42 AM
There is no Boring interchange in Oregon. (local joke)
Rick
Apparently there is with Us 20!
Quote from: Buffaboy on May 19, 2017, 04:00:28 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on May 19, 2017, 11:33:42 AM
There is no Boring interchange in Oregon. (local joke)
Rick
Apparently there is with Us 20!
I assume you're talking about this one: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4316778,-122.3418073,3a,49y,329.88h,87.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swDJCqc4pRJB4kJr9uIy3Yg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
(US-26 not 20)
I assume Nexus was somehow referring to the town of Boring, OR when he said that, but yeah I'd definitely say there
is a Boring interchange.
I-84 through NY, CT, and MA has its moments, but is pretty boring. Highlights:
NY Exit 1: NJ state route shield despite the highway never entering NJ
NY Exit 4: Covered I-86 shields waiting to be released
NY Exit 7 A-B: Complex Thruway Interchange
NY Exit 20: I-684/US 6/US 202/NY 22 Interchange with split ramps and 1 entrance ramp with a deceivingly sharp curve.
CT Exit 3 & 7: Left hand exits
CT Exit 11: Freeway stub
CT Exit 19-20: The famous Mixmaster interchange
CT Exit 23 (EB): Long C/D road
CT Exit 29 (WB): Left hand exit that was a freeway stub
CT Exit 33 (EB), 35, 39 (EB), 43 (EB), 45 (WB), 46 (EB), 56 (EB), 57 (WB): All left hand exits. Some to abandoned freeways
CT Exit 39A: Elaborate half-used stack interchange
CT Exit 59-62: Elaborate set of interchanges with its own set of reference markers.
CT Exit 64-65 (EB): Split ramp
MA Exit 1: Nothing fancy, just that the eastbound and westbound ramps are about 1/2 mi. apart due to split carriageways.
Boring can be good though. I-35 in Minneapolis was a very exciting bridge, but I'd rather have a boring one.
Quote from: I-90 on May 19, 2017, 07:46:47 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1544585,-87.8751218,15z/data=!3m1!1e3
I wouldn't call this boring. Thru route takes a 90 degree turn, intersecting route comes in at 45-ish degrees, interchange with a local street worked in. Certainly not in the top 10 of exciting, but nowhere near as boring as something like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.682521,-97.6212668,1373m/data=!3m1!1e3
Quote from: doorknob60 on May 19, 2017, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: Buffaboy on May 19, 2017, 04:00:28 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on May 19, 2017, 11:33:42 AM
There is no Boring interchange in Oregon. (local joke)
Rick
Apparently there is with Us 20!
I assume you're talking about this one: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4316778,-122.3418073,3a,49y,329.88h,87.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swDJCqc4pRJB4kJr9uIy3Yg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
(US-26 not 20)
I assume Nexus was somehow referring to the town of Boring, OR when he said that, but yeah I'd definitely say there is a Boring interchange.
I stand corrected! Another local joke: Why is Oregon so wet? Because it only has one Drain!
Rick
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Quote from: I-90 on May 19, 2017, 09:11:50 PM
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Either that's a new DDI or some engineer
really misses Destruction Derby!
Question: just where
is this interchange?
Any diamond interchange.
Quote from: webny99 on May 20, 2017, 10:58:09 AM
Quote from: ColossalBlocks on May 19, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
So, basically every stack, diamond, cloverleaf, trumpet, and DDI ever built in the country and/or world.
Not sure what this means... you're saying those do or don't qualify?
Obviously, this is a fairly subjective topic, but there are very interesting examples of all of those interchange types...
Yes, they do qualify for being boring.
Quote from: ColossalBlocks on May 20, 2017, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 20, 2017, 10:58:09 AM
Quote from: ColossalBlocks on May 19, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
So, basically every stack, diamond, cloverleaf, trumpet, and DDI ever built in the country and/or world.
Not sure what this means... you're saying those do or don't qualify?
Obviously, this is a fairly subjective topic, but there are very interesting examples of all of those interchange types...
Yes, they do qualify for being boring.
How are DDIs boring?
Quote from: webny99 on May 22, 2017, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on May 19, 2017, 09:47:08 AM
For Ontario, I would argue that the Parclo A4 is the dominant (and therefore boring) interchange type.
I'd agree with that argument. I've often wondered why that is, given that many rural interchanges also have that setup (somewhat unnecessarily IMO). It certainly wouldn't be more cost-effective than a simple diamond... any insight?
I was wondering about that myself as a standard diamond should be the obvious choice for a rural interchange. No need to waste $$$ for something that isn't necessary.
I do know why a parclo would be superior to a full clover for busier interchanges though as it eliminates weaving on the freeway aspect of the interchange, but again I think it's totally unnecessary for ones that are not busy at all.
Quote from: plain on May 22, 2017, 05:48:07 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 22, 2017, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on May 19, 2017, 09:47:08 AM
For Ontario, I would argue that the Parclo A4 is the dominant (and therefore boring) interchange type.
I'd agree with that argument. I've often wondered why that is, given that many rural interchanges also have that setup (somewhat unnecessarily IMO). It certainly wouldn't be more cost-effective than a simple diamond... any insight?
I was wondering about that myself as a standard diamond should be the obvious choice for a rural interchange. No need to waste $$$ for something that isn't necessary.
I do know why a parclo would be superior to a full clover for busier interchanges though as it eliminates weaving on the freeway aspect of the interchange, but again I think it's totally unnecessary for ones that are not busy at all.
From quickly scanning Google Maps, it seems like rural interchanges on the 401 are often parclo
A2's. One advantage I can see with these are that they are easy to upgrade to A4's if traffic counts ever increase. Since A2's and Diamonds both have 4 ramps, I would assume the costs are also comparable.
I guess I should change my original comment to Parclos in general as being dominant in Ontario.
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Quote from: I-90 on May 22, 2017, 06:02:30 PM
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Do you think DDI's are boring? I've never even driven one :-D! It pains me that I drove on US 65 by Springfield, MO and found out a month later that there's a DDI there :-(.
By the way, what interchange is in that photo (just curious)?
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I've driven on 2 Illinois DDIs, one up North and one way down South
Northern IL: I-88/Reagan Tollway and IL-59 (Exit 123)
Southern IL: I-57 and The Hill Ave (Exit 54B)
I think those were the first 2 in IL? I could be mistaken. There are probably more by now, I think
And I don't think they are that boring, as they are still relatively Unique. Tho I am annoyed when you take the exit and make the "Left" turn movement, when the driver ahead of you won't make the Legal and Available Left-on-Red maneuver -- usually a quick horn toot solves the problem
Quote from: webny99 on May 22, 2017, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on May 22, 2017, 05:57:12 PM
From quickly scanning Google Maps, it seems like rural interchanges on the 401 are often parclo A2's. One advantage I can see with these are that they are easy to upgrade to A4's if traffic counts ever increase. Since A2's and Diamonds both have 4 ramps, I would assume the costs are also comparable.
I guess I should change my original comment to Parclos in general as being dominant in Ontario.
I was actually thinking of the QEW between the falls and Burlington, but perhaps that area doesn't qualify as "rural" :D
Are parclo A2's basically folded diamonds or am I missing something?
The QEW has some rural stretches, but not as much as some other 400-series highways. The most rural stretch of the QEW is between Niagara Falls and Fort Erie, and most of the interchanges are A4's :hmm:
Here's an A4 diagram
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Parclo_A4.svg/419px-Parclo_A4.svg.png)
Here's an A2 diagram
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/I-parcloA2.svg/2000px-I-parcloA2.svg.png)
And here's a folded diamond (very similar to the A2)
(https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/images/f/fd/Jct_folded_diamond.png)
The folded diamond would be used over an A2 in Ontario if there are obstacles (such as properties, nearby waterway or uneven ground) in the left-two quadrants.
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 22, 2017, 08:44:21 PM
I've driven on 2 Illinois DDIs, one up North and one way down South
Northern IL: I-88/Reagan Tollway and IL-59 (Exit 123)
Southern IL: I-57 and The Hill Ave (Exit 54B)
I think those were the first 2 in IL? I could be mistaken. There are probably more by now, I think
And I don't think they are that boring, as they are still relatively Unique. Tho I am annoyed when you take the exit and make the "Left" turn movement, when the driver ahead of you won't make the Legal and Available Left-on-Red maneuver -- usually a quick horn toot solves the problem
I think those are indeed the first two. I-90 at Elmhurst Road is under construction, and I-55 at Weber Road is coming soon.
DDI's are exciting though! What's not exciting about the constant threat of someone failing to understand the counterintuitive positioning of the lanes and crashing head-on to an oncoming car?
Traffic safety probably isn't the realm for discussing what's boring, though, because we need roadway systems and alignments to be predictable, and therefore, boring, in order to promote safety. We want things to be drab and easy to understand so that people don't get hurt...heh