Indiana Notes

[nwi_navigator_1181]

I wouldn't be surprised it US 12 and 20 were cosigned from where they meet just east of 65 all the way to the state line, does us 12 really need to split off at all west of 912?

I would guess that East Chicago is not interested in taking over Columbus Dr or Indianapolis Blvd, so they would need to remain separate, or else you'd need to turn one of the two into a state highway if you want to keep 12 and 20 together.

That's pretty much it. Keeping 12 and 20 together would be viable, but that would leave Columbus Drive in the hands of East Chicago, and with all I've been reading, they probably don't want that burden right now. Indianapolis Boulevard would still be in INDOT's hands.

However, when work FINALLY begins to rebuild the Cline Avenue bridge and if/when revenue from tolls start to roll in, then that may be a subject to revisit.

[silverback1065]

unless they plan to add an exit at indianapolis blvd, I doubt they'd add anymore routes to it.  I suspect 312 will be the next to go.   

[US 41]

I know INDOT is all about decommissioning their highways, but I really think, just by looking at a map, that SR 70 should be extended north along Old US 231 to SR 62.

[Life in Paradise]

I know INDOT is all about decommissioning their highways, but I really think, just by looking at a map, that SR 70 should be extended north along Old US 231 to SR 62.

Just NE of Tell City there is another portion of Indiana 70, and it is not marked between the two segments.  I don't think INDOT really cares about orphaned roads as long as they can drop them off of their ledger.

I was up in Franklin a few weeks ago and came in on IN 44.  When I left to return home, I was looking for the intersection of IN 44 and US 31, and couldn't find it.  IN 44 starts about 1 mile west of US 31.  It also appears east of Franklin, but not marked through the town.

[US 41]

I know INDOT is all about decommissioning their highways, but I really think, just by looking at a map, that SR 70 should be extended north along Old US 231 to SR 62.

Just NE of Tell City there is another portion of Indiana 70, and it is not marked between the two segments.  I don't think INDOT really cares about orphaned roads as long as they can drop them off of their ledger.

I was up in Franklin a few weeks ago and came in on IN 44.  When I left to return home, I was looking for the intersection of IN 44 and US 31, and couldn't find it.  IN 44 starts about 1 mile west of US 31.  It also appears east of Franklin, but not marked through the town.

Wow! That might be the dumbest thing INDOT has ever done. INDOT is a complete joke. They care more about finishing I-69 then actually taking care of the roads that already exist. Now we have roads and bridges that are (literally) falling apart.

[Great Lakes Roads]

Here is something I found while searching around Google on INDOT construction...

http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/31474784/indot-announces-117m-in-road-projects

[mukade]

Just NE of Tell City there is another portion of Indiana 70, and it is not marked between the two segments.  I don't think INDOT really cares about orphaned roads as long as they can drop them off of their ledger.

I was up in Franklin a few weeks ago and came in on IN 44.  When I left to return home, I was looking for the intersection of IN 44 and US 31, and couldn't find it.  IN 44 starts about 1 mile west of US 31.  It also appears east of Franklin, but not marked through the town.

Wow! That might be the dumbest thing INDOT has ever done. INDOT is a complete joke. They care more about finishing I-69 then actually taking care of the roads that already exist. Now we have roads and bridges that are (literally) falling apart.

Such decommissionings have happened since at least 2004 so it is nothing new. SR 61 has ended at the Vincennes city limits for over 10 years.

The problem with INDOT is the poor marking of former state highways in cities where decommissionings happened. The issue is not that they don't maintain roads and bridges any worse than before. The press release today said this:

Over the last three years, state bridges rated as "fair or better" have increased from 93 percent to 95.3 percent. The national average is 94 percent.

[silverback1065]

I'm not posting this for political reasons, just find it interesting all of these projects that could have happened, but didn't: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/03/28/transportation-dollars-remain-unspent-years-later/82253034/

The weird gap that SR 128/332 makes between SR 37/13 and I-69 was going to be a state road at one point. 

[Rothman]

I'm not posting this for political reasons, just find it interesting all of these projects that could have happened, but didn't: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/03/28/transportation-dollars-remain-unspent-years-later/82253034/

The weird gap that SR 128/332 makes between SR 37/13 and I-69 was going to be a state road at one point. 

Sounds like they were old earmarks that were not large enough to take a real bite out of the overall cost of the projects mentioned.  Now that FHWA is allowing them to be swept up and reassigned under FAST, the money will be used somehow.

[silverback1065]

Anyone from the Goshen area have any idea where SR 4 ends now?  Looking at the street view which is current as of last yr (oct 2015), SR 4 signs are now gone at its end point at US 33/SR 15.  Knowing INDOT, it probably just ends at the town boarder.  Was its decommissioning a result of the incoming reroute of us 33 around downtown?  Also, what does this mean for SR 15?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5864309,-85.8345059,3a,75y,95.44h,76.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1susbhkUu_0AXYUlqTBtkAyQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[US 41]

I wish INDOT could make a deal to leave the state highway signs up on decommissioned roads or at least put "TO" signs up. It's kind of confusing to have state highways end at town limits and then start up again on the other side. Their already paying these towns to take over the highway. Part of the deal should be that they can leave their state highway shields up.

[rawmustard]

Anyone from the Goshen area have any idea where SR 4 ends now?  Looking at the street view which is current as of last yr (oct 2015), SR 4 signs are now gone at its end point at US 33/SR 15.  Knowing INDOT, it probably just ends at the town boarder.  Was its decommissioning a result of the incoming reroute of us 33 around downtown?  Also, what does this mean for SR 15?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5864309,-85.8345059,3a,75y,95.44h,76.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1susbhkUu_0AXYUlqTBtkAyQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It ends at the Goshen city limits, as there are begin and end signs there. (This took me by surprise when I drove through a few weeks ago.)

[silverback1065]

I Wonder what this means for SR 15, surely they won't do the same to it too. They should just get rid of this entire section of SR 4

[silverback1065]

SR 37 is the final route for 69 as per this article: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/03/29/ind-37-chosen-last-leg--69/82177650/

[US 41]

I may be wrong, but it appears that INDOT may be rebuilding the Otter Creek bridges on US 41. They have road construction signs posted and the "end construction" signs are on the opposite sides of the bridges. I'll keep everyone updated on that little project. It's supposed to start on April 4th.

[theline]

Anyone from the Goshen area have any idea where SR 4 ends now?  Looking at the street view which is current as of last yr (oct 2015), SR 4 signs are now gone at its end point at US 33/SR 15.  Knowing INDOT, it probably just ends at the town boarder.  Was its decommissioning a result of the incoming reroute of us 33 around downtown?  Also, what does this mean for SR 15?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5864309,-85.8345059,3a,75y,95.44h,76.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1susbhkUu_0AXYUlqTBtkAyQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It ends at the Goshen city limits, as there are begin and end signs there. (This took me by surprise when I drove through a few weeks ago.)

If you go half a block east of Main St. in GSV, there is an overhead END SR-4 sign. I assume that is just left over, and may be gone now: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5864446,-85.8336872,3a,75y,270h,76.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjjI4bqaSagCaGvmPMzIMYg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[silverback1065]

It is if you look at it from us 33 it's gone.

[Henry]

SR 37 is the final route for 69 as per this article: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/03/29/ind-37-chosen-last-leg--69/82177650/

I knew it was only a matter of time before it happened. Really, how else would you route I-69 from Bloomington back to Indianapolis?

[silverback1065]

SR 37 is the final route for 69 as per this article: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/03/29/ind-37-chosen-last-leg--69/82177650/

I knew it was only a matter of time before it happened. Really, how else would you route I-69 from Bloomington back to Indianapolis?

They had some bad ideas thankfully they didn't pick any of those

[nwi_navigator_1181]

Plenty of interstate road work underway this week and going throughout the spring and summer. What to look out for:

Interstate 65 (from I-80/94 to U.S. 30): work on concrete pavement restoration begins Monday (April 18). Nighttime work will reduce traffic to one lane as workers prepare to shift lanes. Three lanes of traffic are to be maintained during daytime hours. Work will be split into two sets of two stages; northbound lanes will be repaired from U.S. 30 to 61st Avenue, followed by southbound. The same system will be in place from 61st Avenue to I-80/94.

Interstate 94: More bridge refurbishments are scheduled east of Indiana 49 and south of the Michigan state line. Also, there's work set to begin from just east of Indiana 249 to the Indiana Toll Road ramp. Speaking of the Toll Road...

Indiana Toll Road: Work has started on the big capital repair project mentioned in this thread a few weeks ago. Work begins in two 10-mile sections: the stretch from the Lake Station exit to Indiana 49 (mile 21 to 31) and the stretch from US 421 to Indiana 39 (mile 40 to 50). Lane closures are round-the-clock and WILL result in heavy delays. (Today, I saw the loop ramp from I-94 east to the Toll Road entry log jammed, along with the mainline itself.)

If you have to travel to Ohio, it would be quicker to take I-94 to U.S. 20 East (exit 40A) to Indiana 39 south, and pick up the Toll Road from there.

[ssummers72]

Here is the roadwork in a nutshell:

I-80/94: By June it will under construction from Calumet Avenue to the IN/MI Line

Toll Road: MM-20 to MM-93

US-20: US-12 to SR-51, SR-249 to SR-149, A bridge project between SR-149 and SR-49

I-65 from I-80/94 South to US-30, From the Kankakee River Bridge South to Lafayette

This is just the beginning

[silverback1065]

does anyone have any idea what's about to happen on SR 37 from around 146th st to 191st st?  It can't be the roundabout interchanges. I see survey stakes and all the reflectors in the road have been removed.

[tdindy88]

I believe they are just repaving it.

[silverback1065]

I think 465 will be widened from us 421 to us 31 in the far future, they are closing ditch road for a few days to do a geotechnical study, I read that it was for a future bridge project, it may be nothing but a replacement, but it sure seems that this is the ultimate purpose. Anyone else hear about this?

[2trailertrucker]

The bridges along for 65 from US 421 to US 31 are under height along that stretch. 13'7" and 13'3" clearances are problematic for truckers. Even though they are on the shoulder, these bridges need to be redone.