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Started by mgk920, September 12, 2012, 02:19:57 PM

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SEWIGuy

Quote from: kphoger on March 22, 2024, 02:21:43 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 19, 2024, 03:42:20 PM
The reality is that it's fine. Just drive it today and there is plenty of signage.

Enjoy your white privilege, knowing English well enough to understand the sign—which is posted after the toll point—that tells you how to pay your toll.

Again with the nonsense hyperbole.


SEWIGuy

Quote from: vdeane on March 22, 2024, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 22, 2024, 08:12:40 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 20, 2024, 06:38:07 AM
The fact that they are on a toll road is well signed. How to pay is well signed. It's the driver's responsibility to figure it out from there.
How to pay is signed? Yes. Well signed?  According to some who can't read overhead gantries quickly that say "I-Pass or Pay Online" at EVERY PLAZA now, it's debatable.
I-39/90 South Beloit Plaza: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4514985,-88.994909,3a,15.8y,168.13h,95.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssH_oPlF5C-xg0Qyj4RxMyA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

I-94 Waukegan Plaza: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4488879,-87.9590904,3a,75y,165.09h,93.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIeyoLOkk12GjHdG9VtJuYw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Now you could make a case that these signs should say at the bottom "NO CASH ACCEPTED". https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8218171,-89.4613633,3a,75y,85.99h,89.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk31FIgQp15-ku_aIkOptQw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu



The thing is, a lot of agencies that use bill by mail as the default for non-transponder traffic sign their tolls the similarly, so those of us from the East Coast are used to toll agencies crying wolf over that (note that, despite what the sign says, there is no need to call that phone number if you don't have E-ZPass).


Or maybe people from the east coast should learn the rules when traveling here.

ET21

Quote from: hobsini2 on March 22, 2024, 12:43:58 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 22, 2024, 11:29:22 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 22, 2024, 08:12:40 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 20, 2024, 06:38:07 AM
The fact that they are on a toll road is well signed. How to pay is well signed. It's the driver's responsibility to figure it out from there.
How to pay is signed? Yes. Well signed?  According to some who can't read overhead gantries quickly that say "I-Pass or Pay Online" at EVERY PLAZA now, it's debatable.
I-39/90 South Beloit Plaza: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4514985,-88.994909,3a,15.8y,168.13h,95.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssH_oPlF5C-xg0Qyj4RxMyA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

I-94 Waukegan Plaza: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4488879,-87.9590904,3a,75y,165.09h,93.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIeyoLOkk12GjHdG9VtJuYw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Now you could make a case that these signs should say at the bottom "NO CASH ACCEPTED". https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8218171,-89.4613633,3a,75y,85.99h,89.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk31FIgQp15-ku_aIkOptQw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

How long before the ISTHA goes to 'toll by plate' photo tolling by mail like other agencies do with 'no transponder' traffic?

mike
Good question. The agency just made the switch over to the "stickers" instead of the transponders recently although the transponders still work...for now.

My transponder goes for another 8 years, expires in 2032 lol. Lets see if they force me to go to stickers in the next 3-5 years cause I have a feeling they will be.

But per their words, I can use the transponder until it expires.
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ran4sh

Sticker transponders *are* transponders. And they should be forced on all of E-ZPass (eventually), because they work and they're better.
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hobsini2

I was just at the I-Pass office today. They said my transponder was still good through May of 2026 according to the sticker I have on it. They tested it with me watching. No issues.
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paulthemapguy

I-80 tree removal is in full swing this week around Houbolt Road.  Substantial work on the I-80 overhaul through Joliet to Minooka is expected to begin next week. I'm very excited to see how this string of projects turns out when it's done!  But IDOT officials aren't anticipating completion until 2028, probably because the work was broken up into 6+ different contracts on different subsections of I-80.  Please don't be a Circle Interchange situation that takes 8 years...
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hobsini2

Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 28, 2024, 11:19:59 AMI-80 tree removal is in full swing this week around Houbolt Road.  Substantial work on the I-80 overhaul through Joliet to Minooka is expected to begin next week. I'm very excited to see how this string of projects turns out when it's done!  But IDOT officials aren't anticipating completion until 2028, probably because the work was broken up into 6+ different contracts on different subsections of I-80.  Please don't be a Circle Interchange situation that takes 8 years...
The Des Plaines Bridge project alone will be another 4 years according to the projections.
The current phase for Briggs St, Richards St, Rowell Ave and River Rd bridges is to be completed this year.
The mainline from Ridge Rd to River Rd and from Rowell Ave to Gougar Rd is to be completed next year.
The mainline from River Rd to Wheeler Ave including the I-55 and Larkin Ave interchanges is to be completed in 2026.
2026-2028 is the construction period currently for the Des Plaines Bridge.
https://www.i80will.org/schedule-1

Could it take longer? Sure. But remember there was a different governor in the middle of the Circle Interchange construction with Rauner. He was not a pro-infrastructure guy.
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vdeane

Quote from: ran4sh on March 28, 2024, 10:26:02 AMSticker transponders *are* transponders. And they should be forced on all of E-ZPass (eventually), because they work and they're better.
Can't move a sticker between vehicles without an ugly scotch tape hack that is noted to not be without risk.  Funny way of being "better", especially since rental car companies gouge anyone who dares use a toll road without bringing along their own transponder or using a cash booth.

And what if you have multiple cars but don't want to get a separate transponder for each?  May parents have two cars between them, but never use the Thruway at the same time, so they only have one E-ZPass.  We're not sure how trailers are supposed to work, either.  Back in the day, you needed a separate transponder for towing, but I can't find much on the subject these days.  Thankfully, Dad prefers taking NY 104 over the Thruway, so the question has never come up.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

sprjus4

Quote from: ran4sh on March 28, 2024, 10:26:02 AMSticker transponders *are* transponders. And they should be forced on all of E-ZPass (eventually), because they work and they're better.
Virginia and North Carolina use E-ZPass Flex transponders to allow HOV-2 or HOV-3 (depending on the area) to travel for free in HO/T lanes in Hampton Roads, Northern Virginia, and Charlotte.

How do you propose stickers are used in this case?

SEWIGuy

Quote from: vdeane on March 28, 2024, 12:58:42 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on March 28, 2024, 10:26:02 AMSticker transponders *are* transponders. And they should be forced on all of E-ZPass (eventually), because they work and they're better.
Can't move a sticker between vehicles without an ugly scotch tape hack that is noted to not be without risk.  Funny way of being "better", especially since rental car companies gouge anyone who dares use a toll road without bringing along their own transponder or using a cash booth.

And what if you have multiple cars but don't want to get a separate transponder for each?  May parents have two cars between them, but never use the Thruway at the same time, so they only have one E-ZPass.  We're not sure how trailers are supposed to work, either.  Back in the day, you needed a separate transponder for towing, but I can't find much on the subject these days.  Thankfully, Dad prefers taking NY 104 over the Thruway, so the question has never come up.

Sticker transponders are free in Illinois. Just order one for each car and link it in your account. Not hard.

ran4sh

Quote from: sprjus4 on March 28, 2024, 01:05:50 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on March 28, 2024, 10:26:02 AMSticker transponders *are* transponders. And they should be forced on all of E-ZPass (eventually), because they work and they're better.
Virginia and North Carolina use E-ZPass Flex transponders to allow HOV-2 or HOV-3 (depending on the area) to travel for free in HO/T lanes in Hampton Roads, Northern Virginia, and Charlotte.

How do you propose stickers are used in this case?

Look up the alternative option in North Carolina for using HOV mode with a sticker. Georgia does the same thing. You use a web site or app to set HOV mode on or off.

https://www.ncquickpass.com/hov/
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vdeane

Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 28, 2024, 01:14:29 PMSticker transponders are free in Illinois. Just order one for each car and link it in your account. Not hard.
Transponders are free in NY too (even though we use hard case) with automatic replenishment.  The rationale my parents had basically boiled down to "why should we get two if we don't need two?".
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

sprjus4

Quote from: ran4sh on March 28, 2024, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 28, 2024, 01:05:50 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on March 28, 2024, 10:26:02 AMSticker transponders *are* transponders. And they should be forced on all of E-ZPass (eventually), because they work and they're better.
Virginia and North Carolina use E-ZPass Flex transponders to allow HOV-2 or HOV-3 (depending on the area) to travel for free in HO/T lanes in Hampton Roads, Northern Virginia, and Charlotte.

How do you propose stickers are used in this case?

Look up the alternative option in North Carolina for using HOV mode with a sticker. Georgia does the same thing. You use a web site or app to set HOV mode on or off.

https://www.ncquickpass.com/hov/
Yeah, no thanks. I'd rather not have to go on my phone 15 minutes prior and set it. What if I didn't plan to use the lanes initially, or didn't do that?

My current hard cover transponder lets me flip a switch and it's on in an instant. No sticker or app is going to replace that efficiency. No thank you, I'll stick with the hard cover transponder.



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