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[JMoses24]

Meanwhile there's no public transportation connection at all between the two largest population centers in the state.

Greyhound has 5 trips daily each way, and takes a little less than 2 hours.

OKC Greyhound:  Served by bus route #15 (Midwest City).
Tulsa Greyhound:  Served by a few bus routes.

Actually, the OKC Greyhound is served by the 22 (MLK/NE 63rd)...at least, it gets within a mile. The Tulsa Greyhound is downtown so it probably does have several connections to local buses.

[Plutonic Panda]

https://www.route66news.com/2019/02/18/work-to-replace-horse-creek-bridge-in-afton-begins-today/

[Plutonic Panda]

US-385 through Boise City will be reconstructed as will the roads around Boise Public Square:

The Oklahoma Department of Transportation (ODOT) is scheduled to reconstruct US-385 around the Boise City Square and extending north 0.7 miles along Cimarron Avenue. This project will consist of full replacement of the current pavement, improve drainage, replacing the existing water and sewer lines, and provide for pedestrian access to the inner square. The
project will also provide for proper turning movements through the square for large vehicles, while providing added protection for parked vehicles and pedestrians. This investment in Boise City reflects ODOT's commitment to improvements of US-385 and the City of Boise City.

https://www.ok.gov/odot/Programs_and_Projects/Public_Meetings_and_Hearings/20190312.html

[Plutonic Panda]

Oklahoma's first DDI will be in Elk City at I-40 and SH-6. Construction starts in September and OkDOT says it should open in a year from then.

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https://www.ok.gov/odot/What's_New/I-40_and_SH-6_Diverging_Diamond_Interchange.html

[DJStephens]

Elk City is not exactly a big place.  Why on earth was a decision made to place such an unconventional interchange there?!?

[Stephane Dumas]

Elk City is not exactly a big place.  Why on earth was a decision made to place such an unconventional interchange there?!?

I guess it might be linked to the other project to make the remaining gap of OK-6 a 4-lanes divided highway?

[rte66man]

Elk City is not exactly a big place.  Why on earth was a decision made to place such an unconventional interchange there?!?

The amount of oil field traffic at that interchange is daunting plus that's the only exit between Clinton and Shamrock with a decent number of services. I think it's a great place for a DDI.

[US71]

The Baron Fork Creek Bridge along OK 51 near Eldon is in the process of being replaced and the intersection at US 62 is being realigned.

[Scott5114]

The Transportation Commission is considering at their meeting on Monday a proposal to decommission the section of SH-3 (Northwest Expressway) between the Kilpatrick Turnpike and SH-74, turning the road over to Oklahoma City. SH-3 will be rerouted to concur with SH-4 (apparently the ODOT terminology for this is that "SH-3 will become a follow route") to I-40, and then follow I-40 to I-44. The portion of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the turnpike will become a new incarnation of SH-3A.

[rte66man]

The Transportation Commission is considering at their meeting on Monday a proposal to decommission the section of SH-3 (Northwest Expressway) between the Kilpatrick Turnpike and SH-74, turning the road over to Oklahoma City. SH-3 will be rerouted to concur with SH-4 (apparently the ODOT terminology for this is that "SH-3 will become a follow route") to I-40, and then follow I-40 to I-44. The portion of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the turnpike will become a new incarnation of SH-3A.

OKC needs to have their head examined over this.  That stretch of road is highly substandard and not just the pavement. It will cost millions to bring it up to what a 6-lane arterial should be.

[bugo]

If OK 3 is rerouted to follow OK 4 and I-40, it should just stay on I-40 all the way past the I-40/I-240 interchange. It would make more sense.

[Scott5114]

The Transportation Commission is considering at their meeting on Monday a proposal to decommission the section of SH-3 (Northwest Expressway) between the Kilpatrick Turnpike and SH-74, turning the road over to Oklahoma City. SH-3 will be rerouted to concur with SH-4 (apparently the ODOT terminology for this is that "SH-3 will become a follow route") to I-40, and then follow I-40 to I-44. The portion of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the turnpike will become a new incarnation of SH-3A.

OKC needs to have their head examined over this.  That stretch of road is highly substandard and not just the pavement. It will cost millions to bring it up to what a 6-lane arterial should be.

I imagine OKC wants it because it's substandard. If OkDOT has it, who knows when it'll get upgraded? If the city owns it, they can upgrade it with city funds and make sure it gets done.

OkDOT and OKC often find themselves at loggerheads because OkDOT simply does not understand OKC's needs beyond the freeway system. As a result, OKC is already planning to tear up and change parts of the new OKC Boulevard once it's turned over to them, and it's not even finished yet. But OkDOT won't build what the city wants, so there's a lot of waste going on.

[rte66man]

The work order for resurfacing NW Expressway from Portland west to the Kilpatrick was started on 5/15.

   http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/contractadmin/pdfs/const_rep.pdf  p114

I've not seen any evidence of anything being done. Anyone?

As to the OKC Boulevard last segment, worked started 2/12/2018 and has 531 days for completion. That was adjusted from 445 days.  About 83% complete.

[notassociated]

The Transportation Commission is considering at their meeting on Monday a proposal to decommission the section of SH-3 (Northwest Expressway) between the Kilpatrick Turnpike and SH-74, turning the road over to Oklahoma City. SH-3 will be rerouted to concur with SH-4 (apparently the ODOT terminology for this is that "SH-3 will become a follow route") to I-40, and then follow I-40 to I-44. The portion of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the turnpike will become a new incarnation of SH-3A.

OKC needs to have their head examined over this.  That stretch of road is highly substandard and not just the pavement. It will cost millions to bring it up to what a 6-lane arterial should be.

Hopefully whatever improvements there are also include completing the sidewalks and adding bicycle facilities or at least wide hard shoulders.

[Scott5114]

The Transportation Commission is considering at their meeting on Monday a proposal to decommission the section of SH-3 (Northwest Expressway) between the Kilpatrick Turnpike and SH-74, turning the road over to Oklahoma City. SH-3 will be rerouted to concur with SH-4 (apparently the ODOT terminology for this is that "SH-3 will become a follow route") to I-40, and then follow I-40 to I-44. The portion of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the turnpike will become a new incarnation of SH-3A.

OKC needs to have their head examined over this.  That stretch of road is highly substandard and not just the pavement. It will cost millions to bring it up to what a 6-lane arterial should be.

Hopefully whatever improvements there are also include completing the sidewalks and adding bicycle facilities or at least wide hard shoulders.

Definitely more likely if City of OKC has it than if ODOT does.

[notassociated]

The Transportation Commission is considering at their meeting on Monday a proposal to decommission the section of SH-3 (Northwest Expressway) between the Kilpatrick Turnpike and SH-74, turning the road over to Oklahoma City. SH-3 will be rerouted to concur with SH-4 (apparently the ODOT terminology for this is that "SH-3 will become a follow route") to I-40, and then follow I-40 to I-44. The portion of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the turnpike will become a new incarnation of SH-3A.

OKC needs to have their head examined over this.  That stretch of road is highly substandard and not just the pavement. It will cost millions to bring it up to what a 6-lane arterial should be.

Hopefully whatever improvements there are also include completing the sidewalks and adding bicycle facilities or at least wide hard shoulders.

Definitely more likely if City of OKC has it than if ODOT does.

Maybe.  Oklahoma City Boulevard going from what was a pretty nice looking complete street in the planning phase what's essentially an expressway was a massive disappointment.

[Scott5114]

The Transportation Commission is considering at their meeting on Monday a proposal to decommission the section of SH-3 (Northwest Expressway) between the Kilpatrick Turnpike and SH-74, turning the road over to Oklahoma City. SH-3 will be rerouted to concur with SH-4 (apparently the ODOT terminology for this is that "SH-3 will become a follow route") to I-40, and then follow I-40 to I-44. The portion of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the turnpike will become a new incarnation of SH-3A.

OKC needs to have their head examined over this.  That stretch of road is highly substandard and not just the pavement. It will cost millions to bring it up to what a 6-lane arterial should be.

Hopefully whatever improvements there are also include completing the sidewalks and adding bicycle facilities or at least wide hard shoulders.

Definitely more likely if City of OKC has it than if ODOT does.

Maybe.  Oklahoma City Boulevard going from what was a pretty nice looking complete street in the planning phase what's essentially an expressway was a massive disappointment.

My understanding is that the expressway concept was OkDOT's doing.

[Plutonic Panda]

The Transportation Commission is considering at their meeting on Monday a proposal to decommission the section of SH-3 (Northwest Expressway) between the Kilpatrick Turnpike and SH-74, turning the road over to Oklahoma City. SH-3 will be rerouted to concur with SH-4 (apparently the ODOT terminology for this is that "SH-3 will become a follow route") to I-40, and then follow I-40 to I-44. The portion of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the turnpike will become a new incarnation of SH-3A.

OKC needs to have their head examined over this.  That stretch of road is highly substandard and not just the pavement. It will cost millions to bring it up to what a 6-lane arterial should be.

Hopefully whatever improvements there are also include completing the sidewalks and adding bicycle facilities or at least wide hard shoulders.

Definitely more likely if City of OKC has it than if ODOT does.

Maybe.  Oklahoma City Boulevard going from what was a pretty nice looking complete street in the planning phase what's essentially an expressway was a massive disappointment.

When was the BLVD ever planned to be a complete street?

[notassociated]

The Transportation Commission is considering at their meeting on Monday a proposal to decommission the section of SH-3 (Northwest Expressway) between the Kilpatrick Turnpike and SH-74, turning the road over to Oklahoma City. SH-3 will be rerouted to concur with SH-4 (apparently the ODOT terminology for this is that "SH-3 will become a follow route") to I-40, and then follow I-40 to I-44. The portion of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the turnpike will become a new incarnation of SH-3A.

OKC needs to have their head examined over this.  That stretch of road is highly substandard and not just the pavement. It will cost millions to bring it up to what a 6-lane arterial should be.

Hopefully whatever improvements there are also include completing the sidewalks and adding bicycle facilities or at least wide hard shoulders.

Definitely more likely if City of OKC has it than if ODOT does.

Maybe.  Oklahoma City Boulevard going from what was a pretty nice looking complete street in the planning phase what's essentially an expressway was a massive disappointment.

My understanding is that the expressway concept was OkDOT's doing.

That seems to be what I'm getting out of it, too.  Seemed like everyone was on board for the complete street back when it was in talks with the city, then when things got underway, OklaDOT was like, "Oh, one more thing, and this other little thing" until surprise, expressway, except now there's no way to just walk under it safely like there was when it was I 40.

Reminds me of how Tulsa Transit's AERO started as a BRT system, but then Bartlett balked and started cutting corners to save pennies here and there, and it lost it's signal pre-emption, dedicated lanes, a route with fewer stops and dedicated platforms, planned frequent service and is now going to be...an articulated bus route with bad headways and nicer stops for way more money than it should cost to just add articulated buses to the 105 Peoria and 111 11th Street lines (the two routes that are getting AERO lines added).  Coulda got something like Eugene's EmX for barely more than we're spending already on this, instead we're getting the Saint Louis 70 Grand bus.

Total bait and switch in both cases.

[Scott5114]

Of course OKC is not totally blameless on the design of the boulevard either. They asked OkDOT to build the intersection at Oklahoma Avenue where it is, assuming they'd be able to acquire ROW to connect Oklahoma straight through. U-Haul, which owns the relevant real estate, wouldn't deal with the city. So now they're going to have to relocate Oklahoma to the west side of the U-Haul building as soon as they take possession of the boulevard, tearing up the existing intersection and moving it a few hundred feet west.

[notassociated]

Of course OKC is not totally blameless on the design of the boulevard either. They asked OkDOT to build the intersection at Oklahoma Avenue where it is, assuming they'd be able to acquire ROW to connect Oklahoma straight through. U-Haul, which owns the relevant real estate, wouldn't deal with the city. So now they're going to have to relocate Oklahoma to the west side of the U-Haul building as soon as they take possession of the boulevard, tearing up the existing intersection and moving it a few hundred feet west.

This is all stuff that really should have been settled before shovel ever met dirt on this project.

[Scott5114]

Of course OKC is not totally blameless on the design of the boulevard either. They asked OkDOT to build the intersection at Oklahoma Avenue where it is, assuming they'd be able to acquire ROW to connect Oklahoma straight through. U-Haul, which owns the relevant real estate, wouldn't deal with the city. So now they're going to have to relocate Oklahoma to the west side of the U-Haul building as soon as they take possession of the boulevard, tearing up the existing intersection and moving it a few hundred feet west.

This is all stuff that really should have been settled before shovel ever met dirt on this project.

It's only saved from being among the city's biggest planning blunders by the Pei Plan existing.

[notassociated]

Of course OKC is not totally blameless on the design of the boulevard either. They asked OkDOT to build the intersection at Oklahoma Avenue where it is, assuming they'd be able to acquire ROW to connect Oklahoma straight through. U-Haul, which owns the relevant real estate, wouldn't deal with the city. So now they're going to have to relocate Oklahoma to the west side of the U-Haul building as soon as they take possession of the boulevard, tearing up the existing intersection and moving it a few hundred feet west.

This is all stuff that really should have been settled before shovel ever met dirt on this project.

It's only saved from being among the city's biggest planning blunders by the Pei Plan existing.

To OKC's credit, the streetcar (which I think on the city side was part of the same improvement bundle) seems to be doing well and on track for expansion.  If they do the expansion with at least the same level of effort they put in the initial loop, there's at least a bright side.

[Scott5114]

Of course OKC is not totally blameless on the design of the boulevard either. They asked OkDOT to build the intersection at Oklahoma Avenue where it is, assuming they'd be able to acquire ROW to connect Oklahoma straight through. U-Haul, which owns the relevant real estate, wouldn't deal with the city. So now they're going to have to relocate Oklahoma to the west side of the U-Haul building as soon as they take possession of the boulevard, tearing up the existing intersection and moving it a few hundred feet west.

This is all stuff that really should have been settled before shovel ever met dirt on this project.

It's only saved from being among the city's biggest planning blunders by the Pei Plan existing.

To OKC's credit, the streetcar (which I think on the city side was part of the same improvement bundle) seems to be doing well and on track for expansion.  If they do the expansion with at least the same level of effort they put in the initial loop, there's at least a bright side.

The streetcar was a MAPS 3 project, which also included Scissortail Park (which is opening this fall) and the convention center. OKC Boulevard is part of the I-40 realignment, taking place on state-owned ROW for now. It is a separate project that happens to pass through the same area that much of MAPS 3 touches.

[notassociated]

It is a separate project that happens to pass through the same area that much of MAPS 3 touches.

Aah, local news coverage hasn't exactly made that obvious.  But then again, Griffin's not really covering it in Tulsa, Scripps isn't good at covering local and regional stuff and Cox and Sinclair couldn't find news if it bit 'em in the junk.