Indiana Notes

[tdindy88]

The DMS on 65 north of the river reads out the distance and time to SR 56, US 50 and I-465, at least when it's not being used for construction information.

[NWI_Irish96]

The DMS on 65 north of the river reads out the distance and time to SR 56, US 50 and I-465, at least when it's not being used for construction information.

I'm not doubting you, but I see that sign 2-3 times a week and have only ever seen construction information.

[silverback1065]

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/lakeville-lapaz-trying-not-to-be-passed-by-after-u/article_2562b8e4-05f0-5c06-b32e-9f607362b9b5.html

Can anyone confirm that the old us 31 near south bend is signed as SR 931? according to this article it is, what are the signed limits of the highway?

[US 41]

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/lakeville-lapaz-trying-not-to-be-passed-by-after-u/article_2562b8e4-05f0-5c06-b32e-9f607362b9b5.html

Can anyone confirm that the old us 31 near south bend is signed as SR 931? according to this article it is, what are the signed limits of the highway?

I read it is going to be SR 931 in St. Joseph County until sometime later in the year when the county officially will take it over.

http://www.us31plysb.com/faq.html#14

[silverback1065]

I was in terre haute today and saw one of these: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.527248,-87.370892,3a,75y,247.37h,68.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sipwTyyAFJmw5Z4Hb8XYpqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
how long has it been since us 41 was on this road?

[jnewkirk77]

I was in terre haute today and saw one of these: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.527248,-87.370892,3a,75y,247.37h,68.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sipwTyyAFJmw5Z4Hb8XYpqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
how long has it been since us 41 was on this road?

Early '70s, maybe??  It was still sporadically signed as Business 41 (with old signage) in the mid-'90s when I lived up there, but that sign is fairly recent.

[US 41]

I was in terre haute today and saw one of these: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.527248,-87.370892,3a,75y,247.37h,68.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sipwTyyAFJmw5Z4Hb8XYpqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
how long has it been since us 41 was on this road?

Early '70s, maybe??  It was still sporadically signed as Business 41 (with old signage) in the mid-'90s when I lived up there, but that sign is fairly recent.

I live only about 5 miles from where I live so I can explain. They just put a brand new stoplight at the intersection of Park and Lafayette Ave. Note there has been a stoplight there for a long time, but they added turn lanes and a brand new traffic signal a couple of years ago. Before the new stoplight there was a Business US 41 sign in the same spot. Whenever they reconstructed the intersection, for some reason they decided to put a new US 41 sign up on the road, rather than a Business 41 sign. Why? I have no idea. I wouldn't have replaced it at all since Lafayette isn't really Business 41 anymore.

Here's a streetview image of the old sign.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.527251,-87.370889,3a,75y,263.9h,92.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7Jslnc3prvyXMtF2_jfzdA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664!6m1!1e1?hl=en-US

[NWI_Irish96]

I live only about 5 miles from where I live

That's quite a talent you have there.  I wish I could do that.

[bmeiser]

I live only about 5 miles from where I live

That's quite a talent you have there.  I wish I could do that.

Live-ception 

[ysuindy]

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/lakeville-lapaz-trying-not-to-be-passed-by-after-u/article_2562b8e4-05f0-5c06-b32e-9f607362b9b5.html

Can anyone confirm that the old us 31 near south bend is signed as SR 931? according to this article it is, what are the signed limits of the highway?

I will be up there in a few weeks and will try to check.  I did not see any 931 signs when I was last there in May.

Interesting story - I wonder how much money Lakeville lost last year in reduced speeding tickets given, particularly on Notre Dame football weekends.  I don't miss that speed trap at all (and no, they never got me).

[US 41]

I live only about 5 miles from where I live

That's quite a talent you have there.  I wish I could do that.

Live-ception 

Oops. Perfect example of me not double checking what I typed.

[NWI_Irish96]

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/lakeville-lapaz-trying-not-to-be-passed-by-after-u/article_2562b8e4-05f0-5c06-b32e-9f607362b9b5.html

Can anyone confirm that the old us 31 near south bend is signed as SR 931? according to this article it is, what are the signed limits of the highway?

I thought I read somewhere that it was going to be an unsigned highway.  Later when I have time I will check the US 31 Plymouth-SB thread because that's where I think I read it.

[silverback1065]

this cant be good...
http://wlfi.com/2015/08/04/stretch-of-i-65-closed-for-emergency-bridge-repairs/

[Rushmeister]

this cant be good...
http://wlfi.com/2015/08/04/stretch-of-i-65-closed-for-emergency-bridge-repairs/

It's not.  I'd characterize it as double-plus ungood. 

I witnessed much of the post—rush-hour mayhem on the south side of Lafayette yesterday.   Teal Rd was a disaster.   How much of this was caused by westbound US 52 traffic faithfully following the US 52 route markers from Sagamore Pkwy onto Teal Rd, thinking they were doing the right thing by staying on the marked highway?  I don't know.  Many trucks continued north on Sagamore Pkwy for their transit through/around Lafayette, presumably knowing from experience that the now-unsigned 4-lane road around Lafayette was the better option for them.  Good for them. 

I-65 closures in the Lafayette area usually result in this kind of flustercluck.  The overhead message boards on I-65 south of Indy are warning motorists about the road closure.  Those warning messages start at MM 86 now. Boards on WB I-70 and I-74 east of Indy have similar messages.

Man, I would just avoid the whole mess and take I-74 west from Indy to Crawfordsville, exiting onto US 231 north there.  Sure, you'll get slowed down a bit in the Lafayette area, but you would avoid the long backups on US 52 near Clarks Hill and the mess that has been created all along IND 28 from I-65 to Romney.  (Check out the traffic speeds on Google Maps for real-time confirmation of this.)  Hopefully everything will be back to "normal" by the end of the day.

[silverback1065]

this cant be good...
http://wlfi.com/2015/08/04/stretch-of-i-65-closed-for-emergency-bridge-repairs/

It's not.  I'd characterize it as double-plus ungood. 

I witnessed much of the post—rush-hour mayhem on the south side of Lafayette yesterday.   Teal Rd was a disaster.   How much of this was caused by westbound US 52 traffic faithfully following the US 52 route markers from Sagamore Pkwy onto Teal Rd, thinking they were doing the right thing by staying on the marked highway?  I don't know.  Many trucks continued north on Sagamore Pkwy for their transit through/around Lafayette, presumably knowing from experience that the now-unsigned 4-lane road around Lafayette was the better option for them.  Good for them. 

I-65 closures in the Lafayette area usually result in this kind of flustercluck.  The overhead message boards on I-65 south of Indy are warning motorists about the road closure.  Those warning messages start at MM 86 now. Boards on WB I-70 and I-74 east of Indy have similar messages.

Man, I would just avoid the whole mess and take I-74 west from Indy to Crawfordsville, exiting onto US 231 north there.  Sure, you'll get slowed down a bit in the Lafayette area, but you would avoid the long backups on US 52 near Clarks Hill and the mess that has been created all along IND 28 from I-65 to Romney.  (Check out the traffic speeds on Google Maps for real-time confirmation of this.)  Hopefully everything will be back to "normal" by the end of the day.

This is exactly why us 52 should never have been rerouted.  they need to post "emergency detour i-65" shields along sagamore parkway
Is it open yet?

[bmeiser]

I think we all knew this would come back to bite INDOT in the ass some day...

Here's the backup on I-65 at US 52 as of ~ noon.  Looks like it's backing up past SR 32:


It's eerie following the traffic cameras north towards lafayette and seeing no northbound traffic.  Probably even more eerie driving southbound.

As mentioned earlier, the traffic looks pretty awful in the Clarks Hill / Romney area.

According to this map, 231 seems to actually be flowing fairly well even though it doesn't turn to 4 lanes until a few miles north of 28.

Sagamore Parkway looks pretty awful in Lafayette.  I'm sure the construction going on there isn't helping the situation.

[2trailertrucker]

The interstate is back open as of 8:15 tonight.

INDOT: I-65 bridge reopening section-by-section. Details in app.

http://www.wthr.com/story/29707484/northbound-i-65-closed-in-tippecanoe-co-for-unsafe-bridge

(Sent from WTHR)

[TravelingBethelite]

I think we all knew this would come back to bite INDOT in the ass some day...

Here's the backup on I-65 at US 52 as of ~ noon.  Looks like it's backing up past SR 32:


It's eerie following the traffic cameras north towards lafayette and seeing no northbound traffic.  Probably even more eerie driving southbound.

As mentioned earlier, the traffic looks pretty awful in the Clarks Hill / Romney area.

According to this map, 231 seems to actually be flowing fairly well even though it doesn't turn to 4 lanes until a few miles north of 28.

Sagamore Parkway looks pretty awful in Lafayette.  I'm sure the construction going on there isn't helping the situation.

I'm sorry if this unrelated, but why does it look like all traffic cameras still use VHS?
ON TOPIC: Why is INDOT still letting heavy vehicle traffic over a sagging bridge? Oy. 

[silverback1065]

I think we all knew this would come back to bite INDOT in the ass some day...

Here's the backup on I-65 at US 52 as of ~ noon.  Looks like it's backing up past SR 32:


It's eerie following the traffic cameras north towards lafayette and seeing no northbound traffic.  Probably even more eerie driving southbound.

As mentioned earlier, the traffic looks pretty awful in the Clarks Hill / Romney area.

According to this map, 231 seems to actually be flowing fairly well even though it doesn't turn to 4 lanes until a few miles north of 28.

Sagamore Parkway looks pretty awful in Lafayette.  I'm sure the construction going on there isn't helping the situation.

I'm sorry if this unrelated, but why does it look like all traffic cameras still use VHS?
ON TOPIC: Why is INDOT still letting heavy vehicle traffic over a sagging bridge? Oy. 

It's been fixed, I don't know the technical name but those metal boxes that hold up the beams that cross the top of the peers fell off causing the sagging, the put them back on and everything is back to normal.

[andy]

It's been fixed, I don't know the technical name but those metal boxes that hold up the beams that cross the top of the peers fell off causing the sagging, the put them back on and everything is back to normal.

If I understand you correctly, I believe those are simply called "bearings". Sort of makes sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_bearing

[silverback1065]

It's been fixed, I don't know the technical name but those metal boxes that hold up the beams that cross the top of the peers fell off causing the sagging, the put them back on and everything is back to normal.

If I understand you correctly, I believe those are simply called "bearings". Sort of makes sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_bearing

correct, here's a closeup of one here: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.912326,-86.114254,3a,15y,172.71h,114.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPDHwK1dn1gUChi4L8oV55g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26output%3Dthumbnail%26thumb%3D2%26panoid%3DPDHwK1dn1gUChi4L8oV55g%26w%3D88%26h%3D60%26yaw%3D83%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D96%26ll%3D39.912326,-86.114254!7i13312!8i6656

[Pete from Boston]

Not sure if it's come up yet but I was on US 41 in Evansville a few weeks ago and it looks like all movements are paved (in concrete) at the intersection with the Lloyd Expressway (Indiana 62/66).  This is the intersection that a traffic light on either side but is being converted to a full cloverleaf. The night I was there a new pedestrian span was being hoisted into place over the Lloyd adjacent to 41.

[silverback1065]

Not sure if it's come up yet but I was on US 41 in Evansville a few weeks ago and it looks like all movements are paved (in concrete) at the intersection with the Lloyd Expressway (Indiana 62/66).  This is the intersection that a traffic light on either side but is being converted to a full cloverleaf. The night I was there a new pedestrian span was being hoisted into place over the Lloyd adjacent to 41.

Cool, is this supposed to be done this fall?

[iBallasticwolf2]

Not sure if it's come up yet but I was on US 41 in Evansville a few weeks ago and it looks like all movements are paved (in concrete) at the intersection with the Lloyd Expressway (Indiana 62/66).  This is the intersection that a traffic light on either side but is being converted to a full cloverleaf. The night I was there a new pedestrian span was being hoisted into place over the Lloyd adjacent to 41.

I happened to go through that area on the Lloyd Expressway a week ago and can confirm the concrete aspect of this.

[Pete from Boston]

Not sure if it's come up yet but I was on US 41 in Evansville a few weeks ago and it looks like all movements are paved (in concrete) at the intersection with the Lloyd Expressway (Indiana 62/66).  This is the intersection that a traffic light on either side but is being converted to a full cloverleaf. The night I was there a new pedestrian span was being hoisted into place over the Lloyd adjacent to 41.

Cool, is this supposed to be done this fall?

Not sure, but they would have to really slow down not to be.