Indiana Notes

[tdindy88]

An "I-31" shield, did I read that right?

[cjw2001]

That's mile 131 - sure you didn't just mis read the 1 as an I ?

When I look on google maps street view the mile marker signs look fine.

[silverback1065]

An "I-31" shield, did I read that right?

yes you did, they screwed up, it's not on street view.  i'll see if i can get a picture.  i did a double take when i saw it!

[bmeiser]

Sounds like the "US 37" shields painted on 69 in Fishers

[csw]

US 30 between Warsaw and Fort Wayne is already a nice divided highway with 60 mph speed limits in the rural areas, what more do you guys want? We can't make every road an interstate.

[Revive 755]

US 30 between Warsaw and Fort Wayne is already a nice divided highway with 60 mph speed limits in the rural areas, what more do you guys want? We can't make every road an interstate.

How about an expressway free of stoplights and where the speed limit never drops below 65?

[silverback1065]

Sounds like the "US 37" shields painted on 69 in Fishers

i just drove by and they fixed it! (us 37 shields in fishers)

[ysuindy]

Sounds like the "US 37" shields painted on 69 in Fishers

i just drove by and they fixed it! (us 37 shields in fishers)

Yes - I noticed that Wednesday evening and remembered I needed to post about it. I am positive the US 37 shields were there last week.  I did not go that way Monday evening or over the weekend, so I'm not sure when they changed it, but very recently.

The pavement markings are now 37 in a square.

[SEWIGuy]

US 30 between Warsaw and Fort Wayne is already a nice divided highway with 60 mph speed limits in the rural areas, what more do you guys want? We can't make every road an interstate.

How about an expressway free of stoplights and where the speed limit never drops below 65?

Do traffic counts warrant that?  Or do we just want to knock five minutes off a trip for convenience sake?

[bmeiser]

Sounds like the "US 37" shields painted on 69 in Fishers

i just drove by and they fixed it! (us 37 shields in fishers)

Yes - I noticed that Wednesday evening and remembered I needed to post about it. I am positive the US 37 shields were there last week.  I did not go that way Monday evening or over the weekend, so I'm not sure when they changed it, but very recently.

The pavement markings are now 37 in a square.

I find this rather hilarious.  I'm sure not too many people even noticed.

[silverback1065]

Sounds like the "US 37" shields painted on 69 in Fishers

i just drove by and they fixed it! (us 37 shields in fishers)

Yes - I noticed that Wednesday evening and remembered I needed to post about it. I am positive the US 37 shields were there last week.  I did not go that way Monday evening or over the weekend, so I'm not sure when they changed it, but very recently.

The pavement markings are now 37 in a square.

I find this rather hilarious.  I'm sure not too many people even noticed.

only us road geeks would notice    i notice signage and marking fuck ups all the time.  the most common are the pedestrian crossing signs with the arrow pointing the wrong way. 

[ysuindy]

Sounds like the "US 37" shields painted on 69 in Fishers

i just drove by and they fixed it! (us 37 shields in fishers)

Yes - I noticed that Wednesday evening and remembered I needed to post about it. I am positive the US 37 shields were there last week.  I did not go that way Monday evening or over the weekend, so I'm not sure when they changed it, but very recently.

The pavement markings are now 37 in a square.

I find this rather hilarious.  I'm sure not too many people even noticed.

Sounds like the "US 37" shields painted on 69 in Fishers

i just drove by and they fixed it! (us 37 shields in fishers)

Yes - I noticed that Wednesday evening and remembered I needed to post about it. I am positive the US 37 shields were there last week.  I did not go that way Monday evening or over the weekend, so I'm not sure when they changed it, but very recently.

The pavement markings are now 37 in a square.

I find this rather hilarious.  I'm sure not too many people even noticed.

only us road geeks would notice    i notice signage and marking fuck ups all the time.  the most common are the pedestrian crossing signs with the arrow pointing the wrong way. 

Guilty as charged....

[NWI_Irish96]

US 30 between Warsaw and Fort Wayne is already a nice divided highway with 60 mph speed limits in the rural areas, what more do you guys want? We can't make every road an interstate.

How about an expressway free of stoplights and where the speed limit never drops below 65?

Do traffic counts warrant that?  Or do we just want to knock five minutes off a trip for convenience sake?

The discussion was precipitated by a rash of serious accidents on 30, so no it isn't just for convenience sake.

[nwi_navigator_1181]

US 30 between Warsaw and Fort Wayne is already a nice divided highway with 60 mph speed limits in the rural areas, what more do you guys want? We can't make every road an interstate.

How about an expressway free of stoplights and where the speed limit never drops below 65?

Do traffic counts warrant that?  Or do we just want to knock five minutes off a trip for convenience sake?

The discussion was precipitated by a rash of serious accidents on 30, so no it isn't just for convenience sake.

Also mentioned up-thread was the predicted spike in traffic counts along US 30 in the coming years (an increase of ADT by about 50,000), possibly due to drivers evading the Toll Road. There is some level of justification for freeway conversion.

[sparker]

US 30 between Warsaw and Fort Wayne is already a nice divided highway with 60 mph speed limits in the rural areas, what more do you guys want? We can't make every road an interstate.

How about an expressway free of stoplights and where the speed limit never drops below 65?

Do traffic counts warrant that?  Or do we just want to knock five minutes off a trip for convenience sake?

The discussion was precipitated by a rash of serious accidents on 30, so no it isn't just for convenience sake.

Also mentioned up-thread was the predicted spike in traffic counts along US 30 in the coming years (an increase of ADT by about 50,000), possibly due to drivers evading the Toll Road. There is some level of justification for freeway conversion.

We pretty much know that Indiana's not totally averse to freeway or at least expressway development -- I-69 and the Heartland corridor attest to that -- but unless Ohio's on board with similar US 30 freeway upgrades, development of that route through Indiana might be a futile pursuit.  Unless -- the idea was to shunt traffic onto US 24 east of Ft. Wayne to get it back to I-80/90 in the Toledo area (essentially shunpiking the problematic ITR but not most of the Ohio Turnpike).

[JREwing78]

We pretty much know that Indiana's not totally averse to freeway or at least expressway development -- I-69 and the Heartland corridor attest to that -- but unless Ohio's on board with similar US 30 freeway upgrades, development of that route through Indiana might be a futile pursuit.  Unless -- the idea was to shunt traffic onto US 24 east of Ft. Wayne to get it back to I-80/90 in the Toledo area (essentially shunpiking the problematic ITR but not most of the Ohio Turnpike).

US 30 is expressway or freeway in Ohio (i.e. no stoplights) from I-71 in Mansfield clear to the Indiana line. Not much more you can really ask of them other than to eliminate the remaining cross-traffic and to continue work east of Mansfield. But as it sits now, US 30 is a considerably safer drive in western Ohio than in Indiana.

[SEWIGuy]

US 30 between Warsaw and Fort Wayne is already a nice divided highway with 60 mph speed limits in the rural areas, what more do you guys want? We can't make every road an interstate.

How about an expressway free of stoplights and where the speed limit never drops below 65?

Do traffic counts warrant that?  Or do we just want to knock five minutes off a trip for convenience sake?

The discussion was precipitated by a rash of serious accidents on 30, so no it isn't just for convenience sake.

Also mentioned up-thread was the predicted spike in traffic counts along US 30 in the coming years (an increase of ADT by about 50,000), possibly due to drivers evading the Toll Road. There is some level of justification for freeway conversion.

Thank you both.  Should have read more obviously.

[nwi_navigator_1181]

It's all good. I agree with the "not building a freeway for the sake of convenience argument," but since US 30 is the only major divided highway serving Northern Indiana from end to end (the Toll Road being the other), rebuilding it as a viable, free-flowing roadway would help alleviate the ever growing pressure.

On that note...next week, work on I-65 between the Kankakee River bridges and US 30 will pick up significantly. Lane shifts between Indiana 2 and US 231 have already been completed, and shifts from US 231 to US 30 will be implemented next week. On or after July 10, the 93rd Avenue overpass will be closed six weeks for resurfacing. The 113th Avenue overpass will be worked on immediately after.

[mgk920]

It's all good. I agree with the "not building a freeway for the sake of convenience argument," but since US 30 is the only major divided highway serving Northern Indiana from end to end (the Toll Road being the other), rebuilding it as a viable, free-flowing roadway would help alleviate the ever growing pressure.

On that note...next week, work on I-65 between the Kankakee River bridges and US 30 will pick up significantly. Lane shifts between Indiana 2 and US 231 have already been completed, and shifts from US 231 to US 30 will be implemented next week. On or after July 10, the 93rd Avenue overpass will be closed six weeks for resurfacing. The 113th Avenue overpass will be worked on immediately after.

Is US 30 covered by the Toll Road's 'no compete' agreement with InDOT?

Mike

[ukfan758]

Are crews still working on the newly widened part of 65 south of Indy? I drove through there for the Indy 500 and the new lane had a very rough transition to the original lanes (was built higher).

[Revive 755]

so I-PASS / EZ-PASS users will pay more then cash?? with added fee? or is that going away?

To clear this up...the electronic toll rate will increase to match the cash rate in June. On July 1, the overall toll rate (which will be the same for both cash and electronic payers) will increase again. This increase was already scheduled before this news broke.

So, an equal rate regardless of whatever method you use to pay.

Doesn't look that way for every toll plaza per the recent toll rate listing posted.  Granted it's only a difference of a few pennies.

[tdindy88]

Are crews still working on the newly widened part of 65 south of Indy? I drove through there for the Indy 500 and the new lane had a very rough transition to the original lanes (was built higher).

Are you talking from I-465 to Southport Road or Southport Road to Franklin/SR 44. If it's the former, that stretch of highway "is" complete. It is just the contractors had no intent apparently in redoing the entire width of the highway, only adding the lane to the side and patching up any connections between the two. Compared with south of Southport Road where the entire interstate was rebuilt with lane additions. I think the building of the two-lane flyover ramp at the 465/65 interchange took too much energy from the rest of the project resulting in them doing the bare minimum on I-65 south of there. INDOT will likely throw money at someone else to completely repave that stretch of highway somewhere down the road.

[silverback1065]

Are crews still working on the newly widened part of 65 south of Indy? I drove through there for the Indy 500 and the new lane had a very rough transition to the original lanes (was built higher).

Are you talking from I-465 to Southport Road or Southport Road to Franklin/SR 44. If it's the former, that stretch of highway "is" complete. It is just the contractors had no intent apparently in redoing the entire width of the highway, only adding the lane to the side and patching up any connections between the two. Compared with south of Southport Road where the entire interstate was rebuilt with lane additions. I think the building of the two-lane flyover ramp at the 465/65 interchange took too much energy from the rest of the project resulting in them doing the bare minimum on I-65 south of there. INDOT will likely throw money at someone else to completely repave that stretch of highway somewhere down the road.

Is it still concrete and asphalt?

Nexus 6P

[silverback1065]

Cool video on how INDOT makes signs
http://wishtv.com/2017/07/09/getting-an-inside-look-at-the-citys-signs-with-indot/

Nexus 6P

[csw]

Pretty interesting. Nothing really surprising as far as the manufacturing process goes but I'd love to spend a few hours browsing that warehouse.