Indiana Notes

[SkyPesos]

It's the Cabela's or Bass Pro Shop of Convenience stores.

They are building locations in Richmond Ky off I-75 and I think near Bowling Green on I-65

I would love to see a location on I-65 maybe Greenwood or that dead exit north of Indianapolis

SM-G950U

I would've thought a convenience store chain wouldn't advertise in a state far from their current operations, unless they're going to open a store in Indiana, but guess I got proved wrong.

Also, 552 miles to the nearest location is a lot. That's about the same distance as advertising Washington DC tourism in Indianapolis.

[mukade]

There is this article about the Buc-ee's billboard.

But Indiana is set to have some Hy-Vee super markets according to this article (not that they are even in the same category of stores).

[2trailertrucker]

I saw that billboard today as well. It reminded me of the Wall Drugs signs for hundreds of miles in South Dakota!

A Wally's opened up earlier this year in Pontiac IL off of I-55. I was impressed with the size, cleanliness and the staff were personable. It is the same concept as Buc-ee's.

[NWI_Irish96]

There is this article about the Buc-ee's billboard.

But Indiana is set to have some Hy-Vee super markets according to this article (not that they are even in the same category of stores).

Kind of ridiculous. What percentage of traffic at that location is even going that far on I-65?

[2trailertrucker]

There is this article about the Buc-ee's billboard.

But Indiana is set to have some Hy-Vee super markets according to this article (not that they are even in the same category of stores).

Kind of ridiculous. What percentage of traffic at that location is even going that far on I-65?

I think it is successful. After all we are talking about it.

[bmeiser]

There is this article about the Buc-ee's billboard.

But Indiana is set to have some Hy-Vee super markets according to this article (not that they are even in the same category of stores).

Kind of ridiculous. What percentage of traffic at that location is even going that far on I-65?

I think it is successful. After all we are talking about it.

Exactly! And I bet we will all be more likely to stop at one on our next road trip south.

[JREwing78]

Straight from the Wall Drug playbook. Heading west on I-90, you see the first signs advertising it in eastern Minnesota, about 500 miles away.

[ran4sh]

The nearest Buc-ee's to that billboard is actually in Calhoun GA on I-75 (about 530 miles) so whether one's next road trip to the south is on I-65 or I-75 there is a Buc-ee's near both routes.

[Rushmeister]

The nearest Buc-ee's to that billboard is actually in Calhoun GA on I-75 (about 530 miles) so whether one's next road trip to the south is on I-65 or I-75 there is a Buc-ee's near both routes.

I'm voting for Leeds, Alabama.  My Googling puts it exactly 552 miles (give or take a smidge) from that sign.  I'm going to a Purdue basketball game tonight, so I'll be driving through there.  Gotta get a look at this thing.

An age-old, but seldom-used, advertising gimmick.  In this case, I think it's also about the brand, not just the store's location, which is actually on I-20 east of Birmingham.

[Rushmeister]

The nearest Buc-ee's to that billboard is actually in Calhoun GA on I-75 (about 530 miles) so whether one's next road trip to the south is on I-65 or I-75 there is a Buc-ee's near both routes.

I'm voting for Leeds, Alabama.  My Googling puts it exactly 552 miles (give or take a smidge) from that sign.  I'm going to a Purdue basketball game tonight, so I'll be driving through there.  Gotta get a look at this thing.

An age-old, but seldom-used, advertising gimmick.  In this case, I think it's also about the brand, not just the store's location, which is actually on I-20 east of Birmingham.

Duh.  If I had just clicked on the story link earlier in the thread, I could have saved myself the trouble of Googling (but it was fun, though -- love to solve puzzles, right?).  The sign, indeed, refers to the Leeds, Alabama, Buc-ee's location.

I did see the sign late last night on my way home from West Lafayette.  My wife said, "Buc-ee's?  Never heard of it."  My reply, "Now you have.  Advertising works in mysterious ways."

[monty]

Buc-cees is worth a visit. Huge travel center. Lots of food options.

[SkyPesos]

Buc-cees is worth a visit. Huge travel center. Lots of food options.

It's an issue when the nearest one is 552 miles on I-65, and I changed from I-65 to I-74 that night 

[SSR_317]

Straight from the Wall Drug playbook. Heading west on I-90, you see the first signs advertising it in eastern Minnesota, about 500 miles away.

Also, Harold's Club in Reno, NV used to have signs all over the country, giving the mileage to their establishment. Sadly, the place no longer exists, having closed in 1995 and its building was torn down in 1999.

[jhuntin1]

Anyone who has driven I-65 between Lafayette and Chicago is probably familiar with the stretch between mile markers 217 and 223 where the "Road Noise" signs are posted. I had to drive up to Wisconsin and back over Christmas weekend to see the wife's family, and northbound there was a one-mile construction zone posted with no equipment present. I could see the pavement looked noticeably different, and driving over that one-mile stretch the road noise was noticeably better. Out of the construction zone, the pavement returned to normal and was the usual noisy drive. Did INDOT diamond-grind that section or do something to improve it, or was I just imagining it? If anyone knows, are they planning to do anything permanent to that stretch? 

[silverback1065]

Anyone who has driven I-65 between Lafayette and Chicago is probably familiar with the stretch between mile markers 217 and 223 where the "Road Noise" signs are posted. I had to drive up to Wisconsin and back over Christmas weekend to see the wife's family, and northbound there was a one-mile construction zone posted with no equipment present. I could see the pavement looked noticeably different, and driving over that one-mile stretch the road noise was noticeably better. Out of the construction zone, the pavement returned to normal and was the usual noisy drive. Did INDOT diamond-grind that section or do something to improve it, or was I just imagining it? If anyone knows, are they planning to do anything permanent to that stretch?

I've always wondered why this part of the road was noisy anyone know why?

[jhuntin1]

From the look of it (passing by at 70+, mind you), it looks like the seams in the pavement were sealed somehow and either buckled upward or were placed too high to begin with.

[NWI_Irish96]

Anyone who has driven I-65 between Lafayette and Chicago is probably familiar with the stretch between mile markers 217 and 223 where the "Road Noise" signs are posted. I had to drive up to Wisconsin and back over Christmas weekend to see the wife's family, and northbound there was a one-mile construction zone posted with no equipment present. I could see the pavement looked noticeably different, and driving over that one-mile stretch the road noise was noticeably better. Out of the construction zone, the pavement returned to normal and was the usual noisy drive. Did INDOT diamond-grind that section or do something to improve it, or was I just imagining it? If anyone knows, are they planning to do anything permanent to that stretch?

I've always wondered why this part of the road was noisy anyone know why?

That section used to be this weird concrete with what I would describe as grooves that created weird tire noises. It got repaved a few years back.

[ssummers72]

    Quote from: jhuntin1 on December 28, 2021, 10:28:20 PM

        Anyone who has driven I-65 between Lafayette and Chicago is probably familiar with the stretch between mile markers 217 and 223 where the "Road Noise" signs are posted. I had to drive up to Wisconsin and back over Christmas weekend to see the wife's family, and northbound there was a one-mile construction zone posted with no equipment present. I could see the pavement looked noticeably different, and driving over that one-mile stretch the road noise was noticeably better. Out of the construction zone, the pavement returned to normal and was the usual noisy drive. Did INDOT diamond-grind that section or do something to improve it, or was I just imagining it? If anyone knows, are they planning to do anything permanent to that stretch?

    I've always wondered why this part of the road was noisy anyone know why?


That section used to be this weird concrete with what I would describe as grooves that created weird tire noises. It got repaved a few years back.

So, the project was called a UBWC or Ultrathin Bonding Wearing Course - which is essentially a 3/8" HMA surface over PCCP. The process entails milling the PCCP surface, crack filling the joints and overlaying with the UBWC. When the contractor was milling the PCCP, they did not following the special provisions of milling at a lower rate. This led to the PCCP joints being widened out due to the faster production rate. Then, the joints were crack filled (more than the specifications required). Typically, the cracked filled joints remain open for 30 days to allow time for them to cure. The open time was less than a week for the joints before the UBWC was applied. Now, when the UBWC was applied to the crack filled PCCP, it was placed at a faster rate than the special provisions had required. This intern heated up the crack filler and it leached through the UBWC and hardened.

Long story short, this is why the overlaid PCCP with the UBWC sounds like mini speed bumps along the entire 6 mile stretch near SR 14.

[ITB]

 
So, the project was called a UBWC or Ultrathin Bonding Wearing Course - which is essentially a 3/8" HMA surface over PCCP. The process entails milling the PCCP surface, crack filling the joints and overlaying with the UBWC. When the contractor was milling the PCCP, they did not following the special provisions of milling at a lower rate. This led to the PCCP joints being widened out due to the faster production rate. Then, the joints were crack filled (more than the specifications required). Typically, the cracked filled joints remain open for 30 days to allow time for them to cure. The open time was less than a week for the joints before the UBWC was applied. Now, when the UBWC was applied to the crack filled PCCP, it was placed at a faster rate than the special provisions had required. This intern heated up the crack filler and it leached through the UBWC and hardened.

Long story short, this is why the overlaid PCCP with the UBWC sounds like mini speed bumps along the entire 6 mile stretch near SR 14.

Thanks for providing this excellent explanation!

[ITB]

To shift the focus of conversation, I'd like to turn to what the future holds for Indiana road and bridge mobility projects. The picture is fairly clear for the next 10 years, with several major projects now underway, to commence soon, or in planning stage, including:

- Section 6 of I-69
- upgrades to SR 31
- improvements to SR 30
- ORX crossing
- Mid-States Corridor
- Indy I-495 projects
- I-65/I-70 North Split
- SR 101 corridor, and
- I-65 and I-70, added travel lanes and upgrades.

The list, while not intended to be a comprehensive, provides an outline of what can be expected in the next 10 years in Indiana. By 2032, most of theses projects will be complete, or nearly so. But the outlook beyond 10 years is less clear. Besides routine maintenance and reconstruction of already built roads and bridges, as well as projects that enhance mobility and safety – added lanes, interchanges, etc. – what's next, in terms of significant corridor and bridge projects, from 2032 and onward?

What might these upcoming projects be, and where, when, and why?

[silverback1065]

To shift the focus of conversation, I'd like to turn to what the future holds for Indiana road and bridge mobility projects. The picture is fairly clear for the next 10 years, with several major projects now underway, to commence soon, or in planning stage, including:

- Section 6 of I-69
- upgrades to SR 31
- improvements to SR 30
- ORX crossing
- Mid-States Corridor
- Indy I-495 projects
- I-65/I-70 North Split
- SR 101 corridor, and
- I-65 and I-70, added travel lanes and upgrades.

The list, while not intended to be a comprehensive, provides an outline of what can be expected in the next 10 years in Indiana. By 2032, most of theses projects will be complete, or nearly so. But the outlook beyond 10 years is less clear. Besides routine maintenance and reconstruction of already built roads and bridges, as well as projects that enhance mobility and safety – added lanes, interchanges, etc. – what's next, in terms of significant corridor and bridge projects, from 2032 and onward?

What might these upcoming projects be, and where, when, and why?

I think the state will want to do something with 64 in New Albany. i bet they widen it.

[Great Lakes Roads]

To shift the focus of conversation, I'd like to turn to what the future holds for Indiana road and bridge mobility projects. The picture is fairly clear for the next 10 years, with several major projects now underway, to commence soon, or in planning stage, including:

- Section 6 of I-69
- upgrades to SR 31
- improvements to SR 30
- ORX crossing
- Mid-States Corridor
- Indy I-495 projects
- I-65/I-70 North Split
- SR 101 corridor, and
- I-65 and I-70, added travel lanes and upgrades.

The list, while not intended to be a comprehensive, provides an outline of what can be expected in the next 10 years in Indiana. By 2032, most of theses projects will be complete, or nearly so. But the outlook beyond 10 years is less clear. Besides routine maintenance and reconstruction of already built roads and bridges, as well as projects that enhance mobility and safety – added lanes, interchanges, etc. – what's next, in terms of significant corridor and bridge projects, from 2032 and onward?

What might these upcoming projects be, and where, when, and why?

I think the state will want to do something with 64 in New Albany. i bet they widen it.

Yup, the I-64 widening project west of New Albany will probably be under construction sometime in 2024-2025.

[Revive 755]

Maybe a project to remove the remaining stoplight on SR 49 between the Toll Road and Valparaiso at CR 500N?

If the growth around Crown Point continues there could be some widenings for US 231 and SR 2, if not a partial revival on the Illiana.

[silverback1065]

Maybe a project to remove the remaining stoplight on SR 49 between the Toll Road and Valparaiso at CR 500N?

If the growth around Crown Point continues there could be some widenings for US 231 and SR 2, if not a partial revival on the Illiana.

Illiana won't ever happen until Illinois gets itself together.

[Life in Paradise]

To shift the focus of conversation, I'd like to turn to what the future holds for Indiana road and bridge mobility projects. The picture is fairly clear for the next 10 years, with several major projects now underway, to commence soon, or in planning stage, including:

- Section 6 of I-69
- upgrades to SR 31
- improvements to SR 30
- ORX crossing
- Mid-States Corridor
- Indy I-495 projects
- I-65/I-70 North Split
- SR 101 corridor, and
- I-65 and I-70, added travel lanes and upgrades.

The list, while not intended to be a comprehensive, provides an outline of what can be expected in the next 10 years in Indiana. By 2032, most of theses projects will be complete, or nearly so. But the outlook beyond 10 years is less clear. Besides routine maintenance and reconstruction of already built roads and bridges, as well as projects that enhance mobility and safety – added lanes, interchanges, etc. – what's next, in terms of significant corridor and bridge projects, from 2032 and onward?

What might these upcoming projects be, and where, when, and why?

I think the state will want to do something with 64 in New Albany. i bet they widen it.

Yup, the I-64 widening project west of New Albany will probably be under construction sometime in 2024-2025.

I would agree on the I-64 widening, perhaps they also will consider widening I-265 between I-64 and I-65.  That area of road always appears heavily traveled.

I'm not sure that the Mid-States Corridor is going to do much beyond the stretch between I-64 and Jasper.  Traffic drops off significantly after you get out of Jasper on the north side.  My play would be to go northeast from Jasper to better access the northern area of Patoka Lake, bend around French Lick and Paoli and then go up 37.  That would give some more access to tourist areas (Patoka Lake, French Lick casinos, Paoli Peaks tall hill" skiiing) and then also serve other industry that are in the Paoli area.  It also would be farther from the I-69 corridor to help the region.