Imagine we are in Greensboro, NC, driving west on US 70 (Wendover Ave). We cross over the intersection with O. Henry Blvd, and all of a sudden we are no longer on US 70 West, but now on US 220 North. 70 West turns south onto O. Henry, and 220 North exits off O. Henry onto Wendover. In my opinion, the entire city of Greensboro contains some strange routing choices.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0874648,-79.7663797,16.04z
Another example would be the I-40/Business I-85 concurrency; the only instance of a mainline interstate and different business interstate sharing alignment. Oh and also, Business 85 actually overlaps I-85 for about 2 miles when approaching Greensboro from the south.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9940266,-79.8693147,19.48z
Any other strange route examples?
RI 114 wrong-way overlaps itself; you can be going both north and south on RI 114 at the same time.
Quote from: fillup420 on May 03, 2017, 10:16:44 AM
Imagine we are in Greensboro, NC, driving west on US 70 (Wendover Ave). We cross over the intersection with O. Henry Blvd, and all of a sudden we are no longer on US 70 West, but now on US 220 North. 70 West turns south onto O. Henry, and 220 North exits off O. Henry onto Wendover. In my opinion, the entire city of Greensboro contains some strange routing choices.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0874648,-79.7663797,16.04z
Another example would be the I-40/Business I-85 concurrency; the only instance of a mainline interstate and different business interstate sharing alignment. Oh and also, Business 85 actually overlaps I-85 for about 2 miles when approaching Greensboro from the south.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9940266,-79.8693147,19.48z
Any other strange route examples?
i agree, greensboro's highways are weird, it looks like they started building a beltway, then gave up.
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 03, 2017, 10:23:09 AM
i agree, greensboro's highways are weird, it looks like they started building a beltway, then gave up.
The beltway is happening slowly but surely! The southeastern piece (new I-85) is done, as well as the southwestern piece (I-73/US 421). The northwestern piece (Future I-73/I-840) is done up to Bryan Blvd. The northern arc (I-840) and northeastern piece (I-840/I-785) will take a while, if it ever gets seriously worked on. Although, if you were to ever drive around the completed loop, you would have travelled on four different interstates, which I think will get very confusing. It would've been five if I-40 had taken the southern loop as originally intended.
Quote from: fillup420 on May 03, 2017, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 03, 2017, 10:23:09 AM
i agree, greensboro's highways are weird, it looks like they started building a beltway, then gave up.
The beltway is happening slowly but surely! The southeastern piece (new I-85) is done, as well as the southwestern piece (I-73/US 421). The northwestern piece (Future I-73/I-840) is done up to Bryan Blvd. The northern arc (I-840) and northeastern piece (I-840/I-785) will take a while, if it ever gets seriously worked on. Although, if you were to ever drive around the completed loop, you would have travelled on four different interstates, which I think will get very confusing. It would've been five if I-40 had taken the southern loop as originally intended.
I thought there was more going on, they should label the whole loop 840
Nexus 6P
Some of the State Highways that traverse San Joaquin Valley in California are odd in that they take huge 90 degree turns in between parcels of privately held property. Almost all of the state highways that went through San Joaquin Valley were like that at one point but the big ones that remain today would be; 201, 245, 63, 216, and 137. 137 was so strange I ever did a thread from clinching the route back on the Pacific Southwest board:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=19798.0
Quote from: fillup420 on May 03, 2017, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 03, 2017, 10:23:09 AM
i agree, greensboro's highways are weird, it looks like they started building a beltway, then gave up.
The beltway is happening slowly but surely! The southeastern piece (new I-85) is done, as well as the southwestern piece (I-73/US 421). The northwestern piece (Future I-73/I-840) is done up to Bryan Blvd. The northern arc (I-840) and northeastern piece (I-840/I-785) will take a while, if it ever gets seriously worked on. Although, if you were to ever drive around the completed loop, you would have traveled on four different interstates, which I think will get very confusing. It would've been five if I-40 had taken the southern loop as originally intended.
Some of the northern section (I-840, I-785) will be opened in the next couple years. The I-840 section from Bryan Blvd. to US 220 is 69% complete and scheduled to be opened in March 2018. The I-785 section between US 70 and US 29 is 77% complete, but its official completion date has been pushed back from Dec. 2018 to Dec. 2019. Work started in November on the I-840 section from US 220 to Lawndale Drive, that is to be completed by the end of 2020. When the last segment is completed (work to start in 2018), the I-840 designation will be added on the I-785 segment.
The NCDOT project page:
https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/greensborourbanloop/ (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/greensborourbanloop/)
When completed, will this make I-840 the only 3di loop that will share parts of its route with 2 other interstates?
Quote from: bob7374 on May 03, 2017, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: fillup420 on May 03, 2017, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 03, 2017, 10:23:09 AM
i agree, greensboro's highways are weird, it looks like they started building a beltway, then gave up.
The beltway is happening slowly but surely! The southeastern piece (new I-85) is done, as well as the southwestern piece (I-73/US 421). The northwestern piece (Future I-73/I-840) is done up to Bryan Blvd. The northern arc (I-840) and northeastern piece (I-840/I-785) will take a while, if it ever gets seriously worked on. Although, if you were to ever drive around the completed loop, you would have traveled on four different interstates, which I think will get very confusing. It would've been five if I-40 had taken the southern loop as originally intended.
Some of the northern section (I-840, I-785) will be opened in the next couple years. The I-840 section from Bryan Blvd. to US 220 is 69% complete and scheduled to be opened in March 2018. The I-785 section between US 70 and US 29 is 77% complete, but its official completion date has been pushed back from Dec. 2018 to Dec. 2019. Work started in November on the I-840 section from US 220 to Lawndale Drive, that is to be completed by the end of 2020. When the last segment is completed (work to start in 2018), the I-840 designation will be added on the I-785 segment.
The NCDOT project page:
https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/greensborourbanloop/ (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/greensborourbanloop/)
When completed, will this make I-840 the only 3di loop that will share parts of its route with 2 other interstates?
until 465 does it in indy with 74 and 69 in about 2022
us 44 does this weird bow tie do to one ways streets in east providence https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8195837,-71.3710944,16.04z
Quote from: fillup420 on May 03, 2017, 10:16:44 AM
Imagine we are in Greensboro, NC, driving west on US 70 (Wendover Ave). We cross over the intersection with O. Henry Blvd, and all of a sudden we are no longer on US 70 West, but now on US 220 North. 70 West turns south onto O. Henry, and 220 North exits off O. Henry onto Wendover. In my opinion, the entire city of Greensboro contains some strange routing choices.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0874648,-79.7663797,16.04z
Considering US-70 goes down to Lexington, how would making it continue west on Wendover Ave make
more sense?
The only slightly weird part of it is that US-220 wraps around the east side of town at all, rather than being somehow routed on the west side of town. But, even with that, US-70 would still make sense as it is.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2017, 01:18:59 PM
Considering US-70 goes down to Lexington, how would making it continue west on Wendover Ave make more sense?
The only slightly weird part of it is that US-220 wraps around the east side of town at all, rather than being somehow routed on the west side of town. But, even with that, US-70 would still make sense as it is.
I'm not saying continuing 70 along Wendover would make more sense, just that when driving on Wendover, 70 all of a sudden becomes 220, or 220 becomes 70, depending on direction of travel.
US 20 and IN 2 are two east-west routes that intersect in LaPorte County, IN such that, coming from any of the four directions, you must turn in order to remain on the same route and going straight puts you on other route.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2017, 01:55:01 PM
US 20 and IN 2 are two east-west routes that intersect in LaPorte County, IN such that, coming from any of the four directions, you must turn in order to remain on the same route and going straight puts you on other route.
What's even more bizarre here is that the four-lane divided highway carries US-20 west of there and IN-2 east of there. East of there, US-20 is on a two-lane road, as is IN-2 west of there.
Quote from: fillup420 on May 03, 2017, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2017, 01:18:59 PM
Considering US-70 goes down to Lexington, how would making it continue west on Wendover Ave make more sense?
The only slightly weird part of it is that US-220 wraps around the east side of town at all, rather than being somehow routed on the west side of town. But, even with that, US-70 would still make sense as it is.
I'm not saying continuing 70 along Wendover would make more sense, just that when driving on Wendover, 70 all of a sudden becomes 220, or 220 becomes 70, depending on direction of travel.
But that's a very common scenario. Highway numbers leave the physical roadway all over the place.
Examples in that same neck o' the woods:
US-421 near Frankfort (https://goo.gl/maps/X2owmH9x1sx)
US-127 near Frankfort (https://goo.gl/maps/NmQbJZoREwk)
US-52 near Huntington (https://goo.gl/maps/VrjM4tZoJbr)
And I didn't even have to hunt very hard to find those.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2017, 03:01:30 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on May 03, 2017, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2017, 01:18:59 PM
Considering US-70 goes down to Lexington, how would making it continue west on Wendover Ave make more sense?
The only slightly weird part of it is that US-220 wraps around the east side of town at all, rather than being somehow routed on the west side of town. But, even with that, US-70 would still make sense as it is.
I'm not saying continuing 70 along Wendover would make more sense, just that when driving on Wendover, 70 all of a sudden becomes 220, or 220 becomes 70, depending on direction of travel.
But that's a very common scenario. Highway numbers leave the physical roadway all over the place.
Examples in that same neck o' the woods:
US-421 near Frankfort (https://goo.gl/maps/X2owmH9x1sx)
US-127 near Frankfort (https://goo.gl/maps/NmQbJZoREwk)
US-52 near Huntington (https://goo.gl/maps/VrjM4tZoJbr)
And I didn't even have to hunt very hard to find those.
This is a "bump", like I-76/I-80. It's four-way, involving two route numbers.
Quote from: 1 on May 03, 2017, 03:27:52 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2017, 03:01:30 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on May 03, 2017, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2017, 01:18:59 PM
Considering US-70 goes down to Lexington, how would making it continue west on Wendover Ave make more sense?
The only slightly weird part of it is that US-220 wraps around the east side of town at all, rather than being somehow routed on the west side of town. But, even with that, US-70 would still make sense as it is.
I'm not saying continuing 70 along Wendover would make more sense, just that when driving on Wendover, 70 all of a sudden becomes 220, or 220 becomes 70, depending on direction of travel.
But that's a very common scenario. Highway numbers leave the physical roadway all over the place.
Examples in that same neck o' the woods:
US-421 near Frankfort (https://goo.gl/maps/X2owmH9x1sx)
US-127 near Frankfort (https://goo.gl/maps/NmQbJZoREwk)
US-52 near Huntington (https://goo.gl/maps/VrjM4tZoJbr)
And I didn't even have to hunt very hard to find those.
This is a "bump", like I-76/I-80. It's four-way, involving two route numbers.
...or IL-1 and US-45 in Norris City.
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 03, 2017, 12:06:52 PM
us 44 does this weird bow tie do to one ways streets in east providence https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8195837,-71.3710944,16.04z
The components of the bowtie are Taunton and Waterman Avenues. Each one has a pair of one-way segments in opposite directions. Each is a street that is continuous in town -- no breaks -- but cannot be traversed end to end. You cannot "clinch" it without doubling back and using other streets.
Quote from: Brandon on May 03, 2017, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2017, 01:55:01 PM
US 20 and IN 2 are two east-west routes that intersect in LaPorte County, IN such that, coming from any of the four directions, you must turn in order to remain on the same route and going straight puts you on other route.
What's even more bizarre here is that the four-lane divided highway carries US-20 west of there and IN-2 east of there. East of there, US-20 is on a two-lane road, as is IN-2 west of there.
For the sake of complete accuracy, you are wrong about SR-2 west of the intersection. It continues to be a four-lane divided highway all the way to LaPorte. If you drive SR-2 between South Bend and LaPorte, which I've done many times, it's divided highway all the way. You just have to make that turn in Rolling Prairie.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/101+N+Main+St,+Red+Bud,+IL+62278/@38.2115693,-89.9981419,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8876275d9369ca99:0xaf53024c95b56df9!8m2!3d38.2117503!4d-89.9940905 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/101+N+Main+St,+Red+Bud,+IL+62278/@38.2115693,-89.9981419,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8876275d9369ca99:0xaf53024c95b56df9!8m2!3d38.2117503!4d-89.9940905)
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 03, 2017, 12:02:10 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 03, 2017, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: fillup420 on May 03, 2017, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 03, 2017, 10:23:09 AM
i agree, greensboro's highways are weird, it looks like they started building a beltway, then gave up.
The beltway is happening slowly but surely! The southeastern piece (new I-85) is done, as well as the southwestern piece (I-73/US 421). The northwestern piece (Future I-73/I-840) is done up to Bryan Blvd. The northern arc (I-840) and northeastern piece (I-840/I-785) will take a while, if it ever gets seriously worked on. Although, if you were to ever drive around the completed loop, you would have traveled on four different interstates, which I think will get very confusing. It would've been five if I-40 had taken the southern loop as originally intended.
Some of the northern section (I-840, I-785) will be opened in the next couple years. The I-840 section from Bryan Blvd. to US 220 is 69% complete and scheduled to be opened in March 2018. The I-785 section between US 70 and US 29 is 77% complete, but its official completion date has been pushed back from Dec. 2018 to Dec. 2019. Work started in November on the I-840 section from US 220 to Lawndale Drive, that is to be completed by the end of 2020. When the last segment is completed (work to start in 2018), the I-840 designation will be added on the I-785 segment.
The NCDOT project page:
https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/greensborourbanloop/ (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/greensborourbanloop/)
When completed, will this make I-840 the only 3di loop that will share parts of its route with 2 other interstates?
until 465 does it in indy with 74 and 69 in about 2022
Around Milwaukee, I-894 shares pavement with I-41 and I-43, with a wrong way concurrency involving I-43 and I-41 just for good measure.
I-894 is now completely redundant to I-41. Although one can argue the southernmost 40 or so miles of I-41 are pointless.
Quote from: 1 on May 03, 2017, 10:19:38 AM
RI 114 wrong-way overlaps itself; you can be going both north and south on RI 114 at the same time.
AFAIK US 60 does the same in Newport News VA.
I've always found it really interesting that US-169's concurrency with US-10 on both ends involves a junction with another highway (MN-47 (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2048396,-93.3900773,16z) to the east, MN-101 S (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2905224,-93.5557628,15.75z) to the west). MN-47 doesn't even end there; it goes concurrent with US-10 to the south/east of its junction. In other words, US-10 swaps concurrencies at a single interchange in Anoka.
Here's Minnesota's real winner, though: MN-225 (https://www.google.com/maps/@46.9446244,-95.3204712,13z).
Honorable mentions go to MN-27 (https://www.google.com/maps/@46.2152492,-93.2976466,11.37z), an east/west route that runs concurrent with MN-65 for about 25 miles, and even crosses a different east/west route (MN-18) in the process;
MN-9 which as has a N/S section and an E/W section that are connected by a one-block concurrency with US-12 in Benson (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.3149421,-95.600531,14.62z);
And MN-95, which is a route in two parts, E/W from MN-23 to Taylors Falls, and N/S from Taylors Falls to US-10, connected via concurrency with US-8 (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.3849279,-92.6835222,13.63z). Since the mile markers start at the west end, on the N/S section the mile markers actually increase as you go south.
I've always thought the interaction (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8430759,-83.9001273,16.17z) of GA 20 and GA 81 in Loganville was strange. The two routes essentially "bounce" off each other, but do so via a brief 1/4-mile overlap. They also have a separate concurrency further south in McDonough.
At this intersection NJ 70 East turns into NJ 35 North while NJ 35 North turns into NJ 34 North for some reason.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1149727,-74.0723166,17z
In NC, why isn't I-587 signed with US 64/264 to Raleigh? Seems like a pointless gap.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2017, 03:01:30 PM
Examples in that same neck o' the woods:
US-421 near Frankfort (https://goo.gl/maps/X2owmH9x1sx)
US-127 near Frankfort (https://goo.gl/maps/NmQbJZoREwk)
About those two examples...
Up until the Frankfort East-West Connector (KY 676) was built in the late 1970s/early 1980s, US 421 intersected US 60 at an at-grade intersection here and the two routes were concurrent to the northwest of what was Kentucky's first SPUI.
As for the US 127 routing, it used to come to a T intersection at US 60 west of downtown, then was concurrent with US 60 into the downtown area before the split after crossing the Capitol Avenue bridge. US 127 continued out what is now KY 2261. When the western connector was built, it tied into US 60 at the US 127 intersection and the decision was made to put 127 on the connector to route through traffic out of downtown. So these intersections aren't really that bizarre.
Mass 145 has a very bizarre routing.
For my old state of Nebraska, two oddball highways are NE 70 and NE 7. Iowa mostly makes sense, but not IA 136 or IA 415. If you want to write a book about bizarre routings, you would have to dedicate a good chunk of it to Wisconsin, with a smaller part for Minnesota.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on May 04, 2017, 08:14:05 PM
In NC, why isn't I-587 signed with US 64/264 to Raleigh? Seems like a pointless gap.
Because AFAIK US 64 is (Southern) I-87, though not signed yet.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on May 04, 2017, 03:15:32 PM
I've always found it really interesting that US-169's concurrency with US-10 on both ends involves a junction with another highway (MN-47 (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2048396,-93.3900773,16z) to the east, MN-101 S (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2905224,-93.5557628,15.75z) to the west). MN-47 doesn't even end there; it goes concurrent with US-10 to the south/east of its junction. In other words, US-10 swaps concurrencies at a single interchange in Anoka.
MN 68 follows three different concurrencies in about 20 miles between Sleepy Eye and New Ulm. It joins MN 15, then in downtown New Ulm it swaps from MN 15 onto US 14 while those two begin their own pairing, then MN 68 joins MN 4 in Sleepy Eye.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 08, 2017, 01:59:32 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on May 04, 2017, 03:15:32 PM
I've always found it really interesting that US-169's concurrency with US-10 on both ends involves a junction with another highway (MN-47 (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2048396,-93.3900773,16z) to the east, MN-101 S (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2905224,-93.5557628,15.75z) to the west). MN-47 doesn't even end there; it goes concurrent with US-10 to the south/east of its junction. In other words, US-10 swaps concurrencies at a single interchange in Anoka.
MN 68 follows three different concurrencies in about 20 miles between Sleepy Eye and New Ulm. It joins MN 15, then in downtown New Ulm it swaps from MN 15 onto US 14 while those two begin their own pairing, then MN 68 joins MN 4 in Sleepy Eye.
Good catch. That's the area of the state I'm least familiar with, to be honest, so it's not surprising that I'd forget about it.
Edit: Another good one is the three consecutive concurrencies (with MN-4, MN-30, and MN-15) on MN-60 from St. James to Madelia. Not to mention MN-30 runs concurrent with MN-4 north of 60, and with MN-15 south of 60...
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 04, 2017, 09:44:12 PM
Mass 145 has a very bizarre routing.
How so? Because it loops around through Winthrop back to MA 1A? There are several MA routes that do this in coastal communities. MA 139 heads east to MA 3A in Marshfield has a concurrency, then continues east to the coast where it doubles back to cross 3A again and ends at MA 14. MA 127 meets MA 128 in Gloucester heads northeast to Rockport then doubles back again to meet 128 2 miles north of the other intersection and ends.
FL 15 in Orlando between FL 50/U.S. 17/U.S. 92 to FL 551 is really weird. 15 goes down several one-way neighborhood streets, one-way frontage roads of the 408, around parks, and on several two-lane roads with no shoulders. Really it could be realigned on a better route if it FDOT and city did a maintenance exchange.
Quote from: bzakharin on May 04, 2017, 05:10:23 PM
At this intersection NJ 70 East turns into NJ 35 North while NJ 35 North turns into NJ 34 North for some reason.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1149727,-74.0723166,17z
this used to be a traffic circle, which has since been reconstructed.
US 4 if you plot its end points you will see that NY 7, VT & NH 9 are more direct. US 4 goes north from its end near Albany then goes east. and then southeast making a long arc. Most people using it are either locals or regional users.
Its western end is weird too, because going west on US 4 (though signed as south, but in reality its from US 4 WB in VT) it goes into US 20 E Bound and not to continue a westward trek. Most of US 4 was old US 9 which is why that end is the way it is, but still US 4 is not a great long distance US route due to its awkward routing.