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Non-freeway toll roads (other than tunnels/bridges)

Started by A.J. Bertin, April 29, 2013, 12:40:05 PM

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Quote from: briantroutman on April 29, 2013, 12:51:22 PM
This isn't exactly current, but the West Virginia Turnpike was largely two lanes from the '50s all the way up through the '80s I believe there were still some two-lane sections (not counting the Memorial Tunnel) until about 1987.

More recently than that the Daniel Boone Parkway and half of the Mountain Parkway in Kentucky.



NE2

Quote from: lordsutch on May 01, 2013, 03:36:39 AM
The then-"Bee Line" FL 528 was originally a super 2 freeway toll road east of Orlando.
False: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071773/00012/8x?vo=32&vp=327,3269

(Not that a two-lane freeway fits the topic anyway...)
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Quote from: NE2 on May 01, 2013, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: lordsutch on May 01, 2013, 03:36:39 AM
The then-"Bee Line" FL 528 was originally a super 2 freeway toll road east of Orlando.
False: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071773/00012/8x?vo=32&vp=327,3269

(Not that a two-lane freeway fits the topic anyway...)

The Beeline was not, but FL-407 (the spur off the Beeline) is a super-2, IIRC.  I don't know if it was ever toll though.
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bugo

Quote from: Brandon on April 29, 2013, 12:51:55 PM
The Chickasaw Turnpike in Oklahoma is toll, two lanes, and has full control of access. 

Nope.  It has at grades: http://goo.gl/maps/kmFw8

NE2

Quote from: bugo on May 01, 2013, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: Brandon on April 29, 2013, 12:51:55 PM
The Chickasaw Turnpike in Oklahoma is toll, two lanes, and has full control of access. 

Nope.  It has at grades: http://goo.gl/maps/kmFw8

That part's not a toll road.
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US 41

Quote from: J N Winkler on April 29, 2013, 12:46:58 PM
Without getting into foreign examples such as Mexican toll roads (which frequently do not have full control of access), there are toll bridges such as the SR 370 (Nebraska-Iowa) toll bridge across the Missouri River at Bellevue.

Darn, I was going to use some Mexican toll roads as my example.
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ChezeHed81

Osceola Parkway in Kissimmee, Florida, (http://goo.gl/maps/nXmZW) is a county-maintained arterial with a tolled section across Shingle Creek and its associated wetlands.  I've used it occasionally to avoid Friday evening rush hour along US-192.  It functions as a tolled roadway with a bridge rather than a toll bridge, and either end of that section uses at-grade intersections (west side has evidence of proposed at-grade development).  Interestingly, the Osceola Parkway's website calls the road a controlled access facility, but there are only two interchanges outside of Disney property where Osceola Parkway is the primary route.

StogieGuy7

There is a short segment of non-freeway toll road in northern Utah, known as the Adams Avenue Parkway, which connects the city of South Ogden with I-84.  The extension of a former surface street down into a rather steep canyon apparently cost more money than state or municipal authorities were willing to pay for, hence it is paid for with a toll - paid in person at a toll booth which looks a lot like a tradional toll house! 

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=South+Ogden,+UT&hl=en&ll=41.156302,-111.972273&spn=0.002051,0.002401&sll=43.057891,-87.96743&sspn=0.360226,0.614548&hnear=South+Ogden,+Weber,+Utah&t=h&z=19

By the way, Latin America is filled with non-freeway toll roads.  They're especially popular in Brazil, though the Pan American Highway in Costa Rica (between San Ramon and Alajuela) qualifies as well.

realjd

Quote from: NE2 on April 29, 2013, 01:14:00 PM
Most examples above are park entrance fees (or two-lane freeways). 17 Mile Drive is an interesting case, since it's basically a gated community that you can pay to enter.

Many others are technically bridges, with approaches that are untolled for local traffic, but aren't obviously bridges to the layman. For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adams_Avenue_Parkway - over the Weber River
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osceola_Parkway - over Shingle Creek (plus ramp tolls at SR 535)

One that has no bridges except over a freeway at the south end: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldenrod_Road_Extension

The latter two charge no tolls for bikes. The Goldenrod Extension is a city-designated bike route and has bike bypass lanes to the right of the toll booth.

What about Disney? They call the payment stations at the parking lots "toll booths". At what point does FDOT/RCID maintenance end and Walt Disney maintenance begin?

I remember having to pay to drive up Mount Washington in NH. I don't remember if that was a public or private road.

NE2

Quote from: realjd on May 01, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
What about Disney? They call the payment stations at the parking lots "toll booths".
Those are parking fees. You don't have to pay if you're dropping someone off, or going to a hotel or the Car Care Center (at the Magic Kingdom, these are past the booth).

Quote from: realjd on May 01, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
At what point does FDOT/RCID maintenance end and Walt Disney maintenance begin?
On World Drive, just north of Epcot Center Drive (before the median U-turn). On Osceola Parkway, at Reedy Creek.
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I recall the Osceola Parkway around Orlando, FL not being up to freeway standards, but having a toll plaza.

DeaconG

Quote from: Brandon on May 01, 2013, 10:10:31 AM
Quote from: NE2 on May 01, 2013, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: lordsutch on May 01, 2013, 03:36:39 AM
The then-"Bee Line" FL 528 was originally a super 2 freeway toll road east of Orlando.
False: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071773/00012/8x?vo=32&vp=327,3269

(Not that a two-lane freeway fits the topic anyway...)

The Beeline was not, but FL-407 (the spur off the Beeline) is a super-2, IIRC.  I don't know if it was ever toll though.

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NE2

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Beeper1

Quote from: realjd on May 01, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
I remember having to pay to drive up Mount Washington in NH. I don't remember if that was a public or private road.

Mt. Washington Auto Road is a private road.  As is the Mt. Equinox auto road and Mt. mansfield summit roads in Vermont.  Other mountain roads are technically public as part of state parks and charge a park fee to drive on them, such as Mt. Battie in Maine, Miller State Park in NH, and Prospect and Whiteface Mtns in the Adirondacks.

roadman65

Is Skyline Drive in Virginia considered a toll road being you MUST pay a fee at all entry points?  Now I know that it is considered a park fee for the Shenandoah National Park and the whole 105 miles of it are within the park boundaries and both it and the park are both maintained by the National Park Service, however both US 33 and US 211 are free and both of these routes do indeed enter the SNP.

I say that it is a park fee, but also the fact that all four entry points of the road require a toll to be paid, , it acts as a toll road except that you can exit and re-enter at the scenic drive without paying another fee if done within the same calendar day.
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kphoger

The Camino Colombia Toll Road (Texas state highway 255) is not a freeway.  Half of it is two lanes, and it has several crossroads.
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Quote from: US 41 on May 01, 2013, 01:19:42 PM
Darn, I was going to use some Mexican toll roads as my example.

The only Mexican toll road I have ever driven on is Federal Highway 1D, between Tijuana, Baja California and Ensenada.   

If I recall correctly, it was built with full access control.  It has some spectacular views of the Pacific Ocean.

I also remember that the toll barriers accepted U.S. currency, and if this GSV image is correct, they still do.
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Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 15, 2013, 11:23:58 AM
If I recall correctly, it was built with full access control.
correct

QuoteI also remember that the toll barriers accepted U.S. currency, and if this GSV image is correct, they still do.
also correct.  US tourists are definitely a target demographic.
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