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I've been chatting with ARDOT on Twitter about the US 412 Bypass near Springdale. The first section from AR 112 to I-49 is expected to open sometime next year (no official date yet...could be sooner if Winter is mild).  It was revealed to me that the road will have the designation of AR 612. This will be the first (and probably only) 6xx highway designation in the state.

Similar to how they use AR 5(future 2di number) for future interstates, this will be their temporary numbering for future US bypass routes? Very interesting.

Quote from: US71 on December 15, 2017, 10:37:42 PM
I've been chatting with ARDOT on Twitter about the US 412 Bypass near Springdale. The first section from AR 112 to I-49 is expected to open sometime next year (no official date yet...could be sooner if Winter is mild).  It was revealed to me that the road will have the designation of AR 612. This will be the first (and probably only) 6xx highway designation in the state.

I-630.

Cheater. AR 600.

Quote from: NE2 on December 16, 2017, 10:14:10 AM
Cheater. AR 600.

Que? You mean the state park roads? None of them are actually signed. Same for the 800 sequence college roads (except 818).

http://5newsonline.com/2018/01/29/highway-412-northern-bypass-nears-completion-ahead-of-schedule/

ARDOT says the road should open this spring. Also, some of the signs along I-49 have been erected.

I wonder if this becomes a 3 digit interstate when complete?  I can see this eventually extended to Harrison much like I-555.

Quote from: Road Hog on December 16, 2017, 02:13:10 AM

Quote from: US71 on December 15, 2017, 10:37:42 PM
I've been chatting with ARDOT on Twitter about the US 412 Bypass near Springdale. The first section from AR 112 to I-49 is expected to open sometime next year (no official date yet...could be sooner if Winter is mild).  It was revealed to me that the road will have the designation of AR 612. This will be the first (and probably only) 6xx highway designation in the state.

I-630.

State Highway, sir. You referenced an Interstate Highway.

Quote from: Wayward Memphian on January 30, 2018, 10:58:13 AM
I wonder if this becomes a 3 digit interstate when complete?  I can see this eventually extended to Harrison much like I-555.

I doubt it. It will be US 412,  which is already 4-laned as a partially controlled access highway to Huntsville. 62/412 from near Alpena to US 65 is the same. 65/62/412 is predominantly 5-lane from 62 to Harrison. Harrison needs a better bypass, though.

No way will it ever be an Interstate. There's no need for it at all. Hell most of it doesn't even need more than two lanes total

Quote from: bjrush on January 30, 2018, 09:48:59 PM
No way will it ever be an Interstate. There's no need for it at all. Hell most of it doesn't even need more than two lanes total

I don't think we need the 412 designation, either.

Don't forget about AR 980.

Quote from: bugo on January 31, 2018, 01:44:14 PM
Don't forget about AR 980.

Did you ever find out what those were about (besides airport access)?

Don't forget about 600, 801, 805, 806, 809, 810, 811, 812, 813, 814, 815, 816, 817, 818, 819, 821, 823, 824, 825, 830, 831, 832, 833, 834, 835, 839, 840, 841, 842, 843, 845, 846, 871, 872, 873, 874, 875, 876, 877, 878, 879, 880, 883, 884, 885, 886, 887, 888, 889, 890, 902, 915, 917, 922, 933, 935, 943, 946, 947, 949, 956, or 959 ;)

Quote from: yakra on February 04, 2018, 01:56:39 AM
Don't forget about 600, 801, 805, 806, 809, 810, 811, 812, 813, 814, 815, 816, 817, 818, 819, 821, 823, 824, 825, 830, 831, 832, 833, 834, 835, 839, 840, 841, 842, 843, 845, 846, 871, 872, 873, 874, 875, 876, 877, 878, 879, 880, 883, 884, 885, 886, 887, 888, 889, 890, 902, 915, 917, 922, 933, 935, 943, 946, 947, 949, 956, or 959 ;)

Only one of those is a 6xx route. He didn't say "highest number".

Quote from: yakra on February 04, 2018, 01:56:39 AM
Don't forget about 600, 801, 805, 806, 809, 810, 811, 812, 813, 814, 815, 816, 817, 818, 819, 821, 823, 824, 825, 830, 831, 832, 833, 834, 835, 839, 840, 841, 842, 843, 845, 846, 871, 872, 873, 874, 875, 876, 877, 878, 879, 880, 883, 884, 885, 886, 887, 888, 889, 890, 902, 915, 917, 922, 933, 935, 943, 946, 947, 949, 956, or 959 ;)

818 is posted, but the others aren't.  The 8XX series are mostly college related roads. The 9XX series are state park related, I believe. 99.9 percent of the time, none of these are signed.

Apparently, it says here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas#State_highways) that AR-612 is currently open. Is that true?

Quote from: TBKS1 on February 04, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
Apparently, it says here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas#State_highways) that AR-612 is currently open. Is that true?

Not until April or May, last I heard.

Quote from: TBKS1 on February 04, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
Apparently, it says here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas#State_highways) that AR-612 is currently open. Is that true?

Where does it say that?

Quote from: NE2 on February 05, 2018, 12:08:14 AM

Quote from: TBKS1 on February 04, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
Apparently, it says here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas#State_highways) that AR-612 is currently open. Is that true?

Where does it say that?

On Wikipedia. I fixed the entry to say "Opens Spring 2018"

I'm presuming this is the construction that shows up on aerial imagery south of the AR 264 interchange.

Quote from: froggie on February 05, 2018, 08:58:28 AM
I'm presuming this is the construction that shows up on aerial imagery south of the AR 264 interchange.

Yes. It will eventually be the US 412 Bypass. Right now, ARDOT is only building the part between 112 and I-49, so XNA has a place to connect their toll road.

Quote from: US71 on February 05, 2018, 12:20:11 AM

Quote from: NE2 on February 05, 2018, 12:08:14 AM

Quote from: TBKS1 on February 04, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
Apparently, it says here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas#State_highways) that AR-612 is currently open. Is that true?

Where does it say that?

On Wikipedia. I fixed the entry to say "Opens Spring 2018"

Here's the old version: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas&oldid=823827701#State_highways
I don't see anything stating that it's open, merely that it was established in 2018.

Quote from: NE2 on February 05, 2018, 01:42:23 PM

Quote from: US71 on February 05, 2018, 12:20:11 AM

Quote from: NE2 on February 05, 2018, 12:08:14 AM

Quote from: TBKS1 on February 04, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
Apparently, it says here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas#State_highways) that AR-612 is currently open. Is that true?

Where does it say that?

On Wikipedia. I fixed the entry to say "Opens Spring 2018"

Here's the old version: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas&oldid=823827701#State_highways
I don't see anything stating that it's open, merely that it was established in 2018.

Yes, well the entry has since been modified to say it opens in Spring of 2018.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas

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Not open yet, from the looks of it months away


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Quote from: Arkansastravelguy on February 05, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
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Not open yet, from the looks of it months away


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As early as April, weather permitting

Those are some majestic signs!

Quote from: US71 on February 05, 2018, 10:01:38 PM

Quote from: Arkansastravelguy on February 05, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
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Not open yet, from the looks of it months away


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As early as April, weather permitting

Hey, it's Highway Gothic!

As of today, all the 612 signs are covered up

Ribbon Cutting will be April 18, though the road may not open to the public.

http://5newsonline.com/2018/04/02/springdale-northern-bypass-opening-soon/

That's quite a strange announcement, to open a road and not let traffic on any part of it. Whatever happened to delaying the road's opening until it is actually ready to be driven on?

Quote from: Henry on April 03, 2018, 09:56:31 AM
That's quite a strange announcement, to open a road and not let traffic on any part of it. Whatever happened to delaying the road's opening until it is actually ready to be driven on?

My guess is after it's dedicated, XNA will start building their access road (which is part of the reason this section was built first). I'm hoping to go to the dedication, so maybe I'll get some answers there.

Quote from: Arkansastravelguy on February 05, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
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Not open yet, from the looks of it months away


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Wait. I miss this? Series EM on overhead signage, but Clearview on roadside guide sign? Why not replace both at the same time! :banghead:
I never knew the two could coexist peacefully! :pan:

Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on April 03, 2018, 11:11:28 AM

Wait. I miss this? Series EM on overhead signage, but Clearview on roadside guide sign? Why not replace both at the same time! :banghead:
I never knew the two could coexist peacefully! :pan:

I believe the stand alone sign has since been removed.

Anyone know the job number for those signs? I would like to find Arkansas' standards for FHWA Series fonts.


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Are there any dates on when the other segments of the AR 612 (future US 412) Springdale Bypass will be constructed?

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 05, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
Are there any dates on when the other segments of the AR 612 (future US 412) Springdale Bypass will be constructed?

When they have the money.

Quote from: US71 on April 05, 2018, 04:54:41 PM

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 05, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
Are there any dates on when the other segments of the AR 612 (future US 412) Springdale Bypass will be constructed?

When they have the money.

This is true in "˜The Naturally Poor State'! :nod:


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If anyone is in the vicinity, AR 612 will be dedicated tomorrow. http://arkansashighways.com/news/2018/NR%2018-109.pdf  :sleep:

The ribbon has been cut, but it will likely be April 30 before the road officially opens. I was also asked to remind everyone "No bicycles"  :)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180418/88c611ba127877c49f45407af97d5caa.jpg)

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Is there a map of this project?

Quote from: seicer on April 18, 2018, 02:02:37 PM
Is there a map of this project?

A job map? I can likely find one. Just need to find the jerb number.

Quote from: seicer on April 18, 2018, 02:02:37 PM
Is there a map of this project?

http://www.arkansashighways.com/environmental/environmental_studies/001966/Maps/001966_2008.05.25_DPH_Disp_Cou.pdf

Circa 2006 (note I-540)

I noticed that on the picture you posted on Instagram, the signs at (what I guess is) the end of the offramp from WB 612/Future 412 has signs pointing towards AR 112 north and south and a sign that says "TO" AR 612 west. Why is AR 612 west mentioned when the highway ends there? Or am I missing somethng?

Quote from: bugo on April 18, 2018, 08:06:17 PM
I noticed that on the picture you posted on Instagram, the signs at (what I guess is) the end of the offramp from WB 612/Future 412 has signs pointing towards AR 112 north and south and a sign that says "TO" AR 612 west. Why is AR 612 west mentioned when the highway ends there? Or am I missing somethng?

I suspect it's a contractor error, maybe an error in the specs. Just to the south, there is a sign South AR 112 / TO West US 412. ARDOT needs to hire me to find all the sign errors ;)

Quote from: US71 on April 18, 2018, 08:33:08 PM

Quote from: bugo on April 18, 2018, 08:06:17 PM
I noticed that on the picture you posted on Instagram, the signs at (what I guess is) the end of the offramp from WB 612/Future 412 has signs pointing towards AR 112 north and south and a sign that says "TO" AR 612 west. Why is AR 612 west mentioned when the highway ends there? Or am I missing somethng?

I suspect it's a contractor error, maybe an error in the specs. Just to the south, there is a sign South AR 112 / TO West US 412. ARDOT needs to hire me to find all the sign errors ;)

I'd agree!

Will the current US 412 become US 412B when the bypass is completed?

LGL164VL

Quote from: US71 on April 18, 2018, 07:06:10 PM

Quote from: seicer on April 18, 2018, 02:02:37 PM
Is there a map of this project?

http://www.arkansashighways.com/environmental/environmental_studies/001966/Maps/001966_2008.05.25_DPH_Disp_Cou.pdf

Circa 2006 (note I-540)

Thanks! What part will be tolled? East of I-49?

Quote from: seicer on April 19, 2018, 10:10:29 PM

Quote from: US71 on April 18, 2018, 07:06:10 PM

Quote from: seicer on April 18, 2018, 02:02:37 PM
Is there a map of this project?

http://www.arkansashighways.com/environmental/environmental_studies/001966/Maps/001966_2008.05.25_DPH_Disp_Cou.pdf

Circa 2006 (note I-540)

Thanks! What part will be tolled? East of I-49?

Only the XNA access road.

As far as current 412 becoming 412B at some future point, it wouldn't surprise me, but you're looking at several years down the road.

Quote from: robbones on April 19, 2018, 10:02:06 PM
Will the current US 412 become US 412B when the bypass is completed?
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I guarantee they will. Unless they change their policy on business routes. When a bypass of a town is built in Arkansas, the old route typically becomes as a business route. The interchanges on each end of the bypass will flow directly into the business route and the business route will be easily reached by the mainline.

Quote from: bugo on April 20, 2018, 08:38:19 PM

Quote from: robbones on April 19, 2018, 10:02:06 PM
Will the current US 412 become US 412B when the bypass is completed?
LGL164VL

I guarantee they will. Unless they change their policy on business routes. When a bypass of a town is built in Arkansas, the old route typically becomes as a business route. The interchanges on each end of the bypass will flow directly into the business route and the business route will be easily reached by the mainline.

Except in cases like 62B at Fayetteville and Rogers. Also Flippin.

The old route through Waldron was originally a part of AR 28. It was renumbered US 71B soon after the bypass was completed.

Quote from: US71 on April 19, 2018, 10:17:47 PM

Quote from: seicer on April 19, 2018, 10:10:29 PM

Quote from: US71 on April 18, 2018, 07:06:10 PM

Quote from: seicer on April 18, 2018, 02:02:37 PM
Is there a map of this project?

http://www.arkansashighways.com/environmental/environmental_studies/001966/Maps/001966_2008.05.25_DPH_Disp_Cou.pdf

Circa 2006 (note I-540)

Thanks! What part will be tolled? East of I-49?

Only the XNA access road.

Thanks. Had to see how far out this was - it's pretty far out of there but in respect to other airports that were built out in the sticks at their time (Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky, Dayton, etc.), it's not really that much different.

Quote from: seicer on April 21, 2018, 08:45:40 AM

Quote from: US71 on April 19, 2018, 10:17:47 PM

Quote from: seicer on April 19, 2018, 10:10:29 PM

Quote from: US71 on April 18, 2018, 07:06:10 PM

Quote from: seicer on April 18, 2018, 02:02:37 PM
Is there a map of this project?

http://www.arkansashighways.com/environmental/environmental_studies/001966/Maps/001966_2008.05.25_DPH_Disp_Cou.pdf

Circa 2006 (note I-540)

Thanks! What part will be tolled? East of I-49?

Only the XNA access road.

Thanks. Had to see how far out this was - it's pretty far out of there but in respect to other airports that were built out in the sticks at their time (Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky, Dayton, etc.), it's not really that much different.

The land was cheap.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.3642846,-94.2164911/36.3017351,-94.3117362/@36.3575548,-94.2486858,12.75z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0

ARDOT reports AR 612 opened at 6am this morning 4-30-18

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It didn't take long at all to drive what opened up.  Speed limit is just 65.  They had the right 2 lanes of southbound I-49 closed a half hour ago hanging the new AR 612 Exit 77 sign on the gantry there at the Lowell exit (78).

Quote from: US71 on April 30, 2018, 08:45:18 AM
ARDOT reports AR 612 opened at 6am this morning 4-30-18

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That's great!

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Interesting in that last pic that Lowell is the north control city and not Rogers, Bentonville or even Joplin.

I'm wondering where West 612 is

Google Maps really flips out when going eastbound on this stretch.  Keeps wanting to put me on the side roads that are parallel to it, which makes for annoying rerouting.  Don't think it's my phone as it doesn't do that anywhere else.  Not that you really need Google Maps on a stretch of road with only a single exit.

Quote from: MikieTimT on July 20, 2018, 06:32:51 PM
Google Maps really flips out when going eastbound on this stretch.  Keeps wanting to put me on the side roads that are parallel to it, which makes for annoying rerouting.  Don't think it's my phone as it doesn't do that anywhere else.  Not that you really need Google Maps on a stretch of road with only a single exit.

Maybe because there's no Street View yet?

Quote from: US71 on July 20, 2018, 08:13:24 PM

Quote from: MikieTimT on July 20, 2018, 06:32:51 PM
Google Maps really flips out when going eastbound on this stretch.  Keeps wanting to put me on the side roads that are parallel to it, which makes for annoying rerouting.  Don't think it's my phone as it doesn't do that anywhere else.  Not that you really need Google Maps on a stretch of road with only a single exit.

Maybe because there's no Street View yet?

I think he's driving it and it keeps giving him directions as if he were on side streets...

Quote from: NE2 on July 20, 2018, 11:13:56 PM
I think he's driving it and it keeps giving him directions as if he were on side streets...

This...

I believe an extension east to Highway 265 will be in the next STIP. It will be huge for the area if true, especially if Bethel Heights comes into Springdale

The situation between Ark 112 and I-49 on US 412/Sunset is not getting any better.  The western half would be of more immediate benefit,  although both at the same time would be a god send. The Ark 265 back to US 412 out by Sonora is the least needed segment.

Quote from: Wayward Memphian on January 14, 2020, 09:42:53 AM
The situation between Ark 112 and I-49 on US 412/Sunset is not getting any better.  The western half would be of more immediate benefit,  although both at the same time would be a god send. The Ark 265 back to US 412 out by Sonora is the least needed segment.

IMO, the next segment will be to the west of 112 so XNA  can have a southern access road.

Quote from: US71 on January 14, 2020, 09:55:21 AM

Quote from: Wayward Memphian on January 14, 2020, 09:42:53 AM
The situation between Ark 112 and I-49 on US 412/Sunset is not getting any better.  The western half would be of more immediate benefit,  although both at the same time would be a god send. The Ark 265 back to US 412 out by Sonora is the least needed segment.

IMO, the next segment will be to the west of 112 so XNA  can have a southern access road.

That certainly would be more beneficial.  Another "connector" segment before completing at least one bypass termination onto US-412 would just aggravate the current traffic situation on US-412.  This is supposed to be, after all, a bypass.

Highway 612 west to Highway 112/XNA access road is in for $15m of right of way acquisition in 2021.

I would expect the east segment to Highway 265 done by 2028. The rest may never happen, or be 30 years off

Quote from: bjrush on January 14, 2020, 12:23:24 PM
Highway 612 west to Highway 112/XNA access road is in for $15m of right of way acquisition in 2021.

I would expect the east segment to Highway 265 done by 2028. The rest may never happen, or be 30 years off

2028? I may be around to see it.

Apparently Highway 612 west to Us 412 in Tontitown is in the draft CAP-2 the state plans to do if Issue 1 passes

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Quote from: bjrush on January 29, 2020, 01:56:47 PM
Apparently Highway 612 west to Us 412 in Tontitown is in the draft CAP-2 the state plans to do if Issue 1 passes

Any mention of an airport road?

 They show the XNA Connector on the on the potential project map for 30 million. But back in the fall when they Had open house hearing  on the the road there was 3 different routes so I haven't seen a time line when they would select one of the routes.

Quote from: Gordon on January 29, 2020, 03:17:24 PM
They show the XNA Connector on the on the potential project map for 30 million. But back in the fall when they Had open house hearing  on the the road there was 3 different routes so I haven't seen a time line when they would select one of the routes.

If they are going to build the west leg of the bypass, ARDOT needs to figure out where the airport road is going to be...especially since they are paying for it

Quote from: US71 on January 29, 2020, 09:28:11 PM

Quote from: Gordon on January 29, 2020, 03:17:24 PM
They show the XNA Connector on the on the potential project map for 30 million. But back in the fall when they Had open house hearing  on the the road there was 3 different routes so I haven't seen a time line when they would select one of the routes.

If they are going to build the west leg of the bypass, ARDOT needs to figure out where the airport road is going to be...especially since they are paying for it

Sometime this year XNA will announce a study finding and plans for 8 new gates. They have to have them now. Too many planes are RONing overnight for the gates they have. Southwest would surely want to RON overnight like they do at a bunch of the smaller stations. There's zero stalls in the stable availible. If growth continues like 2019, it will surpass LIT in traffic at the end of 2020 and be breathing down Tulsa's neck next.

Quote from: Wayward Memphian on January 30, 2020, 12:59:10 PM

Quote from: US71 on January 29, 2020, 09:28:11 PM

Quote from: Gordon on January 29, 2020, 03:17:24 PM
They show the XNA Connector on the on the potential project map for 30 million. But back in the fall when they Had open house hearing  on the the road there was 3 different routes so I haven't seen a time line when they would select one of the routes.

If they are going to build the west leg of the bypass, ARDOT needs to figure out where the airport road is going to be...especially since they are paying for it

Sometime this year XNA will announce a study finding and plans for 8 new gates. They have to have them now. Too many planes are RONing overnight for the gates they have. Southwest would surely want to RON overnight like they do at a bunch of the smaller stations. There's zero stalls in the stable availible. If growth continues like 2019, it will surpass LIT in traffic at the end of 2020 and be breathing down Tulsa's neck next.

Shouldn't be hard if Walmart continues to grow.

ARDOT Public Comment meeting 2/21/2023 for the rest of the stack at Lowell/Springdale and the start of the eastern leg from I-49 to AR-265.

https://vpiph03-pi-job-090621-en-ardot.hub.arcgis.com/ (https://vpiph03-pi-job-090621-en-ardot.hub.arcgis.com/)

Hopefully, more of AR 612/future US 412 can be funded and built relatively soon. I'd hate for the project to go dormant for a couple decades.

https://www.ardot.gov/wp-content/uploads/090621Design.pdf (https://www.ardot.gov/wp-content/uploads/090621Design.pdf)

I don't know why they aren't just going ahead and build all the new bridges on AR-612 for 3 lanes throughout this project area, except for the overpasses that will need to be constructed for mainline AR-612 to pass under I-49, which they should just go ahead and do as 4x4, otherwise, they'll just wind up finishing construction about the time I-49 needs the extra lanes throughout NWA.  They for some reason appear to have 3 lane carriageways constrict back down to 2 lanes right before crossing a bridge and hitting an offramp, which seems like a dumb way to do it when they could just continue the 3rd lane across the bridge and make the rightmost lane an exit only lane to prevent all the merging just in time for an exit.  It's not like this is rocket science...

Are they going to dig out I49 and build bridges over 612? If so, that will be a travel nightmare.

Quote from: razorback0308 on February 20, 2023, 02:51:09 PM
Are they going to dig out I49 and build bridges over 612? If so, that will be a travel nightmare.

Sure does look to me like the plan.

https://goo.gl/maps/bPiuzocvmhkW4tXi7 (https://goo.gl/maps/bPiuzocvmhkW4tXi7)

Quote from: razorback0308 on February 20, 2023, 02:51:09 PM
Are they going to dig out I49 and build bridges over 612? If so, that will be a travel nightmare.

It never made sense not doing it the last time around, imagine a road that needs 8 lanes being reduced to two each way to do this.

Looks like getting the ball rolling on engineering work for the 4 level stack/undercut of I-49 and AR-612.

https://www.ardot.gov/news/23-090/ (https://www.ardot.gov/news/23-090/)

Quote from: Arkansastravelguy on May 07, 2018, 01:16:24 PM(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180507/86a7ca0340ab10a613e67e5bef876506.jpg)

This is an error. The AR 612 shield should be a US 412 shield. The latest Street View imagery shows the assembly is still there, but the AR 612 sign is missing. Perhaps they are planning on putting the correct US 412 shield up.

Quote from: bugo on April 02, 2023, 05:49:58 AM

This is an error. The AR 612 shield should be a US 412 shield. The latest Street View imagery shows the assembly is still there, but the AR 612 sign is missing. Perhaps they are planning on putting the correct US 412 shield up.

It's not an error, but a placeholder designation like Arkansas does for Interstates as well.  It's still AR-612 as it's not US-412, but US-412 Bypass.  Now they will likely change it to US-412 (until it gets its I-** designation anyway, likely not until the 2030's) when the bypass is completed and change current US-412 to US-412 Business, but we're not anywhere close to that happening yet as the 2023-2026 STIP only has the western leg funded at $100M (Job 012326) in 2025, and $500K each leg of the 2 legs of the eastern half of the bypass for project development in 2025 (Jobs 090621 and 012366).

2023-2026 STIP Pg. 71/276 (https://www.ardot.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023-2026_STIP_Final_General_Electronic_1.pdf)

Quote from: MikieTimT on April 03, 2023, 12:11:45 PM

Quote from: bugo on April 02, 2023, 05:49:58 AM

This is an error. The AR 612 shield should be a US 412 shield. The latest Street View imagery shows the assembly is still there, but the AR 612 sign is missing. Perhaps they are planning on putting the correct US 412 shield up.

It's not an error, but a placeholder designation like Arkansas does for Interstates as well.  It's still AR-612 as it's not US-412, but US-412 Bypass.  Now they will likely change it to US-412 (until it gets its I-** designation anyway, likely not until the 2030's) when the bypass is completed and change current US-412 to US-412 Business, but we're not anywhere close to that happening yet as the 2023-2026 STIP only has the western leg funded at $100M (Job 012326) in 2025, and $500K each leg of the 2 legs of the eastern half of the bypass for project development in 2025 (Jobs 090621 and 012366).

2023-2026 STIP Pg. 71/276 (https://www.ardot.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023-2026_STIP_Final_General_Electronic_1.pdf)

While yes, the bypass is 612, I think the idea is to redirect traffic to the current US-412 at the western end of the bypass. There's no "West 612" to access except from I-49, and the 612 direction accessible at this interchange is eastbound. So, yes, it is an error.

Quote from: MikieTimT on April 03, 2023, 12:11:45 PM
It's not an error, but a placeholder designation like Arkansas does for Interstates as well.  It's still AR-612 as it's not US-412, but US-412 Bypass.  Now they will likely change it to US-412 (until it gets its I-** designation anyway, likely not until the 2030's) when the bypass is completed and change current US-412 to US-412 Business

I'm not talking about the freeway, I'm talking about the stretch of AR 112 between US 412 and AR 612. The sign shows that AR 612 continues west of the end of the freeway, which is incorrect. Turning left will put you on US 412, not AR 612.

Quote from: bugo on April 04, 2023, 12:52:09 AM

Quote from: MikieTimT on April 03, 2023, 12:11:45 PM
It's not an error, but a placeholder designation like Arkansas does for Interstates as well.  It's still AR-612 as it's not US-412, but US-412 Bypass.  Now they will likely change it to US-412 (until it gets its I-** designation anyway, likely not until the 2030's) when the bypass is completed and change current US-412 to US-412 Business

I'm not talking about the freeway, I'm talking about the stretch of AR 112 between US 412 and AR 612. The sign shows that AR 612 continues west of the end of the freeway, which is incorrect. Turning left will put you on US 412, not AR 612.

Eventually ;)

But I never understood the "TO 612" vs "TO 412"

Hello, first post.  I came here looking for an update on 612 both west to 412 and under 49 to 71B and 265.  It seems since the first segment's completion in 2018, it has always been "next year".  Have they acquired land?  Is there a date set for bids? Or what is next?  Thank you!

Quote from: dafisker on September 06, 2023, 02:43:05 PM
Hello, first post.  I came here looking for an update on 612 both west to 412 and under 49 to 71B and 265.  It seems since the first segment's completion in 2018, it has always been "next year".  Have they acquired land?  Is there a date set for bids? Or what is next?  Thank you!

The western leg of the Springdale Northern Bypass is tied somewhat to the XNA connector road as it will utilize AR-612 as a terminus.  The 2023-2026 STIP (https://www.ardot.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023-2026_STIP_Final_General_Electronic_1.pdf) has $100M allocated in 2025 for the western leg from AR-112 back to US-412 in Tontitown, so that's all that we currently know about timelines, and that's the next leg of AR-612 that will be built.

There's $500K for project development in 2025 for each of the eastern legs, from I-49 to AR-265 and from AR-265 to the end of the twin bridges over the White River east of Sonora on US-412.  So, only engineering work will happen on those legs before 2026.  I attended the Public Involvement Meeting for the I-49 to AR-265 segment earlier this year, and here (https://vpiph03-pi-job-090621-en-ardot.hub.arcgis.com/) are the materials for that meeting.  They'll have to undercut I-49 and make it an overpass for AR-612 mainlines to be the lowest level of the 4 level stack.

US-412/AR-612 will be I-42 eventually.

Oklahoma started the process to sign US-412 as I-42 today:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29375.825

Benton & Washington Hwy. 612 012326 Hwy. 412 — Hwy. 112 (Springdale Bypass) (F) New Location 6.9 $150 - $200 Million. This on the bid list for November 1st. 2023.

Quote from: Gordon on September 11, 2023, 09:34:35 PM
Benton & Washington Hwy. 612 012326 Hwy. 412 — Hwy. 112 (Springdale Bypass) (F) New Location 6.9 $150 - $200 Million. This on the bid list for November 1st. 2023.

Well, they certainly pulled that one forward.  The 2023-2026 STIP had this in 2025 a few months ago (and still to this day), and only at $100M, so nice to see it being made a priority.

Looks like they're making Old Highway 68 the on and off ramps for US-412B back to Tontitown/Springdale.  The current westbound US-412 lanes are going to take a northern bend and become an on ramp to westbound US-412 to tie back into the mainline, which will take an overpass over Old Highway 68 onto AR-612, which will at that point become US-412, relegating the current US-412 to US-412B, but that won't happen until the bypass is completed east of I-49 back to the twin bridges a while into the future.

Pg. 97/911 (https://www.ardot.gov/wp-content/uploads/012326_plans.pdf)

XNA access road construction to begin this summer (https://talkbusiness.net/2024/03/xna-access-road-construction-to-begin-this-summer/)

Groundbreaking for both the XNA Connector and the western leg of AR-612 are April 17.

AR-612's western leg is supposed to be completed in 28 months, whereas the XNA Connector will take right at 3 years.  Work on both to occur concurrently and set to begin this summer.  Long bridges over Osage Creek's floodplain will take a while.

Is there a timeline for when the AR 612 eastern extension to AR 265 might be constructed? Or is it too early to have a construction date for that segment?

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 14, 2024, 01:00:08 PM
Is there a timeline for when the AR 612 eastern extension to AR 265 might be constructed? Or is it too early to have a construction date for that segment?

There was $500K allocated for 2025 in the 2023-2026 STIP to get the ball rolling on the segment from I-49 to AR-265.  The public involvement meeting was last year for that segment, so they'll be getting into engineering and ROW acquisition shortly.  There was a $5M appropriation from the 2024 THUD (Transportation, Housing, and Urban Development) appropriation that was allocated to the US-412 Corridor for the interface for I-49 (which means towards the completion of the 4 level stack of AR-612/I-49), which is the big ticket item for the I-49<-->AR-612 eastern bypass section, so I would expect things to really get rolling on that portion in 2027 since the priority right now is the western segment and XNA Connector, and there was only the $500K 2025 STIP allocation through 2026.  Now, if more federal manna comes like it just did with that $5M appropriation for the interchange, then perhaps things get pulled forward a little, but no bids are out yet with engineering ongoing and without being the STIP, I don't foresee knowing the answer for sure before 2026 when the next STIP comes out.

ARDOT To Break Ground on Springdale Bypass, XNA Connector (https://www.ardot.gov/news/24-109/)

Groundbreaking ceremony at XNA Short Term Parking 4/17/2024 at 11AM.

Late 2026 estimated completion of western leg of AR-612 and late 2027 on XNA Connector.

A sidenote. XNA approached 1 million enplanements last year. This year, the enplanement growth per month is trucking along at a staggering 15%. This is nack to the pre covid boom that placed it in the top 2 or 3 airport growth rates. The road growth in and around XNA has to happen and not just AR 612. Anyone here realize the roads are falling further behind on the ability to handle what's being thrown on them.

Are there any updates on whether a study about possibly constructing a Siloam Springs bypass has been initiated?

Quote from: Wayward Memphian on April 14, 2024, 09:18:17 AMA sidenote. XNA approached 1 million enplanements last year. This year, the enplanement growth per month is trucking along at a staggering 15%. This is nack to the pre covid boom that placed it in the top 2 or 3 airport growth rates. The road growth in and around XNA has to happen and not just AR 612. Anyone here realize the roads are falling further behind on the ability to handle what's being thrown on them.

Yes.  Since I live here, it's quite obvious.  Still in the top 10 fastest growing metros in the U.S. Average of 36 new people a day.  I-49 is pretty much packed and needing additional lanes, and E/W facitilies are at unacceptable LOS at this point during the rather long peak hours in the area, which really can't be called "rush hour" anymore.  At least Wedington Dr. will be 7 laned between I-49 and Salem Rd. by October, which will help that one at least.  They've got to find a way to pull forward the funding on the rest of the Springdale Northern Bypass.

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 14, 2024, 10:49:55 PMAre there any updates on whether a study about possibly constructing a Siloam Springs bypass has been initiated?

Not yet.  Been waiting for the notice for the public involvement meeting, which I expect any day now.

Quote from: MikieTimT on April 15, 2024, 08:43:39 AM

Quote from: Wayward Memphian on April 14, 2024, 09:18:17 AMA sidenote. XNA approached 1 million enplanements last year. This year, the enplanement growth per month is trucking along at a staggering 15%. This is nack to the pre covid boom that placed it in the top 2 or 3 airport growth rates. The road growth in and around XNA has to happen and not just AR 612. Anyone here realize the roads are falling further behind on the ability to handle what's being thrown on them.

Yes.  Since I live here, it's quite obvious.  Still in the top 10 fastest growing metros in the U.S. Average of 36 new people a day.  I-49 is pretty much packed and needing additional lanes, and E/W facitilies are at unacceptable LOS at this point during the rather long peak hours in the area, which really can't be called "rush hour" anymore.  At least Wedington Dr. will be 7 laned between I-49 and Salem Rd. by October, which will help that one at least.  They've got to find a way to pull forward the funding on the rest of the Springdale Northern Bypass.

And... you didn't even touch the east side of  Fayette town.

They'll likely start AR-612 east of I-49 in 2027/28, but the tricky part will be completing the stack with I-49 and undercutting the mainline I-49 lanes.  Then, at least AR-612 will be done to AR-265 2030/31 with only the bypass of Sonora left.

ARDOT broke ground on two major construction projects Wednesday (https://www.4029tv.com/article/ardot-breaking-ground-on-two-major-construction-projects/60521226)

If the local news folks are to be believed, the western leg finishes in 2026 and the leg between I-49 and AR-265 starts mid-2026, so the eastside folks should start to see the light (and red dirt) in a couple of years.

The contractor is hauling dump truck loads of gravel to a lot at the junction of Old AR 68 and US-412 to kick off the next phase of the remaining western leg of AR-612 and the XNA Connector that exits off it, so it was more than a ceremonial groundbreaking.