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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #100 on: January 01, 2022, 09:53:58 PM »

Going to miss driving over this bridge when it gets replaced in a few months (the bridge will still be open during construction of the new one). It's fun going over it!

Before this bridge was built, traffic used to be on a dirt road where they had to stop and look for a train.

The road prior to this 1938 bridge (then-US 264) was paved by 1926.
So, it makes me wonder if they used railroad gates or just stop and look crossing during that time...
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #101 on: January 02, 2022, 10:11:05 PM »

Going to miss driving over this bridge when it gets replaced in a few months (the bridge will still be open during construction of the new one). It's fun going over it!

Before this bridge was built, traffic used to be on a dirt road where they had to stop and look for a train.

The road prior to this 1938 bridge (then-US 264) was paved by 1926.

You can still see the old route on the aerial view.  Plus a piece of it is still in use to the northwest of this overpass (ironically, the old road is called Overpass Lane).

So, it makes me wonder if they used railroad gates or just stop and look crossing during that time...

Prior to the 1960s, most crossings in the South only needed crossbucks (R15-1 = stop/look/listen rule) except when the crossing was too close to a railyard or industrial spur.  Railroad operating rules require that the crossing be flagged by the crew in those situations.  Quite frankly, those train crews were plenty sufficient to flag the crossing (often comprised of five or more railroaders riding the train).  I suspect that the reason for a grade separation was that there had been a busy agricultural siding in Grimesland where trains frequently blocked US-264.  There's still a switch with a short section of siding track heading back towards this bridge, closer into town.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #102 on: January 03, 2022, 01:48:19 AM »

Another one for US-17 in Chocowinity can be seen here.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #103 on: January 21, 2022, 07:55:59 PM »

Going to miss driving over this bridge when it gets replaced in a few months (the bridge will still be open during construction of the new one). It's fun going over it!

Before this bridge was built, traffic used to be on a dirt road where they had to stop and look for a train.

The road prior to this 1938 bridge (then-US 264) was paved by 1926.

You can still see the old route on the aerial view.  Plus a piece of it is still in use to the northwest of this overpass (ironically, the old road is called Overpass Lane).

So, it makes me wonder if they used railroad gates or just stop and look crossing during that time...

Prior to the 1960s, most crossings in the South only needed crossbucks (R15-1 = stop/look/listen rule) except when the crossing was too close to a railyard or industrial spur.  Railroad operating rules require that the crossing be flagged by the crew in those situations.  Quite frankly, those train crews were plenty sufficient to flag the crossing (often comprised of five or more railroaders riding the train).  I suspect that the reason for a grade separation was that there had been a busy agricultural siding in Grimesland where trains frequently blocked US-264.  There's still a switch with a short section of siding track heading back towards this bridge, closer into town.
Also, when looking at it again, wasn't Grimes Farm Road the original alignment? They left it there for neighborhood access. It has public at-grade crossings.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #104 on: January 21, 2022, 08:26:13 PM »

Also, when looking at it again, wasn't Grimes Farm Road the original alignment? They left it there for neighborhood access. It has public at-grade crossings.

Yes...1936 Pitt County map shows US 264 using it, while 1938 Pitt County map shows US 264 on new alignment.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #105 on: February 09, 2022, 03:48:05 PM »

SW bypass has the Dec 2021 imagery, now this is the unique bridges for highways that I'm talking about.

https://goo.gl/maps/Hd5ZaKNX9bqddDre6
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #106 on: February 23, 2022, 01:16:21 AM »

Is this a temporary bridge? It was replaced because the old old probably was damaged or it collapsed or it was in really bad condition. But this is a really ugly bridge I have to say.

https://goo.gl/maps/613KABSpWSwWCgn69
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2022, 12:04:23 PM »

Is this a temporary bridge? It was replaced because the old old probably was damaged or it collapsed or it was in really bad condition. But this is a really ugly bridge I have to say.

https://goo.gl/maps/613KABSpWSwWCgn69

You may be correct in your suspicion.  That was one of several bridges along I-95 that were replaced due to low clearance, requiring some truckers to use alternate routes.  Unless there are plans to add the extra lanes in the median (one lane in each direction), the SR-1726 bridge over I-95 will need to replaced and reconfigured to permit widening to 6 lanes.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2022, 12:09:49 PM »

Is this a temporary bridge? It was replaced because the old old probably was damaged or it collapsed or it was in really bad condition. But this is a really ugly bridge I have to say.

https://goo.gl/maps/613KABSpWSwWCgn69

the SR-1726 bridge over I-95 will need to replaced and reconfigured to permit widening to 6 lanes.
I assume you mean 8 lanes. Plans call for widening I-95 south of Fayetteville to I-74 to 8 lanes. It was originally proposed as 6, but given to the growth they bumped it up to 8. The widening in Lumberton was purposely accelerated due to the vulnerability of getting flooded. Hurricanes Matthew and Florence did that.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2022, 12:49:53 PM »

Is this a temporary bridge? It was replaced because the old old probably was damaged or it collapsed or it was in really bad condition. But this is a really ugly bridge I have to say.

https://goo.gl/maps/613KABSpWSwWCgn69

the SR-1726 bridge over I-95 will need to replaced and reconfigured to permit widening to 6 lanes.

I assume you mean 8 lanes. Plans call for widening I-95 south of Fayetteville to I-74 to 8 lanes. It was originally proposed as 6, but given to the growth they bumped it up to 8. The widening in Lumberton was purposely accelerated due to the vulnerability of getting flooded. Hurricanes Matthew and Florence did that.

There you go.  Very few of the overpasses along I-95 will provide room for 8 lanes beneath.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #110 on: February 23, 2022, 05:56:34 PM »

Is this a temporary bridge? It was replaced because the old old probably was damaged or it collapsed or it was in really bad condition. But this is a really ugly bridge I have to say.

https://goo.gl/maps/613KABSpWSwWCgn69

Definitely not temporary…was refurbished to increase clearance in 2009.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #111 on: February 23, 2022, 05:59:36 PM »

Is this a temporary bridge? It was replaced because the old old probably was damaged or it collapsed or it was in really bad condition. But this is a really ugly bridge I have to say.

https://goo.gl/maps/613KABSpWSwWCgn69

Definitely not temporary…was refurbished to increase clearance in 2009.
Well this one was refurbished and raised too and it still looks old.

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https://maps.app.goo.gl/X5MLnR5Z8N9aPLo66
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #112 on: February 23, 2022, 06:44:25 PM »

Is this a temporary bridge? It was replaced because the old old probably was damaged or it collapsed or it was in really bad condition. But this is a really ugly bridge I have to say.

https://goo.gl/maps/613KABSpWSwWCgn69

Definitely not temporary…was refurbished to increase clearance in 2009.
Well this one was refurbished and raised too and it still looks old.

I-40 ALT
https://maps.app.goo.gl/X5MLnR5Z8N9aPLo66

They didn’t use the same method on every bridge but personal observation is that they wanted to use the method in your last post’s link - raise the height with stilts. Sometimes that wasn’t feasible though the 2009 bridge may have been stilted first.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #113 on: February 23, 2022, 07:15:23 PM »

I-40 ALT
https://maps.app.goo.gl/X5MLnR5Z8N9aPLo66

May I ask why you keep posting these as "I-40 Alt"?  I-95 is certainly more important than whatever goofy number Google shows it as.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #114 on: February 23, 2022, 07:18:23 PM »

I-40 ALT
https://maps.app.goo.gl/X5MLnR5Z8N9aPLo66

May I ask why you keep posting these as "I-40 Alt"?  I-95 is certainly more important than whatever goofy number Google shows it as.
Because when I copy and paste from my phone, that's what it shows. Again whoever added that to the map does not know what he/she is doing.
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Re: Old vs new bridges
« Reply #115 on: March 06, 2022, 04:53:07 PM »

So, when bringing a freeway to interstate standards, this plan shows that the bridges that the main freeway bridge over will be replaced. They look fine to me... I don't see why they need to be replaced.

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/us-17-feasibility-study/Documents/us-17-segment-6.pdf



All of the southbound bridges were built in 1976, so they will be pushing 50 years old when they get around to doing construction.

The northbound bridges were built in 1999.  Less sure why they would want to replace those at the outset unless they don't meet interstate standard in some way.
All of them are fine tbh even when they start doing construction. I don't see any reason to replace them

That section can easily be upgraded to interstate standards without having to replace those bridges.

http://bridgereports.com/nc/chowan/
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« Reply #116 on: April 30, 2022, 06:39:53 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/k7J5bbgDXN4L6dRSA
Heres another weird one, near US64 on the Pittsboro bypass
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« Reply #117 on: May 14, 2022, 06:31:41 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/nPRpp5BGAMzFGGDe8
how come these bridges have new parapets albeit old piers?
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« Reply #118 on: May 14, 2022, 07:34:40 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/nPRpp5BGAMzFGGDe8
how come these bridges have new parapets albeit old piers?
It either got a new deck (which comes with a new parapet) or was otherwise rehabbed with a new parapet called for in the contract.
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« Reply #119 on: May 18, 2022, 11:51:50 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/6estLpUFLado9Vic9
This looks like a 1950s bridge, but from 2016.
How come this bridge looks newer, but is got older piers? :hmmm:
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« Reply #120 on: May 18, 2022, 12:15:57 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/6estLpUFLado9Vic9
This looks like a 1950s bridge, but from 2016.
How come this bridge looks newer, but is got older piers? :hmmm:
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« Reply #121 on: May 18, 2022, 12:30:57 PM »

This looks like a 1950s bridge

How so?
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« Reply #122 on: May 18, 2022, 01:45:04 PM »

^^ I think he is referring to the style of bent/pier supports that is still used for bridges over water/wetlands mainly in certain regions.
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« Reply #123 on: May 18, 2022, 07:33:49 PM »

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