Will INDOT add anymore exits between Indianapolis and Louisville.
Columbus could use another exit trying to get from one side of town to I-65 thru downtown is a pain.
I saw the Widening of 65 between Columbus and Seymour is progressing nicely.
SM-G950U
don't think so. only thing i know they are doing in that area is the 65 widening and an exit at SR46 and 11 west of downtown
I-65 from SR 46 north to SR 44 in Franklin could really use a widening though. Although I get that the entire highway should be six lanes from Louisville to Indianapolis I still don't get why US 50 to SR 58 (not even the main or busiest Columbus exit) got selected for widening. I'm just worried that in high traffic times there will be backups in two random locations when the six lanes go back down to four.
As for any additional exit for Columbus, I'm sure the Driftwood and White Rivers make it hard for another road to lead out from Columbus toward the interstate among other things.
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 03, 2019, 02:03:16 AM
I-65 from SR 46 north to SR 44 in Franklin could really use a widening though. Although I get that the entire highway should be six lanes from Louisville to Indianapolis I still don't get why US 50 to SR 58 (not even the main or busiest Columbus exit) got selected for widening. I'm just worried that in high traffic times there will be backups in two random locations when the six lanes go back down to four.
As for any additional exit for Columbus, I'm sure the Driftwood and White Rivers make it hard for another road to lead out from Columbus toward the interstate among other things.
As someone who drives I-65 between Indy and Louisville quite a bit, I can tell you that the slowdowns aren't generally related to traffic volume, they come whenever trucks going 66 mph are passing trucks going 65 mph, and those happen everywhere. Doing a section in the middle first actually helps more as to providing a way to get around the trucks than doing more at each end. I do think the IN 44 to US 31 section will probably be the next one to get done, and IN 56 to Memphis will probably come after that, with the rest getting filled in later.
Also, there are parts north of Indy that badly need expanding, namely IN 38 to US 52.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 03, 2019, 08:51:29 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 03, 2019, 02:03:16 AM
I-65 from SR 46 north to SR 44 in Franklin could really use a widening though. Although I get that the entire highway should be six lanes from Louisville to Indianapolis I still don't get why US 50 to SR 58 (not even the main or busiest Columbus exit) got selected for widening. I'm just worried that in high traffic times there will be backups in two random locations when the six lanes go back down to four.
As for any additional exit for Columbus, I'm sure the Driftwood and White Rivers make it hard for another road to lead out from Columbus toward the interstate among other things.
As someone who drives I-65 between Indy and Louisville quite a bit, I can tell you that the slowdowns aren't generally related to traffic volume, they come whenever trucks going 66 mph are passing trucks going 65 mph, and those happen everywhere. Doing a section in the middle first actually helps more as to providing a way to get around the trucks than doing more at each end. I do think the IN 44 to US 31 section will probably be the next one to get done, and IN 56 to Memphis will probably come after that, with the rest getting filled in later.
Also, there are parts north of Indy that badly need expanding, namely IN 38 to US 52.
Looking at the projects on INDOT's webpage, there will be an expansion from north of the Memphis exit to Scottsburg (12.4 miles, not scheduled to start until Q3 of 2023). Starting next year in Q4, though, expansion will start from SR 58 to SR 46 (4 miles) in Columbus.
The good news is that expansion north of Lebanon from north of SR 32 to north of SR 47 will also start in Q4 of 2020 (although only 5.7 miles long).
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 09, 2019, 05:19:12 AM
Looking at the projects on INDOT's webpage, there will be an expansion from north of the Memphis exit to Scottsburg (12.4 miles, not scheduled to start until Q3 of 2023). Starting next year in Q4, though, expansion will start from SR 58 to SR 46 (4 miles) in Columbus.
The good news is that expansion north of Lebanon from north of SR 32 to north of SR 47 will also start in Q4 of 2020 (although only 5.7 miles long).
From the Indiana Notes (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7946.msg2375388#msg2375388) thread:
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 08, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
From bottom to top:
IN/KY line to Memphis (16 miles) - already 3+ lanes
Memphis to US 50 (34 miles) - 2 lanes with no action planned
US 50 to IN 58 (14 miles) - currently being widened to 3 lanes
IN 58 to IN 46 (4 miles) - planned for widening to 3 lanes
IN 46 to IN 44 (22 miles) - 2 lanes with no action planned
IN 44 to I-465 westside (33 miles) - already 3+ lanes
I-465 westside to I-865 (6 miles) - 2 lanes with no action planned
I-865 to IN 32 (11 miles) - already 3 lanes
IN 32 to IN 47 (6 miles) - planned for widening to 3 lanes
IN 47 to IN 38 (22 miles) - 2 lanes with no action planned
IN 38 to IN 25 (7 miles) - already 3 lanes
IN 25 to IN 2 (65 miles) - 2 lanes with no action planned
IN 2 to US 12/20 (22 miles) - already 3+ lanes
So by my count there are still 149 miles that have yet to had any planning begun for expansion.
With the addition of this Memphis to Scottsburg project, that should leave about 137 miles left to finish the widening in the state.
Quote from: ibthebigd on November 02, 2019, 09:00:55 PM
Will INDOT add anymore exits between Indianapolis and Louisville.
Columbus could use another exit trying to get from one side of town to I-65 thru downtown is a pain.
I saw the Widening of 65 between Columbus and Seymour is progressing nicely.
SM-G950U
I thought there was a plan to add another exit around Franklin just north of IN-44.
The mayor of Franklin does want a second exit at Earlywood Drive north of the SR 44 interchange.
This article has more info on that: http://www.dailyjournal.net/2019/02/15/the_citys_momentum_is_building/
I thought I'd quickly give an update on this corridor. It appears that I-65 is now essentially six lanes from between SR 11 (Exit 55) and SR 58 (Exit 64) in Bartholomew and Jackson Counties. I drove this way the other day and it felt very weird having this modern six-lane freeway in this area. Northbound had three lanes open while southbound still had two, but it looked as if the third lane could open very soon. US 50 to SR 11 still looks like a work in progress, likely to be finished sometime next year.
Does anyone here know what the deal is with the bridges carrying I-65 over Brownstown Road, at mile 21 or so? This rather horrifying Streetview from 2009 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5699427,-85.7786196,3a,75y,312.96h,89.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_dT5lWTa8__Cjbd3-4yydA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664) shows the beams supporting the I-65 deck being shored up with steel I-beams as though the concrete bents have been judged badly deficient structurally. It's both bridges, not just one, and the 2018 view shows that the bridges were subsequently removed and replaced in their entirety.
The really weird thing about this is that there are many bridges of this same design on the first 50 miles or so of I-65, both carrying (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4903936,-85.771775,3a,75y,76.44h,96.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sn1FMmHmBK-nKlTZP84rVog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and crossing over (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5038734,-85.7707989,3a,75y,324.78h,88.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s76Q_9hqYx9Y1Ul-Ny59_lw!2e0!5s20190601T000000!7i16384!8i8192) the Interstate. Many of them have had their superstructures removed and replaced, but retain the original bents, as though they're ready for another fifty years' service. Not at Brownstown Road, though.
:hmmm: :hmmm: :hmmm:
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 03, 2019, 01:05:33 AM
don't think so. only thing i know they are doing in that area is the 65 widening and an exit at SR46 and 11 west of downtown
Milestone has been posting pictures looks like its progressing nicely
SM-G950U
https://goo.gl/maps/58WKB13GRqJB1WGf7
I see INDOT finally decided to add control cities here ( and nearby I-70) for the Indy Beltway.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 26, 2022, 08:03:24 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/58WKB13GRqJB1WGf7
I see INDOT finally decided to add control cities here ( and nearby I-70) for the Indy Beltway.
They've been there since 2015.
ya the whole south side is like that now from 70 to emerson. i like how it's separated too so you know 74 takes you to those cities and not 465. smart signs :clap:
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2022, 08:22:05 AM
ya the whole south side is like that now from 70 to emerson. i like how it's separated too so you know 74 takes you to those cities and not 465. smart signs :clap:
Well Exit 129 guides are new as 2019 images show the old I-895 to I-465 EAST sign while new APL feature US 52 EAST co-signed with I-895. No control cities though, but ones that have been added sometime recently.
https://goo.gl/maps/KcwKuBMeiYtL6PdDA 2021
https://goo.gl/maps/h4mMBde7nwqnZtSm9 2019
Quote from: roadman65 on May 26, 2022, 08:31:18 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2022, 08:22:05 AM
ya the whole south side is like that now from 70 to emerson. i like how it's separated too so you know 74 takes you to those cities and not 465. smart signs :clap:
Well Exit 129 guides are new as 2019 images show the old I-895 to I-465 EAST sign while new APL feature US 52 EAST co-signed with I-895. No control cities though, but ones that have been added sometime recently.
https://goo.gl/maps/KcwKuBMeiYtL6PdDA 2021
https://goo.gl/maps/h4mMBde7nwqnZtSm9 2019
o those are brand new! all that construction in that area that started i think 2 yrs ago replaced those. all the signs are new there. there is going to be a new exit on 65 in between 267 and whitestown parkway. you can see the new ramps! somehow ronald reagan parkway is going to tie into there. no idea how or exactly where though.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 26, 2022, 08:31:18 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2022, 08:22:05 AM
ya the whole south side is like that now from 70 to emerson. i like how it's separated too so you know 74 takes you to those cities and not 465. smart signs :clap:
Well Exit 129 guides are new as 2019 images show the old I-895 to I-465 EAST sign while new APL feature US 52 EAST co-signed with I-895. No control cities though, but ones that have been added sometime recently.
https://goo.gl/maps/KcwKuBMeiYtL6PdDA 2021
https://goo.gl/maps/h4mMBde7nwqnZtSm9 2019
Control cities are only used along the parts of 465 where 74 is concurrent. 74 has control cities, 465 does not.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2022, 08:43:00 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 26, 2022, 08:31:18 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2022, 08:22:05 AM
ya the whole south side is like that now from 70 to emerson. i like how it's separated too so you know 74 takes you to those cities and not 465. smart signs :clap:
Well Exit 129 guides are new as 2019 images show the old I-895 to I-465 EAST sign while new APL feature US 52 EAST co-signed with I-895. No control cities though, but ones that have been added sometime recently.
https://goo.gl/maps/KcwKuBMeiYtL6PdDA 2021
https://goo.gl/maps/h4mMBde7nwqnZtSm9 2019
Control cities are only used along the parts of 465 where 74 is concurrent. 74 has control cities, 465 does not.
And whenI-69 is added to the mix, that Route will be controlled as well. At the east end junction with I-70 it will be Fort Wayne and Evansville. Where I-65 south will be Evansville/ Peoria and Cincinnati/ Fort Wayne.
https://www.localnewsdigital.com/2022/05/29/indot-updates-progress-on-i-65i-70-north-split-project/
So I guess I-65 is not reopening in June as previously thought? (If this post can be moved to a better location, please do so.)
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 31, 2022, 06:26:07 AM
https://www.localnewsdigital.com/2022/05/29/indot-updates-progress-on-i-65i-70-north-split-project/
So I guess I-65 is not reopening in June as previously thought? (If this post can be moved to a better location, please do so.)
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7946.msg2604390#msg2604390
There is an Indiana Notes thread on the Great Lakes board and the closure was discussed there. The original estimate was 1.5 years, so it was never expected to open before November.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 31, 2022, 06:26:07 AM
https://www.localnewsdigital.com/2022/05/29/indot-updates-progress-on-i-65i-70-north-split-project/
So I guess I-65 is not reopening in June as previously thought? (If this post can be moved to a better location, please do so.)
it was never supposed to open in june. it was always supposed to be done by thanksgiving 2022.
Thank you. It looks like I got June 2022 from the wording in this article (https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/transportation/2021/05/10/i-70-i-65-indiana-traffic-indot-road-construction-indianpolis-north-split-interstate-closure/4944348001/).
QuoteDuring this closure, expected to last until June 2022, I-65 and I-70 between the North Split and Washington Street will be fully closed to all traffic.
I thought it might be in the Indiana Notes thread, but I did not search well enough (though the topic is probably better covered here moving forward anyway).
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 31, 2022, 10:14:25 AM
Thank you. It looks like I got June 2022 from the wording in this article (https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/transportation/2021/05/10/i-70-i-65-indiana-traffic-indot-road-construction-indianpolis-north-split-interstate-closure/4944348001/).
QuoteDuring this closure, expected to last until June 2022, I-65 and I-70 between the North Split and Washington Street will be fully closed to all traffic.
I thought it might be in the Indiana Notes thread, but I did not search well enough (though the topic is probably better covered here moving forward anyway).
Not sure why IndyStar said that, INDOT had always said the closure would be 18 months.
honestly if they get this mostly done by thanksgiving that would be amazing. 50+ bridges in only 2 yrs. talk about fast!
Listing the current status of I-65 in Indiana. Mile markers listed correspond to exits. Actual project areas may vary by a mile or two:
Miles 0-16: 3+ lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going on that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Miles 16-29: 2 lanes in each direction, with plans to add a lane in each direction starting summer 2023. https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Legal-Notice-Des-1700135-I-65-ATL.pdf
Miles 29-50: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 50-64: 3 lanes in each direction.
Miles 64-68: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 68-90: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 90-123: 3+ lanes in each direction. 65/70 north split project in progress.
Miles 123-129: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 129-140: 3 lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Miles 140-146: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 146-168: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 168-175: 3 lanes in each direction.
Miles 175-178: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 178-240: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 240-262: 3 lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Summary:
Currently 3+ lanes: 103 miles
In process of adding 3rd lane: 13 miles
Plans to add a 3rd lane: 13 miles
No current plans to add a 3rd lane: 133 miles
Analysis: When the current and planned projects are complete, I-65 in Indiana will be at 49% with 3+ lanes. I'd really love to see the next expansion occur between 201-215 or thereabouts. Breaks up the longest 2 lane stretch right in the middle.
I drove to Indy via 52 yesterday. The SB entrance ramp to 65 is now way much longer. It has its own lane almost halfway to 32 before merging. Much safer than before.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2022, 11:25:46 AM
Listing the current status of I-65 in Indiana. Mile markers listed correspond to exits. Actual project areas may vary by a mile or two:
Miles 0-16: 3+ lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going on that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Miles 16-29: 2 lanes in each direction, with plans to add a lane in each direction starting summer 2023. https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Legal-Notice-Des-1700135-I-65-ATL.pdf
Miles 29-50: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 50-64: 3 lanes in each direction.
Miles 64-68: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 68-90: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 90-123: 3+ lanes in each direction. 65/70 north split project in progress.
Miles 123-129: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 129-140: 3 lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Miles 140-146: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 146-168: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 168-175: 3 lanes in each direction.
Miles 175-178: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 178-240: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 240-262: 3 lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Summary:
Currently 3+ lanes: 103 miles
In process of adding 3rd lane: 13 miles
Plans to add a 3rd lane: 13 miles
No current plans to add a 3rd lane: 133 miles
Analysis: When the current and planned projects are complete, I-65 in Indiana will be at 49% with 3+ lanes. I'd really love to see the next expansion occur between 201-215 or thereabouts. Breaks up the longest 2 lane stretch right in the middle.
I'd like to see Indiana finish 29-50 and 68-90. With Tennessee now beginning to expand I-65 between Nashville and Kentucky border, it's more critical the Indianapolis-Louisville section of I-65 is widened sooner rather than later.
Quote from: I-39 on January 03, 2023, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2022, 11:25:46 AM
Listing the current status of I-65 in Indiana. Mile markers listed correspond to exits. Actual project areas may vary by a mile or two:
Miles 0-16: 3+ lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going on that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Miles 16-29: 2 lanes in each direction, with plans to add a lane in each direction starting summer 2023. https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Legal-Notice-Des-1700135-I-65-ATL.pdf
Miles 29-50: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 50-64: 3 lanes in each direction.
Miles 64-68: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 68-90: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 90-123: 3+ lanes in each direction. 65/70 north split project in progress.
Miles 123-129: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 129-140: 3 lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Miles 140-146: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 146-168: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 168-175: 3 lanes in each direction.
Miles 175-178: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 178-240: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 240-262: 3 lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Summary:
Currently 3+ lanes: 103 miles
In process of adding 3rd lane: 13 miles
Plans to add a 3rd lane: 13 miles
No current plans to add a 3rd lane: 133 miles
Analysis: When the current and planned projects are complete, I-65 in Indiana will be at 49% with 3+ lanes. I'd really love to see the next expansion occur between 201-215 or thereabouts. Breaks up the longest 2 lane stretch right in the middle.
I'd like to see Indiana finish 29-50 and 68-90. With Tennessee now beginning to expand I-65 between Nashville and Kentucky border, it's more critical the Indianapolis-Louisville section of I-65 is widened sooner rather than later.
I agree I was just there a couple weeks ago I was shocked at how much new development was sprawling there. The only part of I-65 that at least for now does not need expansion is MM 178-240.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 31, 2023, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: I-39 on January 03, 2023, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2022, 11:25:46 AM
Listing the current status of I-65 in Indiana. Mile markers listed correspond to exits. Actual project areas may vary by a mile or two:
Miles 0-16: 3+ lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going on that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Miles 16-29: 2 lanes in each direction, with plans to add a lane in each direction starting summer 2023. https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Legal-Notice-Des-1700135-I-65-ATL.pdf
Miles 29-50: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 50-64: 3 lanes in each direction.
Miles 64-68: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 68-90: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 90-123: 3+ lanes in each direction. 65/70 north split project in progress.
Miles 123-129: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 129-140: 3 lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Miles 140-146: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 146-168: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 168-175: 3 lanes in each direction.
Miles 175-178: In the process of adding a 3rd lane in each direction.
Miles 178-240: 2 lanes in each direction, with no current plans for expansion.
Miles 240-262: 3 lanes in each direction. There is currently some work going that does not involve adding travel lanes.
Summary:
Currently 3+ lanes: 103 miles
In process of adding 3rd lane: 13 miles
Plans to add a 3rd lane: 13 miles
No current plans to add a 3rd lane: 133 miles
Analysis: When the current and planned projects are complete, I-65 in Indiana will be at 49% with 3+ lanes. I'd really love to see the next expansion occur between 201-215 or thereabouts. Breaks up the longest 2 lane stretch right in the middle.
I'd like to see Indiana finish 29-50 and 68-90. With Tennessee now beginning to expand I-65 between Nashville and Kentucky border, it's more critical the Indianapolis-Louisville section of I-65 is widened sooner rather than later.
I agree I was just there a couple weeks ago I was shocked at how much new development was sprawling there. The only part of I-65 that at least for now does not need expansion is MM 178-240.
Development isn't the only thing that creates traffic. There is significantly more truck traffic on I-65 north of Indy compared to south.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 01, 2023, 07:23:42 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 31, 2023, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: I-39 on January 03, 2023, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2022, 11:25:46 AM
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I'd like to see Indiana finish 29-50 and 68-90. With Tennessee now beginning to expand I-65 between Nashville and Kentucky border, it's more critical the Indianapolis-Louisville section of I-65 is widened sooner rather than later.
I agree I was just there a couple weeks ago I was shocked at how much new development was sprawling there. The only part of I-65 that at least for now does not need expansion is MM 178-240.
Development isn't the only thing that creates traffic. There is significantly more truck traffic on I-65 north of Indy compared to south.
Chicago tends to do that. Every Interstate in or out of the area is very busy with trucks. I-65, which of course feeds into I-80/94, being a prime example.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 01, 2023, 07:49:11 AM
Chicago tends to do that. Every Interstate in or out of the area is very busy with trucks. I-65, which of course feeds into I-80/94, being a prime example.
Chicago is still a major Inland port city, as it is where the Mississippi and Great Lakes navigable waterways meet
Chicago is also the #1 rail hub in the country
And due to the Great Lakes, all "northern" cross-region/country traffic is forced onto I-90 Toll Road or I-80/94, and into the greater Chicagoland area in general
Multiple reasons for lots of trucks (and trains and boats) in&out of Chicago
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 01, 2023, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 01, 2023, 07:49:11 AM
Chicago tends to do that. Every Interstate in or out of the area is very busy with trucks. I-65, which of course feeds into I-80/94, being a prime example.
Chicago is still a major Inland port city, as it is where the Mississippi and Great Lakes navigable waterways meet
Chicago is also the #1 rail hub in the country
And due to the Great Lakes, all "northern" cross-region/country traffic is forced onto I-90 Toll Road or I-80/94, and into the greater Chicagoland area in general
Multiple reasons for lots of trucks (and trains and boats) in&out of Chicago
Don't forget all the air cargo flying out of O'Hare.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 01, 2023, 07:23:42 AM
Development isn't the only thing that creates traffic. There is significantly more truck traffic on I-65 north of Indy compared to south.
Maybe I'm a bit biased from my view, as someone from Cincinnati, but I could definitely see Indy-Chicago being busier. Traffic from Cincy and Columbus on I-74 and I-70 to Chicago feeds onto I-65 north of Indy, also I-74 is one of a few NW-SE connectors between I-65 and I-75 for points south, and with US 35 via I-70 for traffic to the Carolinas. And in the Louisville side, I-71 takes away some I-65 truck traffic from south of Louisville that are heading to the northeast.
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 01, 2023, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 01, 2023, 07:23:42 AM
Development isn't the only thing that creates traffic. There is significantly more truck traffic on I-65 north of Indy compared to south.
Maybe I'm a bit biased from my view, as someone from Cincinnati, but I could definitely see Indy-Chicago being busier. Traffic from Cincy and Columbus on I-74 and I-70 to Chicago feeds onto I-65 north of Indy, also I-74 is one of a few NW-SE connectors between I-65 and I-75 for points south, and with US 35 via I-70 for traffic to the Carolinas. And in the Louisville side, I-71 takes away some I-65 truck traffic from south of Louisville that are heading to the northeast.
The few times we've driven from Chicago to Cincinnati, getting to I-74 was the best part. I-74 was so lightly traveled compared to I-65 or the bustling I-465 (this was also during the ongoing construction in downtown Indy, so the beltway was even worse than usual).
Two days ago, BigRigSteve of BigRigTravels (https://bigrigtravels.com/) drove I-65 from Gary to Indianapolis, and then later, from Indianapolis back to Illinois. On the drive south, the video points when he passed through the construction zone near Lafayette in Tippecanoe County begin at 1:49:20, and later, the construction zone north of Lebanon in Boone County, at 2:21:18:
Both projects appear to be nearing completion. The cost of the project in Boone County (https://www.in.gov/indot/about-indot/central-office/welcome-to-the-crawfordsville-district/i-65-added-travel-lanes-project-in-boone-county/) is pegged at $83,733,000, and that in Tippecanoe County (https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3410f2f), $99,400,000. E&B Paving LCC is the general contractor for the Boone project, while in Tippecanoe, Walsh Construction is at the helm.
Quote from: ITB on August 12, 2023, 01:38:10 AM
Two days ago, BigRigSteve of BigRigTravels (https://bigrigtravels.com/) drove I-65 from Gary to Indianapolis, and then later, from Indianapolis back to Illinois. On the drive south, the video points when he passed through the construction zone near Lafayette in Tippecanoe County begin at 1:49:20, and later, the construction zone north of Lebanon in Boone County, at 2:21:18:
Both projects appear to be nearing completion. The cost of the project in Boone County (https://www.in.gov/indot/about-indot/central-office/welcome-to-the-crawfordsville-district/i-65-added-travel-lanes-project-in-boone-county/) is pegged at $83,733,000, and that in Tippecanoe County (https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3410f2f), $99,400,000. E&B Paving LCC is the general contractor for the Boone project, while in Tippecanoe, Walsh Construction is at the helm.
The Boone County section will get done first (by the end of 2023)... the Tippecanoe County section still has work to do (bridge deck replacement), so that will get done sometime in summer 2024...
Interstate 65's northern terminus at Interstate 90 and US 12/20 is rather unusual. Although 65 has a trumpet interchange connection with 90, it truly ends at a signaled at-grade intersection (along with driveway connections with Alliance Steel and Republic Steel). I imagine that if Interstate 90 was not a toll road, 65 probably would have terminated at a freeway-to-freeway interchange with 90.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 12, 2023, 12:06:50 PM
Interstate 65's northern terminus at Interstate 90 and US 12/20 is rather unusual. Although 65 has a trumpet interchange connection with 90, it truly ends at a signaled at-grade intersection (along with driveway connections with Alliance Steel and Republic Steel). I imagine that if Interstate 90 was not a toll road, 65 probably would have terminated at a freeway-to-freeway interchange with 90.
I-65 used to end at 80/94 until recently they extended it to US 12/20 to end there. I don't remember if the 90 connection was added then or if that was originally there.
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 12, 2023, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 12, 2023, 12:06:50 PM
Interstate 65's northern terminus at Interstate 90 and US 12/20 is rather unusual. Although 65 has a trumpet interchange connection with 90, it truly ends at a signaled at-grade intersection (along with driveway connections with Alliance Steel and Republic Steel). I imagine that if Interstate 90 was not a toll road, 65 probably would have terminated at a freeway-to-freeway interchange with 90.
I-65 used to end at 80/94 until recently they extended it to US 12/20 to end there. I don't remember if the 90 connection was added then or if that was originally there.
Not sure what your definition of recently is. 65 has gone to 12/20 as long as I can remember.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 13, 2023, 08:46:49 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 12, 2023, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 12, 2023, 12:06:50 PM
Interstate 65's northern terminus at Interstate 90 and US 12/20 is rather unusual. Although 65 has a trumpet interchange connection with 90, it truly ends at a signaled at-grade intersection (along with driveway connections with Alliance Steel and Republic Steel). I imagine that if Interstate 90 was not a toll road, 65 probably would have terminated at a freeway-to-freeway interchange with 90.
I-65 used to end at 80/94 until recently they extended it to US 12/20 to end there. I don't remember if the 90 connection was added then or if that was originally there.
Not sure what your definition of recently is. 65 has gone to 12/20 as long as I can remember.
well I guess not recently anymore :-D it happened in the early 90s before that it ended at this hard right angle with 90.
The project to revamp the I-65/US 52 interchange in Boone County is rapidly moving forward. According to the project's newsletter, the design phase is expected to complete by the fall of 2024, with the construction contract to be let about the same time.
Here's the schematic of selected preferred alternative:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53116332455_f29b61f173_k.jpg)
Indiana Department of Transportation
For those interested in staying abreast of the project, check out the project's website (https://www.52at65.com/).
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 01, 2023, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 01, 2023, 07:23:42 AM
Development isn't the only thing that creates traffic. There is significantly more truck traffic on I-65 north of Indy compared to south.
Maybe I'm a bit biased from my view, as someone from Cincinnati, but I could definitely see Indy-Chicago being busier. Traffic from Cincy and Columbus on I-74 and I-70 to Chicago feeds onto I-65 north of Indy, also I-74 is one of a few NW-SE connectors between I-65 and I-75 for points south, and with US 35 via I-70 for traffic to the Carolinas. And in the Louisville side, I-71 takes away some I-65 truck traffic from south of Louisville that are heading to the northeast.
Usually when I am in I-65 in Indiana the part further north tends to have less traffic compared to when you get closer to Indianapolis and then south towards Louisville. More trucks vs less trucks isn't the same as more traffic vs less traffic.
Somewhat old news, and I should have mentioned it earlier, but it's still worthwhile to share.
In early October, INDOT rejected a bid to construct added lanes to I-65 in Scott County. The contract (R-41529-A) was let under a Special Letting, September 27, 2023 (https://www.in.gov/indot/doing-business-with-indot/home/contracts/letting-archives2/september-27,-2023-special-letting/). Only one bid was received, from a joint venture of E & B Paving and Milestone Contractors. The bid of $333,450,000 was rejected because it was over the engineer's estimate. Apparently, the bid was more than 15% higher than the estimate. If four or more bids had been received, INDOT probably would have awarded it, to the low bidder, of course. But, surprisingly, there was only one.
According to INDOT's 18-Month Construction Letting List (https://entapps.indot.in.gov/lettings/dashboard/letting/report), the contract is now scheduled to be let again December 6, 2023. It's listed on Page 31 of the letting list (as of October 15, 2023).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53271172306_b7827ec1fc_h.jpg)
INDOT, Official Bid Results
looks pretty clear indy to louisville will be 6 lanes first. i bet the 46 bridge will be the last piece to be widened. that bridge is very special and widening it is probably not possible.
Quote from: ITB on October 20, 2023, 12:48:47 AM
Somewhat old news, and I should have mentioned it earlier, but it's still worthwhile to share.
In early October, INDOT rejected a bid to construct added lanes to I-65 in Scott County. The contract (R-41529-A) was let under a Special Letting, September 27, 2023 (https://www.in.gov/indot/doing-business-with-indot/home/contracts/letting-archives2/september-27,-2023-special-letting/). Only one bid was received, from a joint venture of E & B Paving and Milestone Contractors. The bid of $333,450,000 was rejected because it was over the engineer's estimate. Apparently, the bid was more than 15% higher than the estimate. If four or more bids had been received, INDOT probably would have awarded it, to the low bidder, of course. But, surprisingly, there was only one.
According to INDOT's 18-Month Construction Letting List (https://entapps.indot.in.gov/lettings/dashboard/letting/report), the contract is now scheduled to be let again December 6, 2023. It's listed on Page 31 of the letting list (as of October 15, 2023).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53271172306_b7827ec1fc_h.jpg)
INDOT, Official Bid Results
That seems ridiculously high. The widening from Lebanon to SR 47 came in at $83.7 million. What would make this cost 4 times as much?
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on October 20, 2023, 09:15:02 PM
That seems ridiculously high. The widening from Lebanon to SR 47 came in at $83.7 million. What would make this cost 4 times as much?
According to the Legal Notice of Planned Improvement — linked to in an above post and linked here (https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Legal-Notice-Des-1700135-I-65-ATL.pdf) for convenience — the project encompasses a "full mainline roadway replacement" to address "underlying subgrade and drainage issues." There are also several mainline bridges that will be rehabilitated and widened, as well as two overpasses that will be rehabilitated. 14 culverts, either corrugated metal, reinforced concrete, or high-density polyethylene pipes, also need to be replaced. And, of course, in addition to all of the above and more, the roadways will be widened to three lanes in each direction.
In short, the project undertakes to build a completely new stretch of highway. The added travel lanes will be carved from the median, with two concrete barrier walls constructed. The inside shoulders are planned to be 14 feet in width, the outside, 12 feet. Without good mapping tools, it's difficult to estimate the total length of the project, but it appears to be around 10 miles.
So, yes, the project is expensive. INDOT was probably looking for a bid between $275–300 million, but received one, and only one, that came in significantly higher than expected at $335.45 million. The re-letting of the contract might induce more firms to submit bids, but, in the end, the awarded contract will still probably be around $300-325 million.
OK, that makes sense, especially since this stretch probably hasn't had a thorough overhaul since it opened in the early '60s.
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 20, 2023, 08:48:31 AM
looks pretty clear indy to louisville will be 6 lanes first. i bet the 46 bridge will be the last piece to be widened. that bridge is very special and widening it is probably not possible.
I just hope they find a way to keep the arch there. Doesn't need to be a structural part of the bridge, it's just an iconic landmark that I've associated with going to my grandparents' house since I was 5. One of the few special landmarks left on routes I still travel, would hate to see it go
Quote from: I-55 on October 22, 2023, 05:09:40 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 20, 2023, 08:48:31 AM
looks pretty clear indy to louisville will be 6 lanes first. i bet the 46 bridge will be the last piece to be widened. that bridge is very special and widening it is probably not possible.
I just hope they find a way to keep the arch there. Doesn't need to be a structural part of the bridge, it's just an iconic landmark that I've associated with going to my grandparents' house since I was 5. One of the few special landmarks left on routes I still travel, would hate to see it go
I think they would want to keep it but it's probably going to be very expensive to do it, it probably needs to be rebuilt to be widened.
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 20, 2023, 08:48:31 AM
looks pretty clear indy to louisville will be 6 lanes first. i bet the 46 bridge will be the last piece to be widened. that bridge is very special and widening it is probably not possible.
That is the one they built the interchange under the bridge. Same design as Beech Grove/I-465 but under the bridge.
Then of course Columbus/Cummins went and put their 2 cents in and had built some architectural marvel.
I love Columbus. But I swear everything in that town is completely over the top compared to what it needs to be.
I realize that is on purpose, Cummins deems it a requirement to attract talent.
Quote from: Moose on October 24, 2023, 04:38:43 PM
That is the one they built the interchange under the bridge. Same design as Beech Grove/I-465 but under the bridge.
Then of course Columbus/Cummins went and put their 2 cents in and had built some architectural marvel.
I love Columbus. But I swear everything in that town is completely over the top compared to what it needs to be.
I realize that is on purpose, Cummins deems it a requirement to attract talent.
There are legitimate structural reasons to build the arch bridge there... the interchange configuration requires longer bridges than if it were just a standard overpass. It could have been built with standard beams and girders, but those would have to raise the profile of I-65 to get enough clearance underneath. Instead, they just held up the whole thing with the arch. The fact that it looks nice may have factored into the decision to go that route, but I doubt it would be there if there weren't other good reasons to build it that way.
That said, it's a shame they didn't design it with enough space for a third lane on I-65. Unless they can replace the arch to leave enough room (and strength) for widening on the inside?
Quote from: pianocello on October 24, 2023, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: Moose on October 24, 2023, 04:38:43 PM
That is the one they built the interchange under the bridge. Same design as Beech Grove/I-465 but under the bridge.
Then of course Columbus/Cummins went and put their 2 cents in and had built some architectural marvel.
I love Columbus. But I swear everything in that town is completely over the top compared to what it needs to be.
I realize that is on purpose, Cummins deems it a requirement to attract talent.
There are legitimate structural reasons to build the arch bridge there... the interchange configuration requires longer bridges than if it were just a standard overpass. It could have been built with standard beams and girders, but those would have to raise the profile of I-65 to get enough clearance underneath. Instead, they just held up the whole thing with the arch. The fact that it looks nice may have factored into the decision to go that route, but I doubt it would be there if there weren't other good reasons to build it that way.
That said, it's a shame they didn't design it with enough space for a third lane on I-65. Unless they can replace the arch to leave enough room (and strength) for widening on the inside?
Its apparent you don't know how Columbus is... one only need look down the road but a mile to find a cable stayed bridge over a tiny river....
https://dailyjournal.net/2023/06/21/work-in-i-65-bridge-at-s-r-46-nears-end-new-signal-planned-nearby/
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/eihd/columbus.cfm
https://www.aisc.org/globalassets/modern-steel/archives/1998/09/1998v09_columbus_gateway.pdf
Its a one off custom project from 1998 with the primary goal of being a welcoming landmark that looks good. Because it's Columbus.. There were cheaper ways to do that. But the locals got a special grant to do that and INDOT just said okay, as long as they are paying for it.
Ether way, it's going to be an obstacle to adding a lane, as they just spent a ton of money fixing that thing.
Quote from: Moose on October 25, 2023, 02:22:09 AM
Its apparent you don't know how Columbus is...
Ya got me there. I've stopped for coffee there in the middle of the night on a road trip, but that's about all the experience I have with the town.
Also don't get me wrong; I love that Columbus was able to find a way to stand out, especially along an INDOT roadway. I was just trying to rationalize the decision that was made to build the arched overpass in the first place; the grant makes it make more sense.
Columbus = good architecture.
Quote from: Moose on October 25, 2023, 02:22:09 AM
Ether way, it's going to be an obstacle to adding a lane, as they just spent a ton of money fixing that thing.
Looks like three lanes could be squeezed onto the existing bridge, although without shoulders. (https://maps.app.goo.gl/3f9QbdGvCN6pqK5M8)
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 25, 2023, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: Moose on October 25, 2023, 02:22:09 AM
Ether way, it's going to be an obstacle to adding a lane, as they just spent a ton of money fixing that thing.
Looks like three lanes could be squeezed onto the existing bridge, although without shoulders. (https://maps.app.goo.gl/3f9QbdGvCN6pqK5M8)
That would require a Level 1 Design Exception with the Feds, those aren't fun to do, they would likely not allow it.
^ Considering the number of interstate bridges with narrow or nonexistent shoulders out there (some which are not all that old), and depending how difficult Columbus wants to be, I could see that one being allowed.
AADTs in the area are around 40,000 vehicles per day on I-65; that's a busy 4-lane Interstate, but manageable. InDOT could get away with a SBD lane drop and NBD lane addition on I-65 at IN-46 if and when they bring the 6-lane section that far south. AADTs continue to drop south of Columbus, so there's no pressing need to widen this overpass.
Barring an unexpectedly large increase in traffic on I-65 in the next 20 years, this overpass will likely be adequate until its age dictates replacement.
Quote from: Rothman on October 25, 2023, 09:59:12 PM
Columbus = good architecture.
Columbus (because of Cummins) wants to be on the forefront of modern architectural design.
Most of that is buildings, but it extends to road infrastructure.
I will limit my further comments to the road infrastructure part, but the I-65 into town on IN-46 is seen to be the "Chance to make a great first impression" Hence the absolutely over the top cable stay bridges. Its a good thing for making good first impression. but it's a terribly expensive and over the top way of making a highway into town.
Like making IN-46 limited access near the river...
https://www.cmtengr.com/project/sr-46-and-sr-11-interchange/
Cummins is part of the driving force. They have thier fingers in everything that goes on in that town.
"INDOT, City of Columbus, L&I Railroad, and Cummins joined forces to have an interchange constructed. This project eliminates delays and greatly improves safety. The ramp junction with SR 11 also implements a Green-T intersection, a first of its kind in Indiana. "
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 26, 2023, 10:08:28 PM
^ Considering the number of interstate bridges with narrow or nonexistent shoulders out there (some which are not all that old), and depending how difficult Columbus wants to be, I could see that one being allowed.
I don't know of any INDOT bridges that have shoulder drop offs on interstate highways, hence I think the issues will come from them. INDOT will want consistency.
Quote from: JREwing78 on October 27, 2023, 12:17:54 AM
AADTs in the area are around 40,000 vehicles per day on I-65; that's a busy 4-lane Interstate, but manageable. InDOT could get away with a SBD lane drop and NBD lane addition on I-65 at IN-46 if and when they bring the 6-lane section that far south. AADTs continue to drop south of Columbus, so there's no pressing need to widen this overpass.
Barring an unexpectedly large increase in traffic on I-65 in the next 20 years, this overpass will likely be adequate until its age dictates replacement.
In the same way, INDOT will want a consistent 6 lane corridor. If anything, having the right lane exit off will just cause more issues with trucks merging at the last minute.
The northbound lanes are now open between US 52 and SR 47. They weren't open last weekend when I drove through.
Here's a link to the traffic cameras (https://511in.org/@-86.51543,40.13748,12?show=incidents,normalCameras,stationsAlert,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/179/678610878)